Congratulations to SB Champions KC Chiefs and Frank Clark and Chad Henne!

Submitted by Eli on February 2nd, 2020 at 10:02 PM

Loved that Frank got the sack t win it.

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Bluesince89

February 2nd, 2020 at 10:29 PM ^

Yea, I mean who amongst us hasn’t punched a girlfriend in the face and picked her up by the neck and slammed her? Total mistake.  
 

Fuck you and fuck any one defending this piece of shit.  I hope no one you care about ever has to experience that.  

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Gucci Mane

February 3rd, 2020 at 11:56 AM ^

You don’t beat the hell out if any human. I maintain beating up an overmatched man is just as bad as beating up a woman. To say beating up a woman is worse you are implying they are inferior, and need to be taken lightly. 

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WorldwideTJRob

February 3rd, 2020 at 7:50 AM ^

I get it, he made a terrible decision to attack his girlfriend. But when does someone stop and say give the kid credit for turning his life around. People fuck up sometimes, however I’m a believer in what do you do after those situations. From what I’ve seen the guy has been pretty clean since. So don’t try to bash him for his missteps if you can’t recognize the road that he has taken since.

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bacon1431

February 3rd, 2020 at 8:36 AM ^

Do we know what he has done? Is he speaking about violence against women in schools? Is he still beating up women? I’m genuinely curious as I have no idea. The only thing I remember is him harassing a female journalist for bringing up his DV case when Greg Hardy stuff was going on in 2017. So I don’t really have any proof he has changed all that much. 

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LV Sports Bettor

February 3rd, 2020 at 9:47 AM ^

I don't care anymore what anyone I don't personally know does OFF the field/court/ring etc... I have my own problems to worry about and don't have the time or the energy to keep up with these guys off the field.

Don't want anything bad to happen obviously but don't also concern myself with it either. The athletic part of their lives as is where my relationship starts and ends.

On that note also never got into rooting for someone who once used to play for one of "my teams" and no longer does.

Once they are gone i no longer feel any connection to them.

 

 

 

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Phaedrus

February 2nd, 2020 at 11:41 PM ^

He has demonstrated contrition that seems to be genuine and he has not been a repeat offender. People do bad things—sometimes they're pretty terrible. If a person does a terrible thing, shows no remorse, and continues to do that terrible thing, I think it's okay to brand them as a bad person. As far as I know, Frank Clark is a one time offender.

Even if you don't subscribe to some religion that explicitly requires forgiving others and giving them another chance, I think any coherent system of morality would lead one to doing so. If Frank Clark had refused to own up to what he did and demonstrate no remorse, I would totally understand wanting to ostracize him from the Michigan community. I also would have had a problem if we had kept him on the team at that time. But at this point, I'm not ashamed to call him a Michigan man.

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Bluesince89

February 3rd, 2020 at 7:33 AM ^

Home invasion, beating up a woman, and then verbally abusing a young reporter who had the gall to write about his past, including making sexually explicit remarks to her? Yea, no thanks.  Jesus, some people on this blog will excuse any behavior because someone happens to be good at sports and plays for your team. 

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ScooterTooter

February 3rd, 2020 at 7:55 AM ^

Kobe's death has me curious about this, especially with those on the left. 

By the standard set by those on the left in the media, Kobe Bryant was a rapist. Full stop, no questions asked. 

Yet positive story after positive story flowed out after his death, almost all of them by people who would no doubt post a #BelieveAllWomen on their twitter account. 

So does this mean there is a certain point where as an individual who does a terrible thing, you can work your way back into the good graces of society? Or is it just the privilege of wealth? Or the privilege of being on the right side? 

For instance, if Brock Turner (Stanford swimmer who committed sexual assault and is held up by people on the left as the epitome of campus sexual assault and white privilege) spends his life being a model human being, will he be forgiven in the same manner as Kobe Bryant? 

And if you can be forgiven for these things, can you really try and shame people for supporting those either have committed horrible acts or are accused of them? 

Its an interesting topic of discussion. 

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MichiganG

February 3rd, 2020 at 9:33 AM ^

There was an interesting article in the Guardian on the topic:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/feb/01/kobe-bryant-rape-2003-case-how-much-has-changed

A couple observations from it:

His accuser has said she believes the incident changed him dramatically and that he ultimately became a much better person, supporting women's causes, homelessness, etc.  Whether or not you believe it was related to the alleged rape, it's an interesting situation because had the event happened in 2020 instead of 2003, the impact to Kobe would have likely been much more significant and perhaps he wouldn't have had the opportunity to have the same level of positive impact in subsequent years (not that he couldn't have still become a better person; but would his platform to effect change been much smaller)?

All that said, the Frank Clark situation also feels a bit different than Kobe because the level of contrition (and visible efforts to have positive impact) seems to be at least somewhat different.

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Phaedrus

February 3rd, 2020 at 7:48 AM ^

Those are not even comparable situations. In both those cases OSU and MSU were enabling and covering up domestic violence (OSU) and sexual assault (MSU). I don't know what you mean by "same stuff." Frank Clark was never a coach at Michigan so it doesn't make sense to me how you're comparing him to people like Tressel, Meyer, and Izzo.

When Frank Clark got in trouble Hoke promptly kicked him off the team even though he was one of our best players on the field.

I don't know what's hypocritical about being happy for a guy who was once headed down the wrong path but has matured and become a success. What would have been tragic is if he had played for a school like OSU or MSU that would have tried to sweep his off the field problems under the rug—if that were the case he might not have learned and become a better person. Frank Clark had a terrible upbringing. He clearly has impulse control issues and needed moral guidance. Under the guidance of Dantonio or Meyer I wouldn't be surprised if he had become a McDowell or a Hernandez.

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