DON'T UNBUCKLE YET
I'm told that #Michigan could land a new 2016 commitment as early as tomorrow http://t.co/FFlc03vTYt ($) @SamWebb77 @AllenTrieu @BriceMarich
— Corey Bender (@Corey_Bender) June 7, 2015
Link says that newly offered DE/OLB Terrell Lucas plans to annouce this week, possibly as early as Monday, and they think that Michigan has a strong shot.
Another note in that thread: They mention that a second Floridian would commit on the spot if Michigan offered.
This.
Until we see what happens on the field IDK how anyone sitting behind a keyboard feels they are in position to second guess JH...You've got his experience as a highly successful player and coach at all levels plus he's getting a first hand look at these guys. He can see who can take coaching (develop) and he can talk to them and their coaches. Fk the recruiting services..I'm 100% behind however many stars Harbaugh gives these guys.
Not saying the guys who work for Rivals, Scout, and 247Sports are better talent evaluators than college coaches but on average they tend to be right more than they are wrong. Multiple people have compared recruiting rankings to NFL draft rankings and have shown that 5 stars are more likely to succeed than 4 stars who are more likely to succeed than 3 stars and so on. It's not a sure thing and every fan base loves to think they have the under the radar 3 star who will be a 1st round draft pick but not all 3 star recruits can be that player.
However, there are a lot of players who fall under the 3 star category. You have the guys with great technique who are limited athleticly and they might be solid college players but not NFL players. There are also the great athletes who have poor technique and need to be coached up. The latter seems to be what this staff is after and they are boom or bust types. If they get the technique and game knowledge they have the potential to at least b all B1G type players, or it might never click. It's easier to teach an athlete football than it is to teach athleticism, so I like the players this staff is after.
In a lot of cases I'm sure the staff would prefer the 4& 5 stars who have both the athleticism and the technique, but those are much harder to get and there is a ton more competition which Michigan doesn't measure up to well to the OSUs and Alabamas in the recruiting world right now.
...say that he doesn't perceive himself as a talent evaluator. He has his ear to the ground. He has contacts. People talk to him. But he would say that he doesn't rank players or attempt to project them. He takes the word of others and tempers it with his own judgments. That's not to say, like me or you or anyone on this board, that he doesn't look at some tape and form an opinion. It does mean that his opinions are primarily derivative.
Evaluating talent is hard as hell. The variables are just so broad and hard to parse. Even in the NBA and NFL drafts, where resources are massive, data extant, and the level of competition more static, judgments are really hard to make. In MLB, where the data accrues over varying playing fields and where the kids are at different stages of maturity, randomness becomes more profound. Hence, Oakland (Billy B) prefers colleges as proving grounds, where some of these vagaries are minimized.
Brian Cook tends to be a fan of the star system, since it can be demonstrated that 5 star prospects are more likely to be successful than four star guys and these more than three star players, etc.. The taxonomy we have has merit, even if it is an ordering that contains massive error rates and variation.
I think Brian's point is correct, but tends to assume coaches and scouts are just throwing darts at a board. Any random 5-star "choice" is more likely than not to outperform any random choice of 4 stars. But we all want our coach/evaluators to be better than random. D'Antonio, Mr. Happy, has proven that he and his staff can find kids who work in his system, regardless of what the Services think. Same, of course, for John Beilien. But even the best at projecting talent will miss. Think JJ Watt, as one example of hundreds. And Hoke proved that you can be worse than random, or just plain unlucky, with some highly regarded kids. I buy into the notion of Harbaugh's competence and creativity and intelligence. I don't buy into the idea that Hoke was a rube. I think he was both unexceptional and unlucky. [OTOH, one of his coaches, off the record, told me he thought the Ringer kid would be a big star here. Well, anyone can make a mistake, but damn he was confident about it. But, rethinking, not sure what the isuue was with him. Injuries? Jake Ryan wasn't much of a prospect. Same for Desmond Morgan. Mike D'Andrea was. So, too, Ryan's running mate in HS. I think these two OSU guys just got hurt, and never really came back. We may be facing the same thing with Drake Harris, alas.]
So, we may have some tea leaves or lodestones. I have tried, very hard, to not publicize my writings, either by lobbying Brian or Sam, since I feel they should have complete control of their own forums. But I spent a lot of space on the topic in The Search for the Unified Field Theory (Football Version)---my apologies to my host--should anyone be interested.
