CBS 2019 Draft Board - Michigan featured prominently
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-draft-big-board-nick-bosa-no-1-qbs-land-11-spots-in-preseason-top-100/
Michigan players:
#3: Gary
#47: Chase
#52: Bush
#71: Hudson
#81: Hill
Clemson and Stanford with 6, Michigan, Ohio State and Bama with 5 seem like the most based on a quick review. Sparty with 404 error not found players.
JBB, Runyan, Bredeson and Onwenu should be on there.
Not that any of those guys can't get there, but to date I have seen nothing from them to expect them to be drafted in the 2019 draft. Bredeson is putting together a nice 4-year career that ends with him being drafted, but not an early entry. JBB has a lot to prove still (even if he ultimately moved inside for the NFL), Runyan we haven't seen enough of, let alone to leave early, and Onwenu is still 30 lbs overweight and has been inconsistent (too inconsistent to leave early).
I expect marked improvement from the unit as a whole this year, but I'm not sure I'd put any of them as draft picks for 2019.
I think your extreme-optimism-meter is broken.
I believe you missed the sarcasm
I think our line can be characterized as Varying Degrees of Kyle Kalis.
Kalis was an NFL-shaped OL who had the most to gain from a good year. All he needed was to turn it around. He did not do so.
We have a lot of NFL-shaped OL who, with a good year, could get a lot of NFL interest.
5 Kali with decent coaching? I’d take a line like that. Sure, they’d jump offsides 5 times a game and get hit with 5 personal fouls, but they would be mean.
(I am assuming the plural of Kalis is Kali.)
So..... i agree that to date, none of them jump off the page at me. However, i have to believe, that with a year of actual good coaching, Ben and Mike will get looks and have decisions to make. This year depends on them, and with a great year i think they're going to have, it means they will have made that leap. With their size and experience, a good year will get them serious looks. It's not just tackles that are coveted highly anymore.
Our defense is gonna be sooo good this year.
It has been sooooo good every year under Jimmy. I'm more concerned about the damn offense. Just think of how many games Michigan should have and could have won, simply because the defense kept them in the games, but lost because the offense was oftentimes so inept (especially in 2017).
Our offense is going to be sooooo good this year
Cue the "the defense is always good, fix the offense!" take in 3, 2... op, there it is.
A timeless classic.
No Shea? I've seen plenty of mocks with him in Round 1.
This surprised me too. I've seen a ton of mocks with him as a day 1 pick. But maybe that's the distinction between a mock draft and a "best available" top players list - QBs are habitually overdrafted compared to their rank of top player lists, purely because of the position's importance.
Other than being a five star out of high school, what has he done? He has a lot to prove this season assuming he wins the starting job
I mean... he does have over 3,100 passing yards and 23 TDs in just 10 starts on over 60% completions....
If you spread his stat line over the course of a 13 game season (which assumes no conference title game or CFP). He would have amassed 4,080 yards, 30 TDs and 15 picks at 8 yards per attempt. Not bad for a Freshman/Sophomore season split.
Obviously you don’t expect that type of statline at Michigan due to the difference in offenses and whatnot, but I’d say that’s “doing something.”
At any rate, stats aren’t what gets you drafted. It’s about your potential and your intangibles. Both of which Patterson has in spades.
Not to mention the fact that if you take his sophomore stats only (because players tend to improve year to year so his sophomore stats are more telling than his freshman stats, especially considering there are 7 games to go on) and expanded them to a 13 game schedule, he would have put up 4,195 yards, 32 TDs and 17 picks. While completing 63.8% of his passes in the process at 8.7 yards per attempt.
Now again, expecting that stat-line at Michigan is pretty absurd. But Shea Patterson HAS proven himself a fair amount. Completing 64 or 65% of his passes and totaling around 3,000 passing yards and getting 25-30 TDs through the air seems like a fairly achievable stat-line. Maintaining efficiency and cutting down on turnovers will be a huge key, but that type of season coupled with Patterson’s intangible athletic abilities should have him as one of the first QBs off the board.
