Cade or J. J.?
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:23 PM ^
Oh man I feel your you. The amount of negs coming your way…
As for who starts, I think Cade would have to have 2 Milton-like games of just overall bad play before they consider it.
Even then, it would be a stretch. Next year may be different, but Cade is the starter for the season barring total ineptitude.
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:52 PM ^
Before yesterday I would’ve agreed with you, but after JJ played a lot in the 2nd half, I think they’ll have a pretty quick hook with Cade if it’s a close game. With saying that, I 100% believe Cade should be our starter.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:33 PM ^
Looked to me like JJ came in to run read option. Obviously later he threw the bomb. I'm guessing the bomb was to make future defenses think about over playing the read option when JJ comes in.
Devin Gardner talked on a past Monday morning qb, about how they had certain packages for him and his skill set as a qb when Denard was here. He said Denard embraced it because it was a little less on Denard's plate. Hopefully the current situation is similar.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:54 PM ^
I agree with that, but they could’ve also run these packages in the previous 4 games where it wasn’t as risky. The fact they chose to do it to start the 3rd quarter in this game tells me they wanted to see JJ when the game was still very much in limbo in a pretty hostile environment. Maybe I’m reading too much into it. Either way, the job should remain Cade’s unless he shows he’s not capable (which I don’t expect)
October 3rd, 2021 at 10:04 PM ^
Except he never threw It when the game was close. They only saw him hand off, so your theory seems unlikely.
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:27 PM ^
As if negs mean anything? I question the analytical skills of any fan who doesn’t see the significance of this question and thinks, given McCarthy’s obvious ability, that it would take “2 Milton-like games” for Harbaugh to make the switch.
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:52 PM ^
I'm having my MGoPoints etched into my tombstone....
October 4th, 2021 at 9:08 AM ^
Child, please.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:04 PM ^
Anyone hear that Keith Jackson passed away?
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:25 PM ^
Cade just won in a place we haven't won in 20 years. He made some incredible plays doing so.
JJ is going to be great but its the Cade show right now. Lets try to enjoy it.
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:18 PM ^
100% this. Although I wouldn't mind having some JJ drives like we saw under the correct circumstances.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:32 PM ^
Cade won in Madison because Wisconsin put up 150 yards of meaningful offense.
If Cade had lost that game he would have run out of town.
Please put in the QB who is more talented and likely to benefit the most from the experience, like every other successful team in CFB does.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:36 PM ^
Please put in the QB who is more talented and likely to benefit the most from the experience, like every other successful team in CFB does.
JJ looks to be great, he's also only attempted 1 pass against Big Ten competition. It's not like he won't develop if he doesn't play as a potential red shirt freshman...why mess up an undefeated formula?
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:38 PM ^
Because STARZZZZ
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:42 PM ^
At this point it’s no long just STARZZZ. Anyone with two eyes can see that McCarthy’s arm strength, accuracy and overall athletic ability are superior to McNamara’s.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:40 PM ^
This isn't a beauty contest. Sure JJ looks better out there from a mechanics standpoint both running and throwing. But, how well does JJ know the playbook? How good is he at going through his progression or reading the defense pre-snap? What is he like as a leader? ... Much more than mechanics behind who should play.
October 3rd, 2021 at 6:06 PM ^
On the flip side, you can have the entire playback memorized, but if you lack the physical traits to throw on target, that knowledge is wasted. Cade is often spot on, but he also has some bad misses.
October 3rd, 2021 at 7:43 PM ^
This is obtuse, how many people expected the offense to put 30+ on a very good defense for Wisconsin? You are acting as though the offense only managed to do just enough to win, they did more than that, they did enough to blow the doors off Wisconsin in non garbage time.
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:25 PM ^
How about we let the coaches decide. A novel idea, I know.
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:28 PM ^
What would my brain do at 3:12am if we do that?
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:47 PM ^
Mine usually reminds me to wake up and pee around that time.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:42 PM ^
That’s what happens to middle aged men. Ask me how I know.
October 3rd, 2021 at 6:45 PM ^
"It's a growing problem, not a going problem."
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:57 PM ^
You mean those professionals that see them EVERY day should decide and not the fans that see them 3.5 hours on Saturday???? Have you lost your nuts??? What tomfoolery are you speaking? Geez get some counseling!!
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:25 PM ^
They both look great. I think JJ has a better playing style for greater wins, but Cade is just too good right now.
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:39 PM ^
There were 3 passes I saw this game that if JJ was in would have been completed because the throw took too long. Cade will start unless he has more Washington style games, but if he doesn't improve there should be no way he starts next year.
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:48 PM ^
Horrible take. Throws took too long? How do you know JJ would have even made the same read. The one ball JJ threw yesterday is a throw Cade has made a half dozen times already. Cade is doing a great job leading the offense.
WTF is wrong with people. Grass is always greener I guess…
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:55 PM ^
See Brady/Henson....
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:48 PM ^
Horrible take. Throws took too long? How do you know JJ would have even made the same read. The one ball JJ threw yesterday is a throw Cade has made a half dozen times already. Cade is doing a great job leading the offense.
