Cade takes the OL to chop house (premier steakhouse in AA)
“Thank you to @TheChopHouseAA for allowing me to treat the boys that protect me to a phenomenal meal”.
From the picture, looks like Cade took 9 of the OL out to chophouse. Strong work. I’m assuming NIL helped pick up that tab!
More good vibes from bye week and evidence Cade has a knack for being a leader/well liked by the team.
https://twitter.com/cademac_12/status/1448477112671821834?s=21
October 14th, 2021 at 11:23 AM ^
So you are doubling down on your awful take
Still not sure why so many seem to think making an observation on their appearance is somehow a judgement on their character. I don't see the leap from one concept to the other. The observation is neutral. The implied judgement of their character never happened. Your fabricating a line of logic that was never said.
October 14th, 2021 at 11:36 AM ^
I don't care about your take or anyone else's take on the matter.
My question is: why are you are shitting on a picture of a nice moment from players giving their blood, sweat and tears to a team and university that we all support?
October 15th, 2021 at 1:16 PM ^
My question is: why are you are shitting on a picture of a nice moment from players giving their blood, sweat and tears to a team and university that we all support?
The question is why do you interpret what I said as shitting on them? I pointed out an observation about their appearance. Why is that a negative thing to you? The observation is neutral. Your assumption is negative. I never said anything negative about them.
October 14th, 2021 at 11:12 AM ^
it's weird. It's almost like it's a group of people picked by the same evaluation technique to do a really similar job, largely based on physical characteristics, and then who work and live together as a team in a way engineered to foster camaraderie and teamwork.
No, it's obviously the *ism of the week. No doubt. No reason to complicate matters with reality.
Rob
October 14th, 2021 at 11:21 AM ^
it's weird. It's almost like it's a group of people picked by the same evaluation technique to do a really similar job, largely based on physical characteristics, and then who work and live together as a team in a way engineered to foster camaraderie and teamwork.
Obviously they are all tall and large men...aka offensive lineman. I was more interested in other parts of their appearance which likely signify culture or socioeconomics such as their hair styles, clothing, and overall appearance. Maybe offensive lineman in general tend to share some of the same style and preferences, but I would have expected more variety.
October 14th, 2021 at 11:45 AM ^
I mean what the hell are you even talking about with them all having the same "style"? You've got one guy in a polo shirt. One guy in a rugby shirt. One guy in a standard office dress shirt. One guy wearing a Michigan t-shirt covered up in a jacket. One guy wearing full flannel. One guy with flannel over a t-shirt and a big gold chain. One guy with a pocket-T. And 2 guys wearing casual (non-work) dress shirts.
For the pants you have a mix of blue jeans, khakis, slacks, and a bunch of other dark pants that could be anything in-between.
How can anyone look at this photo and say they are all dressed in the same "style"? Unless that "style" is "college kid going out to a nice restaurant"?
October 14th, 2021 at 7:23 PM ^
This level of sartorial analysis is peak bye week material, and I love it.
October 14th, 2021 at 12:29 PM ^
They're also out to eat at the Chop House posing for a likely sponsored photo and were probably asked / encouraged to wear something "nice" which for a college kid is going to be a button down or polo shirt and slacks. The situation probably tempered creative expression when it comes to "style".
But to others point, this is a group that chose to do a very specific thing with their lives and eat, sleep, breath doing that thing as a unit. They have beard growing competitions together, they do lots of things together.
October 14th, 2021 at 2:25 PM ^
This might be the strangest comment and doubling down on said comment I've ever seen on this board. I still can't even figure out what the hell you are referring to in your original comment.
October 14th, 2021 at 3:45 PM ^
Why are all the men at this wedding wearing suits?! Obviously the bride and groom don't care much for cultural diversity.
October 14th, 2021 at 11:36 AM ^
Yeah, they all look like college kids.
WTF are you even trying to get at here?
October 14th, 2021 at 5:11 PM ^
Just keep digging deeper, that'll work.
Just say there are a bunch of white people and for some reason you are bothered by that. I mean, also feel free to ignore the fact that the starting QB last year was black.
Anyway, I have no idea what your jag is here; Michigan's 2021 offensive line class aren't all a bunch of white dudes, and with Trente Jones also likely to see playing time soon your, I'm sure, very thoughtful and nuanced concerns about the racial composition of the offensive line will be allayed.
October 14th, 2021 at 8:10 AM ^
The line isnt culturally diverse? What the fuck does that even mean? How do you know by looking at a picture?
October 14th, 2021 at 11:24 AM ^
The line isnt culturally diverse? What the fuck does that even mean? How do you know by looking at a picture?
There are a lot of similarities in their appearance.
October 14th, 2021 at 3:13 PM ^
MGoStrength, I am just going to interject here and ask you not to involve yourself in this conversation any further. The original take was bloody awful, but doubling down on it just makes you look like an absolute tosser that harbors some unfortunate opinions about others.
