Desmond Howard says we might defend against Duggan runs with a "mosh rush"
Desmond mentioned that we might defend with "a spy or... a mosh rush". I know what a spy is but have not heard of "mosh rush" before. I spent many seconds googling the term but the only relevant thing I found was the article quoting Desmond saying it - linked. Anyone?
December 25th, 2022 at 3:53 PM ^
I'm not sure how doing that is going to work.
December 25th, 2022 at 4:51 PM ^
Dick Dastardly,
I think that’s skanking?
back in the 90’s I crowd surfed a few times to the stage. Young people, is that still something done at shows?
December 25th, 2022 at 5:10 PM ^
Not correct my friend. The girl and guy in the bakground are doing what is called a two step. Most likely to a groove based section of a hardcore song. A breakdown and hardcore dancing is likely to follow in short order.
The kids without enough rhythm for a good two step are planning out their spin kicks and crab punches.
Guy that enters from the right for just a moment with a hand bandage does however look to be doing a more skank based two step.
December 26th, 2022 at 8:44 AM ^
That's actual 'dancing'? WTF... I'm too old for this shit. (Says the guy with less than zero rhythm...)
December 26th, 2022 at 9:54 AM ^
That gif screams 2004 to me
December 25th, 2022 at 5:53 PM ^
Skanking, I'll have you know, comes from reggae. I was taught how to skank in 1974 in Kingston. I've always thought it entered Britain and the U.S. via the ska/two tone movement, with bands like The Specials, who also played punk.
And--I suspect a lot of people know--a mosh pit was the place in front of the stage where people danced like fucking hell and you knew if you joined in you had to give it your all, in punk music starting ca. 1975. East Quad. Big fun.
December 25th, 2022 at 8:01 PM ^
I've done some skanking in my day
December 26th, 2022 at 8:39 AM ^
Side note: i think lead singer of The Specials just passed away.
December 26th, 2022 at 2:00 PM ^
RIP Terry Hall joining Ranking Roger of the English Beat in the great ska heavens. Anyone fortunate enough to see The Beat or SLK back at The Second Chance? Those were some great on stage performances!
December 25th, 2022 at 5:56 PM ^
Hardcore dancing is not moshing.
Though random aside to anyone going to a metal/hardcore show. The edge of any pit is the best place to be so long as you're not small. Not nearly as hot as anywhere else in the general crowd and you get to shove anyone that runs into you lol
December 25th, 2022 at 6:20 PM ^
Hell of a way to get to the front too. In my younger days I'd seek mosh pits out from the back of the floor area. Stand at the back of the pit for a few minites, wait until everyone inevitably got tired and then sprint across. Depending on the size of the pit you can make 20 or 30 rows of people up sometimes. Depending on the size of the venue you can find yourself 10 rows from the gate in 2-4 pits.
December 25th, 2022 at 7:31 PM ^
Ah yes very good point! As I Lay Dying would always have massive circle pits in the middle of their shows and you could legitimately go from the back of the crowd to the front in as long as it takes you to run half the circle.
December 25th, 2022 at 9:59 PM ^
The one show I remember the most was a gig I showed a bunch of newbie friends this trick. It was called BFD in BFE on some farm outside Ft. Wayne, Indiana. Mushroomhead and then Sevendust were both badass times.
December 26th, 2022 at 10:44 AM ^
I resemble that remark.
December 26th, 2022 at 10:53 AM ^
Was always more of the arms folded head nodding type who watched the band play on the floor a few feet away
December 26th, 2022 at 11:46 AM ^
Definitely . On the edge was fun for me. Can watch the pit. People will run into you and you can push them back into it. Fun way to be involved without taking an elbow to the face.
December 27th, 2022 at 4:04 PM ^
As long as you can pay attention to the crowd killers. I don’t know how big that is anymore but you used to have to keep a look out.
December 25th, 2022 at 10:52 PM ^
Holy fuck white people can't dance
December 26th, 2022 at 12:59 AM ^
Clearly dancing to Polyethnic Cajun Slamgrass.
December 26th, 2022 at 11:13 AM ^
We did numerous sorts of choreographed dances in the MMB in the 80s. (I'm not sure the extent to which that has continued.) A group of us were walking to a party one evening. I was with a fellow trombone player and several sticks (clarinet players). One female clarinet player said, "I love watching the trombones dance. It's so funny!"
Since MMB, I danced with my daughter at her wedding, and that's been it. Avoiding the dance floor is one of those small ways in which I contribute to the human condition.
December 26th, 2022 at 3:53 PM ^
...cut. my. life. into pieces...
December 25th, 2022 at 3:53 PM ^
It's the pits.
December 25th, 2022 at 3:54 PM ^
Seth has talked about it before I believe--though as a 'mush' instead of a 'mosh' rush. I believe it entails pass rushing but going maybe 50% of the way and keeping contain so the QB feels pressure but can't dodge a rusher and escape the pocket.
December 25th, 2022 at 4:23 PM ^
If seems if the QB figures that out there it is the equivalent of no rush at all, right?