Shea not in the Top 100 just seems like a literal error.
It's because he's coming back for an extra year.
Eh, I mean he hadn’t played a game yet for Michigan, so I understand not having him on the list. He might not even be the starter (sure he almost certainly will, but you get the point). I don’t mind waiting until he actually plays a few games before firing up the hype train...
Hype train left the station about six months ago.
Yeah. That thing was all "choo-choo, m'fer" since before Ole Miss surrendered. We've had a dozen "isn't the hype train too much hype?" threads on here for months.
It's a little higher than I would have most of the Michigan guys right now. Gary is in the right ball park, but teams will ding him on production (rightly or wrongly) and he could be more "top 10" than "top 3".
Chase seems more like a 3rd round pick, but I could see him move into the 2nd. His biggest issue is that he likely would really struggle to play DE in the league, so he has to shift to OLB (where he hasn't played) and he isn't an athletic freak that teams take early swings at.
Bush is going to get hit on size. Some of that is justifiable. He fits perfectly in Brown's scheme, so I'm not all together worried about his performance at Michigan, but he'll almost certainly have to move outside and take on new responsibilities in the pass in the NFL. That limits some of the upside.
Hudson is a good fit for modern NFL, but I don't think he's at all a safety/LB hybrid. In today's game, he's an OLB. He will play the apex, blitz, etc., but he isn't the same player Peppers is where he moves back in the defense. So he's a little higher than I would expect.
Hill seems on the correct trajectory, and he's probably the most obvious candidate to actually move up here, though his lack of ideal size may hurt him a little bit, as he also isn't the freak athlete that makes up for lack of size as some of the others.
What do you think of Bosa at number 1? That was probably the thing that stood out most for me. First round, sure, but wasn’t he technically a backup last year? Number one overall just seemed like a stretch.
Seems like a "backup" the way Mo Hurst was before his last year. Maybe not technically starting, but getting the longer half of the snaps in the rotation. And really productive in those snaps.
I mean, Mo Hurst was a backup his Junior year and was by all accounts a first round talent in this draft. You’re going to knock Bosa for being a “backup” as a sophomore on a very deep and talented OSU DL?
Seems like a bit of a double standard there. So let’s be honest with ourselves. Bosa is very good and is definitely in the running for #1 overall in the draft.
Every NFL people I've heard all had Bosa as a top 5 prospect and likely the best DE in the draft. They said they made a mistake of overthinking on his older brother, Joey, and doesn't want to do the same for Nick. Nick is more explosive but not as strong as Joey. The similarities are pretty striking because they play the exact same way on the field because they are a technician in pass rush and knows how to use their hands and leverage to defeat blocks.
I don't know if your take on Gary is entirely accurate. Teams still draft on potential a lot of the time, especially when it comes to positions of pure athleticism such as pass rushers. Leonard Floyd was drafted #9 as an early entry by the bears and his Sophomore season (second to last) equated to 55 total tackles, 8.5 TFL, and 6 sacks. Gary's same season equated to 58 tackles, 11.5 TFL, and 5.5 sacks.
Floyd didn't blow the doors off in terms of production his final year either, and given Gary's absolutely ridiculous measurables, I would be shocked if he wasn't a top 10 pick barring injury.
I think a lot of those Michigan players are going to see their draft position skewed by the group-think in the NFL combined with combine performances.
- Gary - He'll dominate the combine, has a clear position, and is the right size. He stays high.
- Chase - He'll get dinged because he isn't 6'5" and 265 pounds. Probably stays in the top 3 rounds.
- Bush - No matter how fast he is or how productive he is I think he slides because of his tiny stature.
- Hudson - The NFL didn't know what to do with Jabril Peppers, why do they suddenly know what to do with Hudson? His size and "Viper" position get lost in the old school group think and he probably falls.
- Hill/Long - Who knows? Lewis fell to the third round despite an awesome career/season and was behind a ton of lesser CBs because of his size or speed or not enough INTs.