In all honesty, it was a great photo, a nice team moment, and you certainly didn't have to piss all over the thing with your "observation". I mean, what the fuck does it mean? "Not culturally diverse", then your defence is "similar in their appearance"? What? I look like a lot of other nameless WASPy assholes, but how would you know one damn thing about how my experiences, status and cultural upbringing from a photo? You wouldn't.
October 14th, 2021 at 4:21 PM ^
Thank you!
October 14th, 2021 at 9:22 PM ^
Thanks for this.
October 15th, 2021 at 2:00 PM ^
MGoStrength, I am just going to interject here and ask you not to involve yourself in this conversation any further.
If you would have left it there I would said cool.
The original take was bloody awful, but doubling down on it just makes you look like an absolute tosser that harbors some unfortunate opinions about others.
This is not an effective way to gain compliance if that's what you're after. You should have left it at your first sentence.
you certainly didn't have to piss all over the thing with your "observation". I mean, what the fuck does it mean? "Not culturally diverse", then your defence is "similar in their appearance"? What? I look like a lot of other nameless WASPy assholes, but how would you know one damn thing about how my experiences, status and cultural upbringing from a photo? You wouldn't.
Don't ask me a bunch of questions, criticize me, and tell me not to reply. If you're trying to change someone's behavior you don't criticize them and question them, then tell them to stop responding. All that does is make people dig their heels in. You change people's opinion through healthy debate and trying to understand where they are coming from, not through name calling and censorship.
You should know the difference between saying what someone looks like and making a judgement on who they are as a person. Shame on you for assuming that because I'm pointing their ethnic and cultural backgrounds that it somehow implies a judgement on their character. There are good and bad people from all walks of life and pointing out their appearance is not the same as indicating the kind of people they are.
October 14th, 2021 at 8:10 AM ^
It’s Harbaugh’s job to recruit the best players that he can, regardless of their background or where they come from.
At that point he has little to no control over which of those guys actually come here. So whether they’re all white, all black, all Asian, has nothing to do with the culture or complexion that Michigan is trying to build with its team.
October 14th, 2021 at 8:10 AM ^
This is what grabbed you from that photo? Not team togetherness, people dressed up looking nice, a good gesture by Cade, thanking your oline for keeping your ass from getting planted in the turf on the field? Nothing??? Ok!!!
October 14th, 2021 at 8:25 AM ^
Right or wrong, it's what some people focus on. Probably not wise to bring it up here.
October 14th, 2021 at 8:43 AM ^
It was already brought up. The people responding are right to respond to bullshit...
October 14th, 2021 at 9:09 AM ^
Right or wrong? No. Just wrong.
October 14th, 2021 at 11:33 AM ^
Right or wrong, it's what some people focus on. Probably not wise to bring it up here.
I think some people are overly sensitive. You can't be afraid of offending people. People that get offended easily likely has more to do with them than the person that is offending them. If you are afraid of offending people, nothing of significance would ever be said. Everyone has a right to disagree or vote how they chose.
October 14th, 2021 at 11:42 AM ^
"If you are afraid of offending people, nothing of significance would ever be said." The motto for assholes around the world.
There is a huge difference between standing up for what is right and shitting on a group of upstanding young men sharing a nice moment for no reason whatsoever.
Voting? Now this is politics - nice work.
October 17th, 2021 at 7:41 PM ^
"If you are afraid of offending people, nothing of significance would ever be said." The motto for assholes around the world.
And yet you are offending MGS. Can you see the hypocrisy?
There is a huge difference between standing up for what is right and shitting on a group of upstanding young men sharing a nice moment for no reason whatsoever.
How is he shitting on anyone by thinking there isn't much diversity? How does that say anything bad about the players?
Voting? Now this is politics - nice work.
You are such a whiny bitch.
October 14th, 2021 at 11:28 AM ^
This is what grabbed you from that photo? Not team togetherness, people dressed up looking nice, a good gesture by Cade, thanking your oline for keeping your ass from getting planted in the turf on the field? Nothing??? Ok!!!
The first thing I noticed and said was about Cade's gesture. Apparently you missed that.
October 14th, 2021 at 8:18 AM ^
I think this comment says a lot more about you than it does the players.
October 14th, 2021 at 8:24 AM ^
You need to work on your weaknesses. Just saying. When you same background, you mean what exactly? Starting a war on an innocuous photo is so not a strength.
October 14th, 2021 at 8:25 AM ^
These guys literally come from all over the country (out west, down south, northeast, Midwest) and from different backgrounds. Barnhart had an interview where he said something along the lines of "we are a diverse group, even the farm boys like me get along well with the city slickers".
Its a diverse group racially, culturally and economically. Not that it really matters though. Michigan is trying to win football games and if that meant recruiting players exclusively within a 20 mile radius in the city of Detroit then so be it.
October 14th, 2021 at 8:37 AM ^
“we seriously lack diversity in that group, not just racially, but culturally?”
So you looked at a photo that includes Trente Jones and Chuck Filiaga and your reaction is that they look racially and culturally just like Karsen Barnhart and Ryan Hayes.
LOLWUT
October 14th, 2021 at 8:40 AM ^
WTF?
You must be a blast to be around at parties.
