Commentary: Maybe we don't know what goes into making a good coach?

Submitted by JamesBondHerpesMeds on November 30th, 2020 at 6:29 PM

I appreciated this take from Matt Brown at Extra Points, where he dives into the, ahem, strictures and conventions of picking a qualified football coach

For one, he offers up a balanced historic take on Harbaugh's hiring:

“I genuinely thought Harbaugh was a home-run hire for Michigan. I believe I actually equated it to Alabama getting Nick Saban because the comparison of wandering in the wilderness with failed "next big thing" hires before backing up the Brinks truck to get the one guy everyone said you needed to get from the beginning seemed reasonable at the time…”

Also, in comparison to other apparent "home run hires", for a while, Harbaugh maintained a level of performance better than his counterparts:

That’s true! I mean, Jim Harbaugh was a single Good Spot away from likely making the playoff back in 2016. You can argue that a consistent run of Very Good but not Elite, judged against the resources and expectations at Michigan, is not good enough. But it would be unfair to insinuate that these Michigan teams have struggled at exactly the same clip as Texas or Nebraska.

Hale and Connelly hedged a bit more about Herman and Frost, but both agreed that on paper, they seemed like good hires...

He then jumps into the "opportunity cost" of replacing coaches - and even dives into the question of whether or not a coach can be objectively evaluated on merits alone (the gist: not really):

If wins and losses are ultimately the final metric that determines who gets fired and who gets retained, well, there’s going to be luck involved.

Which then makes the decision making process that ADs and boosters are facing right now particularly challenging, as the costs for making a coaching transition are higher than ever. How much can you value what you see on the field this year? How certain can you be that you’ll make a superior decision if given another chance? Have all possible other remedies been exhausted?

Anyway, it's a fun read - and one that takes a generally academic and unbiased look at the wacky world of college head coach performance. Hope you enjoy.

 

 

UMxWolverines

November 30th, 2020 at 8:44 PM ^

I really hate the fact people have latched onto the idea that "Michigan was inches from the playoffs in 2016". Um, no. They still would have had to win a rematch against Wisconsin. 

Also the problem with running players off/burning bridges would still have happened. We still signed a top five class after that season. We would just be even more screwed at the moment because everyone would be pointing at that one OSU win as to why he should be keeping his job right now. 

wildbackdunesman

November 30th, 2020 at 11:03 PM ^

I think we'd win the rematch against Wisconsin in 2016.

Remember, that game wasn't as close as it should have been.  We missed 3 field goals of 31, 43, and 40 yards.  First downs UofM 21, Wisconsin just 8.  Yards UofM 349, Wisconsin 159.

 

Wisconsin's 4 longest drives of the day?  37 yards (punt), 31 yards (TD), 28 yards (punt) and (18 yards (INT).

UofM's 4 longest drives of the day?  77 yards (TD), 64 yards (missed FG), 64 yards (TD), and 43 yards (missed FG).

BoMo

November 30th, 2020 at 9:21 PM ^

Really seems this is when he lost his intensity. Was it the OSU game?  Was it Peppers sitting out the bowl game? Was it Speight leaving the Iowa game?  Was it losing the satellite camp battle?  Did the Pope tell him to chill the F out when they went to Rome in 2017?

Eagerly awaiting "How Michigan broke Jim MF Harbaugh" from JUB

bo_lives

November 30th, 2020 at 11:21 PM ^

No it didn't. It certainly sucked and potentially cost Michigan a spot in the playoffs, but you're engaging in melancholic revisionist history if you think it has any impact on today. MSU didn't vault into the Pantheon of elite programs when they had their miracle season in 2015. Florida St. fell hard and fast after they actually won the whole thing in 2012. Harbaugh has suffered from preventable mistakes. He still can't figure out the most important position on the field. He has driven away promising coaches and good recruiters. The defense has totally fallen apart because DB and Harbaugh didn't recruit for their own damn defensive scheme.

MadMatt

November 30th, 2020 at 7:05 PM ^

Ding-ding! We don't know jack about who's a good CFB coach. Problem is neither does anyone else. I fall back on the fact Harbaugh is clearly not himself, and has lost the team, perhaps even his assistant coaches too. I worry about his mental health; time to move on.  But, I have exceptionally modest expectations for his successor.