WTF is wrong with people. Grass is always greener I guess…
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:56 PM ^
Literally everyone talks about how much faster of a release JJ for fucks sake watch the game. I'm not trashing Cade, but the FACT is JJ gets the ball out faster. Smh
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:15 PM ^
"JJ gets the ball out faster..."
Question. How many sacks has Cade taken this year. Answer. Zero.
Is that not a great measure of a qb getting the ball out fast?
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:37 PM ^
He’s trying to say JJ has more zip on his throws. Which, he does. The Wheel route to Edwards, if thrown at the same time, would have been completed if JJ had thrown it. That ball simply hung up in the air too long and the safety was able to make a play on it. Cade is great at deep throws because putting air under his throws isn’t a negative in that area. But it has held him back in the intermediate passing game at times.
The flip side of that, as mentioned, is there’s no way of knowing whether JJ would have made the same read in the same amount of time. But if the question is between which QB has more zip on his throws and whose ball gets there quicker, the answer is certainly JJ. Now that doesn’t inherently mean JJ is a better QB, but there’s certainly moments where you need more zip on the throws than Cade has put on them.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:02 PM ^
I think that this all true, and what is also true is that I don't want a freshman quarterback to have to face Ohio State and Michigan State except under the most benign circumstances.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:26 PM ^
Don’t know which 3 you’re talking about, but several of Cade’s incompletions were on the receivers - Baldwin not sitting down against a zone, CoJo dropping one and failing to adjust to a deep ball in the 1st quarter. There are probably others, but those are all I can recall right now
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:57 PM ^
Never seen a fan base get so butt hurt over truths about a decent QB.
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:57 PM ^
Never seen a fan base get so butt hurt over truths about a decent QB.
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:04 PM ^
Uh, you're the one screaming incoherently like a five year old when a single person dares to contradict you. Tone it down, Pacino.
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:20 PM ^
No. This is a fanbase that constantly screeches for the backup QB, stating them as "clearly better." You and TC are falling into that trap.
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:28 PM ^
Cade had a really solid performance on the road against an outstanding defense. He's undefeated as a starter, hasn't turned the ball over yet, avoids drive-killing sacks, and hits big passing plays when we need them. Let's not do the Milton thing where we get drunk on potential. JJ will have his time.
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:20 PM ^
There is no comparison between Milton and McCarthy. Are Michigan fans really so used to and expecting mediocrity that they can’t see the difference? Milton was a borderline recruit who had a strong arm but was considered, from the beginning, to be a project. As we have seen, McCarthy has the tools and skills of a 5 Star. Why does everyone think OSU has been pasting Michigan for years? Guess what? It isn’t coaching. It’s been OSU’s stockpile of elite talent. We’ve already seen enough to know that McCarthy is legit. His tools are far better than McNamara’s. That’s not a knock on McNamara, who’s a capable college QB. It’s just a fact. It’s the coach’s job to play the best players, even if it means replacing someone who hasn’t done anything wrong. It’s why Saban replaced Championship QB Hurts with Tua. Harbaugh knows this and the move is coming.
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:30 PM ^
And if Harbaugh makes that move, it will be at the right time for the right reasons. It may happen. Not stating that it won't. But YOU have no idea whether JJ is ready yet. That is my point. And Cade is definitely ready.
As for your other point:
It isn’t coaching. It’s been OSU’s stockpile of elite talent.
Both points are contrary to what a fairly larger number of armchair QBs have been saying! WOnder if you have been one of them but have no interest in going through your posting history to find out! I see enought of you in every thread Mrs McCarthy!
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:28 PM ^
Keep in mind that you are responding to a previously banned user.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:56 PM ^
I apologize for disagreeing with a fairly larger number of armchair quarterbacks.
October 3rd, 2021 at 6:47 PM ^
Says the guy being the armchair qb
October 3rd, 2021 at 7:16 PM ^
You deserve to be banned just for your monumental lack of self-awareness.
October 3rd, 2021 at 5:28 PM ^
When was the last time OSU started a true freshman at QB? Braxton Miller when they went 6-6? You don't bench your starter based on the unrealized potential of a backup. That was the point of the Milton comment. I wasn't insinuating that JJ = Milton.
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:32 PM ^
"Reading the room" is apparently a quickly vanishing skill.
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:32 PM ^
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. There could potentially be a point where you need to bring in JJ for whatever reason but you cross that bridge when you get there.
October 3rd, 2021 at 4:21 PM ^
I'll add that it's great to see the coaches finding meaningful snaps for J.J. while games are still competitive.
As he continues to improve, they should continue finding those opportunities for real game experience with the 1s, while Cade remains the starter due to his ability to lead the team down the field.
I wouldn't alternate drives or quarters or anything like that. It's too much psychological pressure, and besides, Cade has been really good for us leading the offense.
But sharing a few snaps for talent development purposes and because J.J. brings a bit of a different element when he's on the field, does really make a lot of sense in this situation.
October 3rd, 2021 at 3:35 PM ^
Again? Good grief......