October 14th, 2021 at 8:47 AM ^
You normally have great takes, this one is an airball! You can ask Harbaugh to sign more black guys if you want.
October 14th, 2021 at 8:58 AM ^
It is just you.
October 14th, 2021 at 9:02 AM ^
At some point A person making an observation like this on a completely organically developed social situation is the actual racist, and perpetuating whichever level of division you believe exists.
October 14th, 2021 at 9:18 AM ^
Horrible, wrong and embarrassing take. You took a special, classy moment for these kids and tried to smear it.
If it were me, I would apologize to the Board and to players in the picture (not that they give a shit what some moron on the internet posts).
October 14th, 2021 at 9:35 AM ^
Not going to pile on or come at you, because you are a good poster on this board and have been for a long time. I am thinking there is something that wasn't fully articulated in this post that you were trying to get across?
What cultural diversity do you think is lacking in here? Seriously, not being snarky I just would like to know what you are referring to, because your statement alone makes it difficult to decipher what you wanted to get across I feel.
October 14th, 2021 at 10:03 AM ^
You are very generous to give this guy the benefit of the doubt. He is saying (1) there are too many white guys in the picture (lack of racial diversity); and (2) basically all white people and all black people are culturally homogeneous (hence the supposed lack of cultural diversity). I don't know how you could read it any other way.
What makes the comment insidious and borderline insane is that he makes it seem like Cade only invited white guys or that the white guys decided to get together and exclude their non-white teammates.
Anyone with a brain would realized that it just happens to be the current mix of players on the OLine. The fact is that the team as a whole (and past OLines) is extremely culturally and racially diverse.
October 14th, 2021 at 10:36 AM ^
You may be swinging a bit too hard in the other direction, man. I saw zero implication in the original comment that Cade was excluding dudes based on race. Obviously Cade just invited the whole damn OL.
I also think the comment was misguided, but it wasn’t something insidious or horrible, unless you consider any and all discussion of diversity to be objectionable or offensive.
October 14th, 2021 at 11:10 AM ^
ok - so then tell me what you think the original comment was referring to. Their clothing?
October 14th, 2021 at 2:29 PM ^
MGoStrength's original comment: "Is it just me or do we seriously lack diversity in that group, not just racially, but culturally? Everyone looks like they come from the same background."
What you said, which does not have any apparent basis in MGoStrength's comment: "What makes the comment insidious and borderline insane is that he makes it seem like Cade only invited white guys or that the white guys decided to get together and exclude their non-white teammates.
Also, I think the original comment makes clear that he was indeed thinking about something other than race. Clothes may have actually informed MGoStrength's thoughts, I don't know. I personally think he was off base, but he was clearly making a comment about the composition of the OL, and there is no reasonable basis to say he was insinuating that Cade or anyone else at that dinner was excluding teammates based on race (or anything else).
October 18th, 2021 at 7:38 AM ^
He is saying (1) there are too many white guys in the picture (lack of racial diversity); and (2) basically all white people and all black people are culturally homogeneous (hence the supposed lack of cultural diversity).
He didn't say either of those things. You are putting words in his mouth.
What makes the comment insidious and borderline insane is that he makes it seem like Cade only invited white guys or that the white guys decided to get together and exclude their non-white teammates.
What in the ever loving fuck are you talking about? He never said that either.
Anyone with a brain would realized that it just happens to be the current mix of players on the OLine. The fact is that the team as a whole (and past OLines) is extremely culturally and racially diverse.
The team as a whole is diverse. This group of guys on the o-line is not. That doesn't say or mean anything other than that. It doesn't say anything about who Cade invited. It doesn't say anything about previous o-lines. It doesn't say anything about the team as a whole. He found that interesting and is curious if that's normal at other places. Jesus, that's not saying anything bad about the kids. It's just an observation. Don't be such a little bitch.
October 15th, 2021 at 2:06 PM ^
What cultural diversity do you think is lacking in here? Seriously, not being snarky I just would like to know what you are referring to, because your statement alone makes it difficult to decipher what you wanted to get across I feel.
Because I don't think the majority of the board will be open to my point of view I'm going to refrain from elaborating on it any further, but I appreciate your willingness to engage productively.
Not going to pile on or come at you, because you are a good poster on this board and have been for a long time. I am thinking there is something that wasn't fully articulated in this post that you were trying to get across?
Regardless of if folks agree or disagree on any given topic, if one's goal is to change behavior this is the way to do it. You change people by trying to understand their perspective, not through name calling. Thank you for taking the time to be considerate even if you weren't sure I was.
October 14th, 2021 at 9:41 AM ^
This might be an all-timer as far as bad comments go.
October 14th, 2021 at 9:45 AM ^
This is a very weird comment.
October 14th, 2021 at 9:55 AM ^
Change user name to MGoHR
October 14th, 2021 at 10:03 AM ^
Interesting that the cultural diversity comment didn’t mention all of the international players we also recruit... seems like we’re actually much more diverse in that regard than most other teams, even the elites. If you’re getting guys like Ojabo and Welschof I can’t see how diversity would be an issue to point at