Chryst to his O-Line: this is worst DL you will face
Listened to Balas and Skene podcast. Pretty damning when Paul Chryst reportedly tells his O-line that “you better be able to push Michigan off the ball because this is the worst DLine you will face all year.”
So I guess a 240 lb fullback at DT doesn’t scare a 300 lb OG? Lol. So goddam ridiculous.
September 22nd, 2019 at 11:27 PM ^
I don't think that's zero respect. Analytics favors them going for it on 4th and 1 especially when they can run on them. That's just smart play calling by Chryst
September 23rd, 2019 at 8:44 AM ^
And, to Chryst's credit, showed tremendous coaching growth from previous years. That's a Wisconsin auto-punt situation before this year.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:24 AM ^
After watching the army game there’s no way he wouldn’t go for it
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:04 AM ^
That's exactly what I thought.
If anyone has any doubts about Wiscy's opinion of our D-line, that play right there says it all.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:49 PM ^
Who knows if it was really said or not, but going for it on 4th down from their own side of the field early in the game tells you they had no respect for the UM Dline, they were making a statement with that call.
September 22nd, 2019 at 11:00 PM ^
It’s a lot easier to make that call when you have a Heisman front runner in the backfield
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:18 AM ^
And 220 pound Glasgow playing on the d-line.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:07 AM ^
It's also easier to make that call when your OL can push the DL around. They could've handed the ball to any of their RBs to make the play.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:15 PM ^
So here's an honest question---
Is the drop in DL performance at least partly the RESULT of the departure of Mattison? Or did Mattison see the writing on the wall & part of the reason he bailed was because he didn't want to be blamed as being part of the CAUSE?
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:16 PM ^
The DL was the worst part of the D last year and 3 of them are in the NFL now. Everyone with a brain knew it was going to be bad. Not this bad, but still.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:41 PM ^
Probably played a big part in Mattison hoping the hell out of here. Saw the impending talent level and bounced.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:59 PM ^
Mattison left for $$$ and the title of co-DC. That's it. If we had given him either he would have stayed.
September 23rd, 2019 at 8:36 AM ^
Titles are meaningless when they have the word “co” in front of them. In the context of player transfers, sitting out bowl games and declaring early and not even getting drafted etc, there is at least a chance he simply didn’t want to work with JH any longer. If he did, then you have to assume Harbaugh didn’t want to pay him. Titles are titles but money is real. With his tenure at UM, he may have stayed for less than OSU paid him. Washington was easy to see, he was an Ohio guy and was only briefly with UM. Again, just my opinion, but I believe it was one of the early signs of Harbaugh losing the locker room. I believed it when it happened, not just another overreaction to the WI game.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:18 PM ^
I don't know, but I wasn't happy when he left..... he's been one of our best coaches since Carr
his departure will continue to hurt a while
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:25 PM ^
Who did he recruit for Defensive Tackle the last 4 years ?
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:28 PM ^
I think it’s because of a clear lack of players (hence moving Mason to DT)
Solomon, Irving-Bey, Hudson (recruited as a DT), Paea, Dwomfour - that’s a lot of missing flesh. Mattison not the reason, IMO
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:29 PM ^
Mattison left because he is a defensive coordinator and had been a line coach at Michigan since JH was hired. He also has his salary doubled by taking the OSU job.
He didn’t have to stay as long as he did, but his relationship with the Harbaugh family goes back to Jack at WMU in the early to mid eighties.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:49 PM ^
That is a super interesting question.
If GMatt left either because of the talent drop-off here, or the talent differential at OSU....
I mean, he was dead to me already, this would cement that feeling further. Leaders don't quit on their team and flee. Leaders find a way to bring out the best in who they have,
GMatt just looking for bigger paycheck and easier coast into retirement. It's his prerogative of course. It does tie into a confluence of factors that made up the end of last season. F you Mattison
September 22nd, 2019 at 11:05 PM ^
First he was demoted and then he watched his old position filled by a guy in a google search. Would you stay where you obviously weren't wanted if a better opportunity arose?
September 23rd, 2019 at 6:16 AM ^
A guy who had fielded top defenses
Reminder: Mattison’s defenses were scorched by OSU as well. 40 plus on two separate occasions and 34 in Fickell’s lone year.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:15 PM ^
I'm so glad we moved Hudson to offensive tackle.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:31 PM ^
No telling how good he would've been at DT(or if even he would've stuck at UM at that position either), but in hindsight it definitely looks bad. He wanted to play defense too ?♂️?♂️
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:18 PM ^
If he said that he can fuck off. The played South Florida, CMU already and Kent State on 10/5.
Our DL isn't up to typical Michigan standards but it is NOT the worst DL they will face all year.
And Jesus Fucking Christ.
Did OSU fans melt down like this in 2017 after a shitty 8-5 Iowa team beat them BY THIRTY ONE POINTS 55-24 in 2017?
Did OSU fans melt down like this last year after an even shittier 6-7 Purdue team beat them BY TWENTY-NINE POINTS????
Ya know, sometimes one team just has a great, crisp day and the other team has an off day.
We need more data. Until then, everyone calm the fuck down.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:21 PM ^
Yes I bet the OSU fans did melt down like this. If not worse .
OSU got their shit together afterwards. Will we ?
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:33 PM ^
How did a team like OSU with all the talent at every position fall off that bad though? I wish Charles could've brought that up to Urban since he had a direct hand in it.