- Shea - It is a horrible year for QBs in the draft so if he has a good season he could easily get over-drafted by an NFL team. Or he could be back for his last year.
- Kinnel - Who knows? A solid year and he's a late round pick since almost every DB under Don Brown has been drafted.
- Higdon - Mid-round draft pick since the NFL treats RBs as cannon fodder.
- Gentry - Could get drafted anywhere based on his unicorn status. Gesicki went pretty high from PSU.
- Any OL - hahahahaha.....we can dream, right?
Re: A horrible year for QBs --
I haven't looked enough to confirm or deny this. Obviously, a lot of talent left after last year. What does the landscape look like nationwide? The only guys I can think of offhand are second-year starters in Clemson, Georgia, and Alabama (well, first-year starter, but Tua looked good in one game last year) and maybe that kid from Washington.
If it is indeed a weak draft year, Shea can make himself serious money by having a good year. Even a QB with flaws can get drafted high if there are few options, because there's always at least a couple that go in the top half of the first round even if they stink.
Lewis was probably a 1st rounder before the domestic violence questions came to light
Gary has a ton of ceiling left to explore but the idea he’s a “potential” guy ignores his play thus far
Dude had like 50 pressures while mashing double teams in the run and pass games. He also was the player most responsible for keeping khaleke clean and helping in his monster season.
Which would even go more towards my point that he is a top ten pick. He has similar stats to a guy who went in the top 10 and was pretty much all potential.
What is with people blatantly disregarding David Long?
I was going to ask this question, but you beat me to it by ~41 minutes...
Good for us? Maybe he's a lock to come back next season, too?
Lets keep him a secret from the NFL.
Rashan?
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MSU may have up to 3 guys drafted next year. They still don't lose a lot after the 2018 season, and I don't see any early draft candidates out of the group (I'm higher on Lewerke than most here, but I don't think he moves up enough to warrant leaving early; their DTs are good but not the freak athletes that tend to leave early either).
LJ Scott will almost certainly get drafted. Whether he has learned to hold onto the football and pass protect will determine if he's more of a 3ish round pick or 6th round pick. He's got a lot of very good tools, but without breakaway speed, those other issues become glaring. Willis is a smart player but has limited athleticism. He may get snatched up late. Beedle has been helped a lot by moving inside, but is still overweight and still has limited ability to move. Still, his improvement was pretty drastic from 2016 to 2017, so he may be a guy that can get drafted late, though I'm doubtful.
As for OSU, they have freak athletes all over, so it really only takes a single year to see their draft stock go up drastically. At WR, Dixon, Mack, or Victor could all potentially end up drafted depending on if they can get any consistent production. Knox has some potential, though I haven't been terribly impressed with his consistency to date, but he's a guy with physical tools to play inside at the NFL. Weber I think gets drafted next year, though it will be difficult for him to get drafted early as he'll be mostly a 2nd back in a committee (and I think Higdon goes before him). I don't think Borland leaves yet. Good player in the middle, but hasn't done enough yet to warrant leaving early. Arnette, Fuller, and Scheffield, while all having their struggles last year, are guys that could blow up with a good season.
I hope, I hope, I hope Willis gets drafted, only because he, like I, is a more-than-mighty Titan of Jackson Lumen Christi!
If Lewerke has a strong year, he might consider putting his name in the hat, too.
Ah Lumen Christi, only for the most sophisticated trailer park denizens.
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FWIW, I know there are some who thinks that Lewerke is good enough to get drafted at 1st round provided that he improve from last season. Most had him as a day 2 pick.
If Higdon has a big year (and he will if he can get some kind of blocking from his OL), he could find himself on this list as well.
Would probably still be a Day 3 guy, but still drafted all the same.
All of those outside of Chase are not ready and should stay in college to see out their eligibility. I say this solely with their wants/needs in mind and totally not as a selfish Michigan football fan.
I agree but only as a selfish Michigan football fan.
No Kuren Hegdan?
Kieron Hoodanovan is primed for a huge year
What happened
Anyone know the start date for fall camp?
8/3
So mk leaving yesterday is meaningless.