California State University Campuses Closed This Fall
Another poster mentioned the possibility of this in the MAC thread and it’s official now. I can’t imaging that UCLA and Cal etc. are going to be able to put a football team on the field if the campus is considered unsafe. With this news I’ll be really surprised if we end up getting a football in the fall.
South Koreans bought in quickly to wearing masks. I still see lots of people here not wearing masks or distancing. I think that is the biggest factor.
Testing, tracing, and isolating is doing the vast majority of the work in Korea. A good number of people aren't wearing masks in Korea and people don't wear them in restaurants and cafes and bars for obvious reasons. Masks help, but I think the idea that we could do nothing but wear masks more often and we'd be in the same position as Korea is ludicrous. And obviously Korea agrees or they wouldn't be spending so much money managing the virus. They'd just mandate masks and that'd be the end of it.
If “eng” says he has taken decision modeling then ndscott must be teaching it. I recommend eng switch to ndscott’s class.
With earlier data, the New York City area might have closed down earlier. With earlier data, other states may have felt more comfortable with more nuanced shutdown decisions.
I’ve worked in public policy for 25+ years, rule #1, as soon as you know you are going to be faced with a decision with huge economic and health impacts, try to figure out how you can get as much good data as possible to inform your decision. Testing people who don’t know if they have the virus or if they need treatment can save both lives and dollars.
Blue, I agree except NYC did have early enough data. They had the same data San Francisco’s Mayor had. They had access to the same CDC briefing. They had access to the same models.
But Cuomo blew it. As you indicated he made a political decision rather than a pandemic decision. Every pandemic scientist knows you can’t chase a pandemic you have to get way ahead of it. New York City closed down a week after San Francisco did. They had similar caseloads at the time.
After San Francisco closed down, Cuomo was quoted saying he was not going to close down New York City. I believe he may have used the word never. By Wednesday of that week, look it up, De Blasio begged to close down the city and Cuomo refused. By Friday Cuomo decided to close down New York but it didn’t take affect until Monday. That was a week after San Francisco and the five counties.
Cuomo is being treated like a saint yet he is single-handedly responsible for most of the deaths in New York City. Don’t neg me because I am bashing a Democrat. The facts are all there and he deserves it. But at least unlike other politicians he quickly switched to following the facts and science and making much better decisions.
I agree on the assessment of Cuomo. I try to stay out of politics in general because I find both political parties hypocritical (and partisan rancor is ruinous), but it is shocking to see how he is being praises for his response. For nearly a week or more early on, Bill DeBlasio was practically begging Cuomo to lockdown NYC yet he refused - saying something to the effect of it being "unthinkable". His vacillation led to perhaps more cumulative US COVID deaths than any other public leader to date (and yes, Trump has made his mistakes too, but in this situation there is only so much the federal executive is allowed to do constitutionally - for better or worse the state governors have the real authority here).
Thanks Bo. Relooking at the New York City timeline, they really did screw up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_New_York_(state)
Instead of being 5 days later than San Fransisco, they really should have ben 5 days earlier. March 17, was when San Fransisco announced their order. NYC didn’t until March 22nd. They certainly knew enough in the NYC area to be more aggressive on March 10 when they announced the containment order around New Rochelle. As fast as the virus was spreading in NYC, those 12 days could have made a big difference.
Wow. You took a class. That is a relief. I originally thought you were just talking out of your ass
So California is going to wreck their own economy in order to secure a bailout from the federal government? That's Newsom's diabolical plan? What on earth are you smoking?
Sweden's curve looks better than California at this moment. Joseph Biden taught me that it is not helpful to evaluate the other side's motivation because you can't really know and sometimes the other side doesn't really know and all that matters is the deal so don't waste time on being disgusted with what you think is their motivation. That said, what do you think is Newsom's motivation?
You've got to be kidding me. Sweden has 33 deaths per 100k people. California has 7 deaths per 100k people. I'm not getting into crackpot conspiracy speculation about Newsom's super-secret plot to destroy his state's economy.
Normalization doesn’t help their argument... so no need for them to use it
Beyond the fact the LA metro area alone is 3M+ more people than the entire population of Sweden despite the fact Sweden is 34,000 times larger in terms of land mass, Sweden's "curve" isn't all that good nor is their economy doing particularly well. Like all places COVID-19 is most killing older people so I guess a take could be made (not Sweden's official position, nor probably their intent) that Sweden is just going to accept that catastrophic death rate for it's elderly while banking on some form of herd immunity kicking in and their medical system holding up until then. There's little evidence that will actually happen and Sweden is actually social distancing a decent amount, but the idea they are doing better than California on any front is pretty dubious. And that's not even getting into the very real geo-political debate over comparing a Scandinavian country on a peninsula with the United States of America, but so be it.
better yet...just never mind. Not worth the headaches.
Considering California tax dollars pay for endless payments to red states who take in way more federal funding than they pay taxes, sure they can take a bailout.
Yes they want a bailout from the government which they and NY prominently fund. Why is it that the blue states fund the Federal government and the red states rely on handouts to fun their states?
Do you live in California?
I live in Los Angeles and was furious when I heard this.
I think there's some misunderstanding though. The "stay-at-home" order is a catch-all for all the measures included in the executive order and I think what the public health director meant is that there will be some measures for at least three months (her quote is that "some measures" will remain for at least three months, but the media for clicks is reporting it as "the stay-at-home" order will be extended that long which I guess is technically correct if that's the name for the order but it's misleading).
It's not going to be a strict stay at home for that long. They've already opened hiking trails and parks (took the fam for a hike on Sunday), they're opening beaches for some use Wednesday. They're starting to talk about opening certain businesses. It'll be phases like everywhere else.
I do think California is being overly cautious. Like, way too cautious. I'm seriously thinking about packing up and leaving for the next couple months if we don't come to our senses.
It's not hit us that badly but it's (mostly) not because of the early lockdowns despite what the politicians probably think (as they pat themselves on the backs).
It's for other reasons like demographics (CA is a very young state with only 14% of the population over 65 years old compared to 26% of the country, CA is a very healthy state with the 4th lowest obesity rate in the country (25% vs over 30% nationally) and weather (it's a warm state with high humidity on the coasts where most people live so the virus doesn't spread as easily) that CA is doing well and can be expected to continue to do well even as we let up some.
now that Tesla thumbed their nose at local government policy...unless they are cracked down upon....the california talk is just talk. businesses will do as they will
now that Tesla thumbed their nose at local government policy...unless they are cracked down upon....the california talk is just talk. businesses will do as they will
That's one thing I find awesome about the USA (its mix of cultures).
I expect the Blue vs. Red divide to be on display in a few years when some schools (obvious risk to their AD budgets aside for a moment) decide to stop playing football.
i believe ferris, CMU, and hillsdale have said they're holding fall classes here in our fair state. curious to see which other schools follow.
GVSU is preparing for in-person fall classes.
and purdue univ 'citing zero lethal threats to students' is intending on having fall sports.
On March 11, the big ten was going to have a basketball tournament. Also, I’m not a big fan of Mitch Daniela, but you should quote him accurately. He actually said “close to zero”, which is a significantly more accurate characterization than “zero threat”.
