Cam Warde Tampering: Biggest Scandal in Pac2 History

It’s happening to half the teams in that conference. It’s huge. 

I believe the term is 'preaching to the choir?"

The Pac2?   I think it's appropriate to look at "more seasoned" programs - to see how it's really done and hidden form sight.   Where should you look?   Let's just begin with the SEC - since, after all, "it just means more".

Who is the NCAA gonna bang on this?

One guess.

The conference is not even four months old; any scandal would be the biggest scandal in Pac2 history.

Would appreciate spelling his name properly, especially as it's spelled correctly in the link, but yes, this is a real thing worth spilling ink. 

Deion Sanders was specifically called out by some coaches about a year ago for this practice.

Only programs that refuse to do things on principle, which comes down to only those ultra rare programs with principles, wouldn't do it.

Which means that Michigan probably doesn't do it.*

*admittedly, a staffer, who may or may not contract himself out to multiple programs, might well be doing it, as guided by page 513 of his manifesto for taking over the college football world.^

^nevermind; Michigan has (probably?) learned its lesson, and will hopefully never permit such a thing again.

Don't forget our AD who historically bends over and takes whatever the NCAA wants to give it and continues to do so to this day. Other schools don't cooperate while our school asks what they can do to help pursue the investigation. Bunch of fucking idiots and morality simps. If no one else is gonna play by the rules, then why the bloody fucking hell are we!?

If you've spent time around college football at any level, you have a firm understanding that no one obeys the rules. Paying players, tampering, sign stealing, academic rule breaking, recruiting violations, advanced scouting etc. It goes on everywhere and has for decades. They can't police it and would rather not. They have no solutions and are always reactive instead of proactive. It is what it is, but we love it.

Nothing to see here.  Unless Michigan decides to throw our hat in the ring.  Then it would be the most dirty, underhanded thing to ever hit any sport at any level.

The level of selective enforcement goes so far beyond "arbitrary and capricious" and definitely is reaching "collusion" levels.  Hopefully it blows up the NCAA altogether.

I always thought the hate toward CS was a bit much, and it was probably made worse by the fact that he's so weird, with the vacuum cleaners and the manifesto. The only reason he seems sketchy to me is the Blake Corum thing, otherwise he would just be a geeky football-obsessed dude. That said, I don't keep up with CS rumors and goings-on, because I just never cared much. I was always paying attention to the conference, I really didn't care one bit about what CS did because I never believed there was an advantage from it, or there was some player safety thing, or anything else. I always thought it was an accepted practice to watch your opponents, and had no idea it was so weirdly forbidden by the NCAA.

Nobody wants to say "I don't care that we broke a rule," but in this case, I'd bet most of us don't care about breaking the rule so much as we care about not being cheaters. Figuring out the opponents' signals is not cheating unless it's prohibited and enforced across the board. Since it isn't, this whole thing is dumb. If someone broken into Ryan Day's office to steal his notebook of signs and big secrets, that would be B&E and cheating. But going to a public event as a spectator and looking for patterns? It's a stupid thing to prohibit or worry about. You're supposed to hide your signals because your opponents are going to look for them. It's all just so stupid.

Don’t aggrandize Stallions.  This is all his fault. 

What USC did to Pitt with Jordan Addison should have prompted at worst discussion, at best regulation. 
 

Nobody cared about USC screwing Pitt.

Nobody cares about WSU getting screwed. 
 

And when principled people spoke up, they were shouted down “b/c the kid benefitted.”

With these transfer QBs, am now wondering...

What are the educated odds JJ is returning?

And if not, what are the odds Orji is the starter, and not some transfer?  I want Orji to play, for getting a transfer might not go well with this team like with Shea. Pissed alot of player off that Speight left.

If I were Cameron Ward, I'd counter all the offers and say "I'm going to accept one of these and I'm going to provide evidence of tampering on all the offers I don't accept.  Best and finals are due tomorrow."

His value then goes to Value of Player + Value of Not Getting Caught + Value of Rivals Getting Caught.  Boom...$2M+ NIL :)

NCAA: "C'mon guys, please stop it. Please. You know it's wrong. I trusted you."

I said it before they are trying to crush the Boy Scout that beats even their sleazy machinations! Burgers and eager beaver newly hired analysts. Psshhaww!

I didn’t read all of that

Point well taken here and I appreciate your contextualizing that this "scandal" has been massively overblown and in the most generous of terms curiously sourced and unfairly discussed by many talking heads with both national microphones and message board usernames. Although I'm somewhat embarrassed to say it, I have, as I'm sure many of us have, lost actual sleep over this whole "scandal" and have let its existence occupy way too much of my mental and emotional energy. That said, I do not think the media has been wrong to report on it, and I don't think U of M should have escaped punishment for it.  

There were rules broken here. Sure you can probably find a loophole like Stallions had his friends do the recording, and we can say that other programs break other rules and don't get caught, or don't get punished, or get punished in ways that are well below what the infraction would seem to call for. But this isn't about other programs or other rules or the media. This is about what Stallions and by extension U of M did. That other bad, nefarious, unfair, worse things are going on does not mean we shouldn't be called out (appropriately) and punished (appropriately) when we break rules. That we make a lot of money for the conference doesn't mean we should be allowed to break rules and go unpunished (this is not something you've raised here but many others have elsewhere). There has to be some accountability somewhere to the rules everyone (including U of M) agreed to. 

Obviously, the scale/severity of this issue has been massively overstated, and I would argue the punishment (given what we know at this point) has been more than sufficient. I agree that all rules including tampering should be enforced and with an even hand that follows precedent and conducts investigations and considers evidence before making judgements. Many of those basic procedures were carelessly violated here and bad new precedents were established. I hope desperately that U of M will hold the BIG 10 to those precedents going forward (I doubt they will).

This whole experience these past couple months has made me more ready than ever to leave the NCAA behind, create a real super league with a real commissioner and payed players and an actual playoff etc. But since we aren't there yet U of M and all of us, I think, need to be the "do it the right way" kinds of fans and team we believe(d) we are. That means taking this bitter fucking medicine and not whataboutism-ing and loophole-ing our way through this "scandal." 

Especially now, as we head to Indy, we are better than that. Go Blue!