Desmond Howard says we might defend against Duggan runs with a "mosh rush"

Submitted by Bighou on December 25th, 2022 at 3:43 PM

Desmond mentioned that we might defend with "a spy or... a mosh rush". I know what a spy is but have not heard of "mosh rush" before. I spent many seconds googling the term but the only relevant thing I found was the article quoting Desmond saying it - linked. Anyone?

https://wolverineswire.usatoday.com/lists/exclusive-desmond-howard-breaks-down-michigan-football-vs-tcu/

Minus The Houma

December 25th, 2022 at 5:10 PM ^

Not correct my friend. The girl and guy in the bakground are doing what is called a two step. Most likely to a groove based section of a hardcore song. A breakdown and hardcore dancing is likely to follow in short order.

The kids without enough rhythm for a good two step are planning out their spin kicks and crab punches. 
 

Guy that enters from the right for just a moment with a hand bandage does however look to be doing a more skank based two step. 

MGlobules

December 25th, 2022 at 5:53 PM ^

Skanking, I'll have you know, comes from reggae. I was taught how to skank in 1974 in Kingston. I've always thought it entered Britain and the U.S. via the ska/two tone movement, with bands like The Specials, who also played punk. 

And--I suspect a lot of people know--a mosh pit was the place in front of the stage where people danced like fucking hell and you knew if you joined in you had to give it your all, in punk music starting ca. 1975. East Quad. Big fun. 

Twitch

December 25th, 2022 at 6:20 PM ^

Hell of a way to get to the front too.  In my younger days I'd seek mosh pits out from the back of the floor area.  Stand at the back of the pit for a few minites, wait until everyone inevitably got tired and then sprint across.  Depending on the size of the pit you can make 20 or 30 rows of people up sometimes.  Depending on the size of the venue you can find yourself 10 rows from the gate in 2-4 pits.

MMBbones

December 26th, 2022 at 11:13 AM ^

We did numerous sorts of choreographed dances in the MMB in the 80s. (I'm not sure the extent to which that has continued.) A group of us were walking to a party one evening. I was with a fellow trombone player and several sticks (clarinet players). One female clarinet player said, "I love watching the trombones dance. It's so funny!"

Since MMB, I danced with my daughter at her wedding, and that's been it. Avoiding the dance floor is one of those small ways in which I contribute to the human condition. 

thelomasbrowns

December 25th, 2022 at 3:54 PM ^

Seth has talked about it before I believe--though as a 'mush' instead of a 'mosh' rush. I believe it entails pass rushing but going maybe 50% of the way and keeping contain so the QB feels pressure but can't dodge a rusher and escape the pocket.

brad

December 25th, 2022 at 6:08 PM ^

No, because after a few seconds either O linemen or D linemen start to bump into him and he has to get rid of the ball and can't scramble.  At least that's the point of the mush rush:

1. Make the QB get rid of it early and short-ish (require lots of positive plays in order to score)

2. Make the QB inaccurate if he gets rid of it late because of the proximity to bodies (generate interceptions)

3. Don't allow the QB to scramble late in the play (minimize broken play miracles)

So, if they're achieving those three things, I would agree with Desmond, that is a great way to contain TCU's offense.

Bo Harbaugh

December 25th, 2022 at 6:44 PM ^

They also get coached to keep the hands up on this type of rush as you'll get a lot more deflections than usual given that the interior DL often ends up in "no man's land" between where they'd  generally push the pocket and the LB's. 

LB's will probably play a yard or 2 further back as well.  Dangerman becomes the TE and slots getting a bit further downfield than usual, and giving up 3-5 yard runs on what would be 1-3 yard runs.

mackbru

December 25th, 2022 at 10:19 PM ^

It's "mush," yes. It's basically the entire DL, but especially the interior guys, pushing forward to create a shallower but more consistent rush; it's the alternative to the trendier rush style, in which two ends bend and "athlete" their way toward the QB. It's basically M optimizing its DL, which is strong on the interior and weaker on the edges (especially compared to last year's).

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

December 25th, 2022 at 6:24 PM ^

My favorite element is the combination of a dreadful pass and Schoon waiting on the throw.  The play so baffled OSU that Schoon was 10+ yards open so Mullings could just toss in the general direction. It sent the messaging of toying with Knowles’ defense and put a little more swagger into the offense.  They knew OSU was toast.

MaizeBlueA2

December 25th, 2022 at 4:30 PM ^

Did he say mosh rush? (not a real thing)

or MUSH rush? (which is when you rush at 80% so you have 4 guys in their rush lanes to get, or at least spy the QB).

Vote_Crisler_1937

December 25th, 2022 at 4:40 PM ^

Devin Gardner talked about it on MMQB with Sam. I think mostly it was the Maryland game in reference to how we played Tualia. It has been mentioned a few times on MMQB if you want to search YouTube for that. 

superstringer

December 25th, 2022 at 5:03 PM ^

It may be partly the bottle of Argentinian Malbec I have mostly consumed by myself, but my thought on this and all topics related to TCU are …

I BELIEVE. 

Btw anyone notice that its easy on a. iphone to typo “TCU” to TacO”? Again, bottle of Malbec. Largely on my own.