December 25th, 2022 at 4:30 PM ^
I'm no Xs & Os expert, but I imagine you could keep contain with the DL (& LBs?) and still manage a few blitzes from the secondary (& LBs?)
I'd think the idea would be to avoid somebody like Okie flying in and losing contain in pursuit of glory.
Edit: typos
December 25th, 2022 at 5:22 PM ^
You still try to advance on the QB, you just don't sprint. Imagine moving forward while in something like a basketball defending stance. It's a lot slower than running at him, but it it keeps him contained and it does lead to pressure eventually.
December 25th, 2022 at 6:08 PM ^
No, because after a few seconds either O linemen or D linemen start to bump into him and he has to get rid of the ball and can't scramble. At least that's the point of the mush rush:
1. Make the QB get rid of it early and short-ish (require lots of positive plays in order to score)
2. Make the QB inaccurate if he gets rid of it late because of the proximity to bodies (generate interceptions)
3. Don't allow the QB to scramble late in the play (minimize broken play miracles)
So, if they're achieving those three things, I would agree with Desmond, that is a great way to contain TCU's offense.
December 25th, 2022 at 4:44 PM ^
It's essentially what we did against PSU, no? DEs keep contain while the interior guys are the main guys rushing the QB
December 25th, 2022 at 5:55 PM ^
I think it's what we've been doing all season. There may not be a dominant guy who hammers through and gets the QB, but a whole lineful of pressure that creates a wall that the QB can't elude. If pass coverage is good. . .
December 25th, 2022 at 6:44 PM ^
They also get coached to keep the hands up on this type of rush as you'll get a lot more deflections than usual given that the interior DL often ends up in "no man's land" between where they'd generally push the pocket and the LB's.
LB's will probably play a yard or 2 further back as well. Dangerman becomes the TE and slots getting a bit further downfield than usual, and giving up 3-5 yard runs on what would be 1-3 yard runs.
December 25th, 2022 at 7:55 PM ^
Surround and contain like they used to do to Denard Robinson
December 25th, 2022 at 10:19 PM ^
It's "mush," yes. It's basically the entire DL, but especially the interior guys, pushing forward to create a shallower but more consistent rush; it's the alternative to the trendier rush style, in which two ends bend and "athlete" their way toward the QB. It's basically M optimizing its DL, which is strong on the interior and weaker on the edges (especially compared to last year's).
December 26th, 2022 at 8:49 AM ^
So it's a fancy name for the boa constrictor method of DL rush that we've used most of the year. I'm good with drowning this ferret with a swimming boa (wouldn't that be an anaconda?)...
December 26th, 2022 at 11:29 AM ^
Yeah, but can you say "Craig Ross mush mosh rush" three times fast?
December 25th, 2022 at 4:00 PM ^
Mosh Rush with Dougie One-Nut?
December 25th, 2022 at 4:04 PM ^
yer godamn right
it all started when we took over the Jump Around at Wisconsin
now we have a full on heavy metal attack defense with a hip hop offense
December 25th, 2022 at 4:36 PM ^
My favorite manifestation of the hip hop offense:
December 25th, 2022 at 5:51 PM ^
This is so good. I think I’ll watch a few more times 😁
December 25th, 2022 at 6:24 PM ^
My favorite element is the combination of a dreadful pass and Schoon waiting on the throw. The play so baffled OSU that Schoon was 10+ yards open so Mullings could just toss in the general direction. It sent the messaging of toying with Knowles’ defense and put a little more swagger into the offense. They knew OSU was toast.
December 25th, 2022 at 7:12 PM ^
Accidental post 🤦♂️
December 25th, 2022 at 11:39 PM ^
“There are no accidents.”
December 25th, 2022 at 4:30 PM ^
Did he say mosh rush? (not a real thing)
or MUSH rush? (which is when you rush at 80% so you have 4 guys in their rush lanes to get, or at least spy the QB).
December 25th, 2022 at 4:35 PM ^
He may have said "mush"; the transcript of his comments used "mosh".
December 26th, 2022 at 11:12 AM ^
I served in the Army with a Mushrush..... we just called him Mush and he wasn't ever in a hurry, the rush part of his name was pretty much an oxymoron.
December 25th, 2022 at 4:35 PM ^
swarm tackling...
December 25th, 2022 at 4:40 PM ^
Devin Gardner talked about it on MMQB with Sam. I think mostly it was the Maryland game in reference to how we played Tualia. It has been mentioned a few times on MMQB if you want to search YouTube for that.
December 25th, 2022 at 7:37 PM ^
Seth loves talking about how we defended Tualia.
December 25th, 2022 at 5:03 PM ^
It may be partly the bottle of Argentinian Malbec I have mostly consumed by myself, but my thought on this and all topics related to TCU are …
I BELIEVE.
Btw anyone notice that its easy on a. iphone to typo “TCU” to TacO”? Again, bottle of Malbec. Largely on my own.
December 25th, 2022 at 5:18 PM ^
So if im understanding correctly, you’ve consumed most of a bottle of Argentinian Malbec wine. By yourself?