Burgergate: More info from Chris Balas on the level 1 sins of Jim Harbaugh
You can't make this stuff up.
Chris Balas is stating in The Fort message board...
"the reason Jim got a Level One, apparently, is because two committed recruits stopped by during COVID for an impromptu visit and he took them to the Brown Jug for a Jug burger in the morning. They found a receipt, but I guess he wasn't completely honest about it."
https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/morning-report-and-this-is-classic.846005/#post-14134633
January 6th, 2023 at 12:10 PM ^
When I was in college (Miami of Ohio (Out of State Tuition made UM a pipe dream)) I worked for the University. We would get paid Tuesday. They did that thinking it would make it less likely for the college kids to go out drinking with their whole paycheck lol.
January 6th, 2023 at 12:17 PM ^
Boy were they wrong.
January 6th, 2023 at 12:30 PM ^
Boy, you are correct! One of the biggest bars had drink specials on Tuesday nights b/c of it. Outside of the weekends, Tuesdays became the biggest bar nights while I was there!
January 6th, 2023 at 1:04 PM ^
the beauty of college is also scheduling your courses. Especially taking wednesday's off!
January 6th, 2023 at 12:22 PM ^
My Dad worked for a place that held their single employee's paychecks until Monday for the same reason. Back in the 1960s.
Us younger folk think we have it so bad. We have no idea what we are talking about.
January 6th, 2023 at 12:29 PM ^
Eh. Progress has certainly been made since the 60s. That doesn't mean that people can't keep advocating for more improvements.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:37 AM ^
I understand this reference
January 6th, 2023 at 11:40 AM ^
There should be an NCAA investigation into why this comment doesn't have more likes!
January 6th, 2023 at 11:34 AM ^
Pound sand NCAA
January 6th, 2023 at 11:34 AM ^
All I can say is "Wow, NCAA."
January 6th, 2023 at 11:34 AM ^
I wish he and Ward had just told the NCAA, "yeah, I did it, suk it you corrupt idiots!"
January 6th, 2023 at 11:34 AM ^
strike the TCU game from the record books for all time. it never happened.
January 6th, 2023 at 12:22 PM ^
Please.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:35 AM ^
The receipt thing is dumb and who cares who paid, but weren't the rules (understandably) strict that no in-person contact was allowed during covid?
January 6th, 2023 at 11:37 AM ^
Thanks Debbie Downer
January 6th, 2023 at 11:49 AM ^
Debbie downer?
I'm asking a genuine question.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:52 AM ^
Cmon, coaches got caught on wire taps buying players before NIL with the fbi involved and they got nothing.
your question is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. You know the answer, no need to be a concern troll on this bullshit.
January 6th, 2023 at 4:01 PM ^
Concern troll?
It seems relevant to actually discuss what's being accused. The accusation is that UM illegally had in-person contact with recruit(s) during the COVID shutdown and then the HC (Harbaugh) lied to investigators.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:39 AM ^
Who the fuck cares anymore about the NCAA and their dumbass rules. They lost all credibility when they did nothing to Kansas and Arizona when the FBI was involved.
If Harbaugh gets burned on this in any way, watch the NCAA collapse when other schools finally wake up to say "If they did this to Michigan, who actually attempts to play by the rules in a general way, why the fuck are we following the NCAA at all?"
I really do see this as being the final straw that the NCAA goes away for.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:57 AM ^
They only do it to the teams that "play by the rules," that way the teams that don't can't just laugh in their face and show the world how impotent they are.
January 6th, 2023 at 12:05 PM ^
Blue Collar, you are again 1000% correct. The message the NCAA sends is, if you flout the rules because you don't give AF about them, you're fine; if you try to respect the rules but have a foot fault, you're going to get lit up. Better to not give AF, sadly.
January 6th, 2023 at 1:23 PM ^
Many people do not understand the handcuffs NCAA "compliance" operates with. Compliance is basically voluntary because the NCAA has no real power over an individual school, other than participation in Championship events. I used to defend this because the arrangement college leaders and the NCAA created a long time ago was/is ridiculous.
That said, there is no role for the NCAA in it's current format anymore. Only punishing the schools who are willing to adhere to the archaic agreement of self governance is a complete joke at this point. If the NCAA will not use the one power they have, preventing teams from participating in championship events (except D1 football the CFP owns that) then their is no purpose. LSU, Kansas, Arizona should have received minimum of 4 year bans from the NCAA basketball tournament for what the FBI provided as evidence. The NCAA couldn't prevent them from playing during the regular season, but they could have prevented their participation in March Madness. They didn't dare do it for many reasons, but none of them are excusable.
Blow it all up, create a new model. Until then, screw the NCAA.