PopeLando

November 30th, 2020 at 7:14 PM ^

Yes, but there has to be context, right? Like, we have to acknowledge just how good OSU has been for 15+ years, right? 

Auburn doesn't say, "win against Bama or we fire you." (Do they? I legit don't know.) It's just that a perennial top-5 team is a tough customer, and telling a coach that he is to take his rebuilding project and routinely beat a top 5 team...that's a long-term goal, not a short term criteria.

And Harbaugh has been really close. He's a bad spot and John O'Korn away from two wins.

Ghost of Fritz…

December 1st, 2020 at 9:51 AM ^

OSU fired Earle Bruce after one 6-4-1 season, a poor record against Michigan, and just one year removed from a 10-3 year.

OSU fired John Cooper after two subpar seasons (6-6 then 8-4), a poor record against Michigan, and two years removed from a 11-1 year.

Short leash.   OSU coach with a sub-.500 record against Michigan is no more than 2 mediocre seasons (not even losing seasons!)  away from being shown the door. 

UMxWolverines

November 30th, 2020 at 8:50 PM ^

You don't think Auburn or any other program doesn't have stipulations of "beat our biggest rival at least some of the time or you're gone"? That's ridiculous...why even play college football with that mentality? 

No one at MSU is keeping their job if they lose 6 in a row to Michigan who gets more talent...I don't understand the difference between us and OSU. 

UMVAFAN

November 30th, 2020 at 7:18 PM ^

What happens if the Legends and Leaders alignment was still in place with Rutgers and Maryland in separate divisions. I think Harbaugh makes it to at least two B1G championship games and maybe even wins one. That would totally change the current narrative. There are some big challenges right now with roster depth, player development, injuries, and scheme on both sides of the ball, but before the 2018 OSU game, the biggest issue was being in the same division as historically strong OSU, PSU, and MSU teams at the same time, particularly OSU. Going against Urban Meyer and the strongest division in football at the time made Harbaugh’s immediate impact in the first four years seem less dramatic than it really was. 

los barcos

November 30th, 2020 at 9:17 PM ^

Meh. If your aunt was your uncle...

Fact is, all those teams you mention won a big ten title since Harbaugh has been here - this whole thing looks different if we even have just one. It’s not too much to ask when our “peers” in the division have done it, but Harbaugh hasn’t. At some point it’s not bad luck, or tough opponents - it’s just that we’re not consistently very good.

Ghost of Fritz…

December 1st, 2020 at 9:39 AM ^

None of that matters. 

What matters is the following:  Is the state of the program (not good) attributable to things about JH that are not going to change?  If the answer is 'yes,' then it is time for a new coach.

An alternative reality where Michigan has an easier schedule/path to the BTCCG would only paper over JH's dysfunction.  But the dysfunction would still be there and the program would be under-performing, even with the easier path.

MGoStrength

November 30th, 2020 at 7:34 PM ^

and even dives into the question of whether or not a coach can be objectively evaluated on merits alone (the gist: not really):

Ultimately it doesn't really matter why JH is failing or how we got here because it's obvious he's lost the team.  Once you get to that point it's almost impossible to get them back.  He came close and there are a lot of "what ifs".  But, it's time to move on and it doesn't matter why and does us no good spending time focusing on it.  What does matter is assessing the next coach and making the next hire.  That is equally difficult.  Clearly there are factors that are outside of a coach's control.  UM also has some cultural issues that make the job more challenging than other places with equal resources.  This makes it difficult to find the right guy.  But, it's time to give it another shot.  Because hiring another coach that doesn't quite meet our expectations will be a lot better than what we're getting now and likely to get from JH if he remains in 2021.  Change can be good even if it's not necessarily better.  Right now getting player buy-in back and effort and enthusiasm would do a lot for the team and the program and a new coach is likely to get that because hope is a powerful tool.