That's a story I want to hear explained without somehow reverting it back to us.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:58 PM ^
Did OSU fans melt down like this in 2017 after a shitty 8-5 Iowa team beat them BY THIRTY ONE POINTS 55-24 in 2017? Yes
Did OSU fans melt down like this last year after an even shittier 6-7 Purdue team beat them BY TWENTY-NINE POINTS???? Yes
How did a team like OSU with all the talent at every position fall off that bad though? The Iowa debacle in 2017 & the Purdue lambasting in 2018 both have something in common: they were the first road game after an emotional, come-from-behind, big-time win over PSU.
The Iowa game was the very next week after a huge PSU win in 2017. In 2018, after another emotional win in a big game vs. PSU, OSU was home the next 2 weeks but played very sluggish and was able to beat Nebraska & Minniesoda unimpressively. Then they finally hit the road to Purdue when they fell apart in the 4th quarter.
The Iowa loss smacked the team in the face enough that they didn't lose again until the repeat happened the following year. The Purdue loss smacked the team in the face enough that they haven't lost since. ...I wonder who OSU's first road game is against after PSU in 2019?
September 23rd, 2019 at 8:12 AM ^
The Iowa debacle in 2017 & the Purdue lambasting in 2018 both have something in common: they were the first road game after an emotional, come-from-behind, big-time win over PSU...I wonder who OSU's first road game is against after PSU in 2019?
Harbaugh has seen the pattern and is throwing UM's season to ensure that history repeats itself. Harbaugh has OSU right where he wants them!
Genius, give the man a raise!
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:21 PM ^
You need more data? How bout 2015-2019 against any decent team on the road.
But ya let’s all calm down because everything is fine.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:33 PM ^
Michigan was the best team in the Big Ten in 2016 and got totally fucked over by the refs. Period.
THAT team was one of the 4 best teams in the country. I'm still pissed about that fucking game.
Last year Michigan was ranked in the Top 4 until the OSU debacle.
So in half of his 1st 4 seasons, Harbaugh had one CFP team and one that got very close.
Harbaugh is doing WAY WAY better than the last two football coaches.
Until Michigan starts using bag men we probably need to be satisfied with only having an occasional playoff contender.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:43 PM ^
Ah yes another the house is fine as every room is on fire , we are the only fanbase that constantly blames refs, bagmen or some other fucking excuse for losses. everyone hates us every ref is out for us. At the end of the day IT SHOULDN'T HAVE COME DOWN TO A SPOT. Never put the game in refs hands.
September 22nd, 2019 at 11:17 PM ^
Yeah refs aren’t to get us but when a replay official that examines plays for a living says that if that Ronnie Bell CATCH was ruled INCOMPLETE on the field he would’ve reversed it TO A CATCH. But instead the opposite happened. Those refs called it a catch ON THE FIELD, went under the hood saw ABSOLUTELY nothing conclusive enough to overturn the call. However, they came back and did overturn it? Yeah that play didn’t kill one of the second best drives we had all day. Refs have little to no impact on today’s games!
September 22nd, 2019 at 11:09 PM ^
I hear Ed Martin's son is looking for work....
September 22nd, 2019 at 11:28 PM ^
Harbaugh has won absolutely nothing of consequence at Michigan. He’s improved the program greatly from the Rodriguez/Hoke eras, but I always have to laugh about all the the people on the board that constantly dump on Carr. Everyone wants to dwell on one terrible game at the end, but how many times in the Carr era did you have to sit and watch a lifeless team get blown out? It’s been happening a lot recently under Harbaugh.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:02 AM ^
You forget the loss to Iowa? Or the fact the Clemson beat Ohio by 30 and we lost to FSU?
Keep making excuses idiot
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:11 AM ^
Notre Dame went 4-8 in 2016 and went 12-0 and made the CFP in 2018.
Maybe let's not burn everything to the ground just yet, champ.
September 23rd, 2019 at 6:20 AM ^
Brian Kelly is an offensive savant. Harbaugh is not.
September 23rd, 2019 at 8:26 AM ^
Notre had already been to a title game before that so naturally that 4-8 gets swept under the rug.
Kelly > Harbaugh
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:27 PM ^
Exactly. Michigan was beaten (badly) by a very good team on the road. But it is way too soon to put the final nail in the coffin for this team and these coaches
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:54 PM ^
Yep. It's definitely too soon to put the final nail in the coffin. But yesterday was the first time since Harbaugh arrived that I began to consider that he might not be the right man for the job anymore. That was the worst loss in his time at Michigan, and now 2017 is starting to look less like an aberration and more like the kind of season we are going to have to endure with regularity. He's five years into his time at Michigan and his team looks fucking lost on the football field. That's just not acceptable for a coach at a school that regularly pulls in top 10 recruiting classes.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:21 PM ^
It has been clear for years that Harbaugh was not the right guy for the job. It amazes me that people did not see this clearly before now?
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:27 PM ^
We need more data? Are you fucking shitting me? WHAT THE FUCK!!
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:29 PM ^
Ill listen to charles Woodson and jake long. You should too
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:29 PM ^
Would you have felt better if he specified he meant conference opponents only?
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:29 PM ^
Apparently you missed the past 5 games we played.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:51 PM ^
Six games. Though Michigan did eventually beat 5-7 Indiana, it wasn't without a fright being down at half time.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:32 PM ^
more data?
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:48 PM ^
Tell that to Charles Woodson Steve Hutchinson and jake long all of who were disgusted. Charles visibly looked like he was going to punch Meyer on the set and go cry in the corner. When you make Charles Woodson cry you done fucked up fam.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:36 AM ^
Need more data, ????
get your head out of your ass
September 23rd, 2019 at 7:57 AM ^
Yes OSU melted down after that Purdue loss
You shouldve read ElevenWarriors before the Michigan game last season. It was all doom and gloom thinking we were going to whoop their asses