Craig
I do shit lightning. The doctors can't figure out why, but I go through Preparation H like Charlie Weis goes through lap band surgeries.
Says they guy from Washington. Maybe your career could have used a little boost of Southern Rock Power.
Yes, we should not assume that they are just "settling" in June and not really getting the guys they want.
As a fan, I'll admit that it's not what I'm used to. I'm thinking that we have to compete with guys like Urban Meyer that get 4/5-star talent and can develop it. How are we going to compete with that with only 2/3/4 star talent, even if we can develop them?
But then I have to stop myself and realize that these are not 2/3-star guys in Harbaugh's eyes. These are guys he wants, not guys he thinks he has to settle for.
In any case, whatever we have been doing for the last seven years has not been working, so I'm at peace trying something else.
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Plus he's now actually seen him in an instructional setting and has a good indication of how coachable he is.
That has to be a more useful team building tool than chasing stars.
Derrick Green - 5 star
Drake Johnson - 3 star
Enough said about stars. It doesnt always work out like the rankings say.
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But you are moving your goal posts...The last set of rating are what count...not the first, middle or semi-last. That is why early rated studs like Ricardo Miller failed to turn out. Why don't you freak out on signing day, vs. now. Alot of guys fall way back while alot of guys leap forward. We might be stocking with the later or just lowly recruited 2 star guys. Plus this team has known stud recruiters on deck (Durkin, Mattison, Wheatley...); they know what there doing
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For the past 5-years. Most of their guys have been 3 starts and I think they´ve been doing quite well, specially on defense.
Cause and effect.
Culturally, Virginia is very divided - as can be seen in elections. Rural areas are really not any different than neighboring NC and TN, while suburban areas are very New England like.
Virginia parties like the south, but plays football like New England. Just about every state in Dixie, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylavania, and California have tougher talent. They are kind of like Michigan in that they produce a few gems every year or so, but otherwise it's not a talent hotbed you would want to serve as the base for your team.
I agree that Virginia isn't, like, the most talented state around. But the Tidewater area produces a lot of talent, and so does the populated area in northern Virginia outside of D.C. I know Virginia has done a good job of locking down some of those prospects from southeast Virginia, and lots of other schools dip into the area for talent (North Carolina, FSU, etc.).
http://247sports.com/Player/Josh-Metellus-83369
Random 2-star out of Florida just got a crystal ball to Michigan. In my years of following Michigan crootin', I don't think I've ever seen guys with 0-2 stars get attention from Michigan.
Don't worry, it's self-solving. The second they commit to Harbaugh and Michigan, they will no longer be 2-stars.
I understand that. But do you recall Michigan recruiting kids of this caliber, ever? It just seems odd to me.
tl;dr trust harbaugh
remember Novack or Douglas? For football, do you remember Channing Stribling? It happens
but you haven't been.
Drake Johnson was a 2* to two services when he committed in Nov., 0* to the others.
Jake Ryan was a low 3* to one, a 2* and 0* to the others. That was close to LOI day.
Channing Stribling had 5* in total from 4 services. Same with Brandon Watson, both camp commits.
Drew Dileo was unranked.
There have been others. I'll bet that by the time signing day rolls around none of these commits will be 2*.
247 lists almost every commit as a hard commit, it doesn't mean anything more than commit. Even Tony Butler who everyone thinks is either Michigan or OSU bound is listed as a hard commit to Pitt.
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You havent seen many winners either
Frank Clark and Jake Ryan, the two best players on Michigan's defense the last few years, were both 3 stars.
While it's true that MSU has kicked our ass with low star guys too, they also had the benfit of Michigan being in its worst stretch since the 1960s. This gave them time to coach up those low star guys to a level in which they played much better than their star rating. I'm sure Harbaugh can do this as well, but he doesn't have that luxury. In fact he's going into one of the strongest big tens in recent memory. I hope that Harbaugh and Michigan beat OSU and MSU's asses from the get go, but its not going to be that easy. Just temper your expectations a little bit and give him time to work his magic.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Richard-Sherman…
https://rivals.yahoo.com/stanford/football/recruiting/player-David-DeCa…
https://rivals.yahoo.com/stanford/football/recruiting/player-Doug-Baldw…
https://rivals.yahoo.com/stanford/football/recruiting/player-Coby-Fleen…
And some more. But you get the point.
who are tough and smart. . . he'll take care of the rest.