DoubleB

November 30th, 2020 at 7:34 PM ^

There are a lot of layers to unpeel here, but there is a great article on ESPN about Florida State and the different agendas of the athletic department, boosters and Jimbo. They literally watched Clemson pass them by over the last 5 years and didn't / couldn't / wouldn't do anything about it. 

You want to find a good coach? Start by finding out why a potential head coach COULD have succeeded other than their presence. Is Cincinnati good because of Fickell or because it's easier to win there than say SMU? Was RichRod good because of his great offense or did his rise coincide with the departure of Miami and Virginia Tech to the ACC? Was Frost good because of his Oregon offense or because any decent coach can win a lot of games at Central Florida? Not saying this should be disqualifying, but it should, at the least, result in more inquiries.

 

rainingmaize

November 30th, 2020 at 7:35 PM ^

I think coaches in general are hard to find. 

If you look at the 2014/2015 coaching hires, nearly all the big names either flopped or were disappointing. Harbaugh ended up being around the 4th best coach in that cycle, debatably ahead of Herman. The best coaches in that cycle were: 

-A mediocre Pitt coach (Chryst who got hired at Wisconsin)
-A Kentucky Assistant Coach (Neal Brown hired at Troy and now at WV)
-A D3 coach (Lance Leiopold hired at Buffalo) 

ERdocLSA2004

November 30th, 2020 at 8:01 PM ^

It’s very hard to predict who is going to be successful.  Sometimes it’s the perfect situation then they leave that school and never find their groove elsewhere.  Sometimes they are a great coach, don’t evolve with the game and get left behind.  Maybe a great coach loses their edge, gets burned out, loses their way.  
 

what’s clear is that we no longer have a good coach.  It happens, he’s $50 million richer, got us out of the hoke hole, but lost his edge.  If I ever meet him, I’ll thank him for being the coach.  It’s time to change though, no one on either side should feel bad.  It’s business.

Leonhall

November 30th, 2020 at 8:08 PM ^

I’m so torn on this. Part of me thinks just bring in an entire new defensive staff, extend with a smaller buy out and hope that makes things better. Honestly, I’m just not sold on any of the potential replacements. This season has been disappointing, not because the W’s and L’s, but the piss poor execution and the apparent lack of recruiting in certain spots on the defense. 

Maize and Luke

November 30th, 2020 at 8:44 PM ^

Yes they were one good, even fair, spot away from the CFP. But it wasn’t even his roster. Look at what he’s doing with his roster 6 years in. No depth and less talent or poorly developed talent.

MichFan64

November 30th, 2020 at 9:00 PM ^

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know if when I see it; and the coaching I am seeing in this case is not that."

That's what every disillusioned fanbase says.

 

LabattsBleu

November 30th, 2020 at 9:04 PM ^

this reminded me of a great story on ESPN on the demise of Florida State.

Not saying Michigan has the same issues behind the scenes - they don't. Certainly not to the same degree.

However it does highlight that even guys you think would work, Jimbo, sometimes are out of alignment with the AD and boosters.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30331494/deep-deep-hole-6-year-unraveling-florida-state-football

worthwhile reading if you have the time.

manhattan wolverine

November 30th, 2020 at 9:27 PM ^

Hilarious the people still use the 2016 OSU game as an excuse for his overall disappointing tenure at Michigan. He had a chance to go 11-2 against an FSU team that lost by 40 to Louisville and was missing their best player in Derwin James. Team came out flat, and then got screwed by poor clock management at the end(sound familiar?)

Then in 2018, terrible play-calling and inability to string together a solid offense cost us the ND game. Sound familiar again? He has a chance to go 11-2 AGAIN vs Florida, and we get blown out. Cue the excuses about how "bowl games don't matter" and "too many players sat out". 

2019 rolls around.. returning tons of starters.. Somehow goes 9-4 with 10 NFL draft picks. Loses badly to Wisconsin and PSU, which don't have close to the talent we have. Cue the excuses about how "Michigan has always been 9-10 win team, even under Lloyd and Bo!!"

He's been a good coach for Michigan, and successfully turned the program around. He's also been very disappointing with a terrible 1-4 bowl record, and has gotten worse since 2016. Both things are true. 

Bill in Birmingham

December 1st, 2020 at 7:00 AM ^

That Florida games sticks with me more than most. Living in Alabama, I only get to a game in Ann Arbor every other year or so. Going to Atlanta was a no brainer. I could not believe that team, with that talent, played like that. It wasn't that they lost, but damn, they lost like that to a team that I believed they were better than. That was definitely the game I started losing hope. I have been a Harbaugh fan since he was a player. Loved the guy. Still do. But something is wrong, and I believe it is irretrievably wrong. If I'm honest, I guess I realized it that day. I really thought at the time, get rid of Brown and it will get better. His defenses were fun to watch against inferior talent. But they were a joke against superior talent. But since then, the program has floundered. The defense remains what it was, but now that talent has taken a dip, it is a debacle. The offense is disjointed and confused. I'm not sure I blame Gattis. I see elements of a modern offense, but play calling that is inconsistent with those elements. I have too many fond memories of the guy I believe to be the best (college) QB in the program's history to be hateful toward him. But I have to be realistic. No other coach would keep this job with these results. I am sad, but it is time to change.

Erik_in_Dayton

November 30th, 2020 at 9:28 PM ^

That's a great piece. We've certainly seen enough to know that there are no easy answers. Young coach, offensive-minded coach, defensive-minded coach, coach without Michigan ties, coach with Michigan ties, coach with NFL experience, coach without NFL experience, drill instructor, player's coach--none of these guarantee success. 

matty blue

November 30th, 2020 at 9:48 PM ^

i might say it differently.  i think we know what makes a good coach - most of us have played for a coach, or been part of a successful organization, and we instinctively know what works.

what we don't know in this case is what coaches are like behind closed doors, when it's just the team around, and that, i think, is way way way more important than what happens during a game, or certainly during a press conference.  bill belichick is TERRIBLE in a press conference.  his players don't give a shit about that tho.

MinWhisky

November 30th, 2020 at 10:14 PM ^

One key factor may be whether or not the new HC can bring his own staff with him.  Bo did that.  Moeller inherited a staff except for 1-2 coaches who left after Schembechler retired.  I'm pretty sure the Carr transition was similar to Moeller's.  I don't recall how many of Lloyd's assistants left after his first full year.  RR brought most of his staff except for his DC.  There's been a lot of back and forth on why he didn't come and how important that was and why.  Personally, I think the distinguishing feature of RR's transition was how bare the cupboard was at UofM.  I especially recall the QB situation and how he had to start a first year QB each year he was HC.  Hoke brought about half of his assistants with him from San Diego.  Harbaugh brought several including the OC and Durkin as his new DC.  Most really elite coaches developed a "tree" of assistants who went on to bigger and better things.  Bo is really the only one who has done this at UofM.  I think the fact that he brought along a bunch of young assistants that he knew really well was a key.  So, based on the above, I'd look for a young HC who has been successful at a lower tier conference/school and has a young staff that's been with him for awhile.  The chemistry and their culture would come with them.     

Blue Middle

November 30th, 2020 at 10:19 PM ^

The idea of alignment is certainly born out in many cases. I could coach Wisconsin to 9-win seasons because Alvarez has built a machine and culture that will produce consistent results regardless of who the coach is. The Pittsburgh Steelers are an NFL example of how consistency can pay off. Clemson. The Kansas City Chiefs have almost always been good.  For a long time the Montreal Canadiens were that franchise. 
The problem is that it’s really hard. But it certainly isn’t all luck. Urban Meyer could turn UM into a football powerhouse. So could Saban. Probably Swinney. 
The hard truth is that you never know how a hire will turn out. Matt Campbell might be our Urban Meyer or Bo Schembechler. Or he might be Brady Hoke. Same for Fickell. Guys that have done it at multiple stops are the closest thing to sure things. Harbaugh was one of those. 
Michigan faces some unique challenges, but we are still one hire away from greatness. If the Athletic Department can find a way to build the alignment that makes success easier, that’s the real ticket to long term success. Short of that, we need our Saban or Meyer to appear, and that is extremely unlikely.