January 6th, 2023 at 12:08 PM ^
This whole question is irrelevant! The 'no contact' rule means that coaches can't contact players. It does not mean that players can't contact coaches. And it hasn't stopped Saban from 'bumping into' players while he visited the college counselor at their high schools. It's completely and utterly bullshit.
January 6th, 2023 at 1:24 PM ^
The local Waffle House knows not to provide a receipt to Saban.
January 6th, 2023 at 12:39 PM ^
I guarantee you there's dozens (if not hundreds) of other programs that have done something like this or worse during COVID. Let alone all of the blatant tampering going on right now.
It's insane to me that you can get hammered for lying but if you simply stonewall and say nothing they are just like "alright then, carry on."
January 6th, 2023 at 4:02 PM ^
Oh, for sure. I'm sure a bunch of programs did it. It just is funny how this board has completely altered the facts of this situation to fit the narrative they want.
January 6th, 2023 at 12:45 PM ^
Please clarify “during Covid”. As far as the federal government is concerned, Covid is still ongoing. If the Jug was open for lunch, then it seems reasonable to go have some lunch.
Lunch “during Covid”??!! Why didn’t Harbaugh take them golfing in the middle of a lightening storm while smoking cigarettes wearing oxygen and then go Bentley shopping afterwards! It’s amazing any of them made it out alive.
If the NCAA wasn’t such a hilarious joke, no one would talk about them anymore. This is all so fucking stupid.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:35 AM ^
NCAA: We know multiple institutions have thrown bags of cash at recruits and provided other legally questionable benefits but dammit Jim, how do you explain buying committed recruits a burger?
JH: I have no comment.
NCAA: Ever heard of SMU?
January 6th, 2023 at 11:36 AM ^
It would have been a Level II but Jim got them a side of fries with the burger thus raising the severity of the violation.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:50 AM ^
Thank god he didn’t get them a bagel… WITH CREAM CHEESE!
January 6th, 2023 at 11:38 AM ^
So we can point the NIL Money Cannon at NCAA Athletes but if a coach buys them a $20 Burger when they are already committed, he gets in trouble even if he gets cranky or forgetful about the event?
January 6th, 2023 at 11:49 AM ^
A burger at the jug costs 20 bucks? Talk about inflation. Those burgers don't look like they came from the jug.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:39 AM ^
The NCAA hammered Charleston Southern, declaring 32 players ineligible for a game because they used leftover scholarship money that was intended to purchase books to instead pay for school supplies.
UNC long ago conceded it was guilty, acknowledging that it committed "academic fraud" when it was being investigated by a regional accrediting agency. More than 3,000 students, nearly half scholarship athletes, took classes in which no attendance was mandatory. All the kids had to do was turn in a paper or two.
Many of the papers were plagiarized. Most were graded by a secretary, not a professor, who admitted she didn't read whole pages of many papers. Most received "A" or "B" grades.
Instead of cooperating with the NCAA, UNC spent $18 million defending itself. Shamelessly, the school revisited the previous admission of "academic fraud" and declared it a "typo." It doggedly contended that the NCAA had no right to sanction the school for allowing athletes to take sham courses because the courses were available to all students.
NCAA officials responded forcefully, saying that the classes were their concern and arguing that they had the power to level sanctions. But in the end, an NCAA panel reluctantly reversed course and agreed with the folks in Chapel Hill that it could do nothing to penalize an institution for 18 years of academic fraud.
The NCAA that earlier this year, declared a Central Florida placekicker ineligible because he was posting, and profiting from, YouTube videos.
Just months after the NCAA sanctioned Louisville for holding sex parties for teenage basketball recruits, an FBI investigation revealed that sports apparel giant Adidas was sending payoffs to high school kids if they would commit to particular teams – the Cardinals being one of them. The program will pay a $5,000 fine and take a minor reduction in available recruiting days, as well as two years of probation. The hearing panel determined no violation by former head coach No. 1 [Pitino] occurred given that he demonstrated he promoted an atmosphere of compliance.”
January 6th, 2023 at 11:50 AM ^
Never forget the UNC situation. Never. That shows how corrupt that place. I can understand at least some of the many athletic dept stuff one hears about (bagmen, cars. etc) but this required the collusion of deans, president, and many others.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:41 AM ^
Those were some tasty burgers.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:42 AM ^
Honestly, the response to the NCAA should be that we will self-impose a fine in the amount of the burgers purchased and announce this at a major press conference.
Jim should then also state that he is making a personal donation to food banks that serve underprivileged kids in the Detroit metro area so they can have all the fucking burgers they want.
If they want to die on this hill, so be it.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:45 AM ^
did Jim submit the receipt for reimbursement? Don't do it next time.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:45 AM ^
And yet the NCAA can't be bothered to punish UNC for a complete lack of institutional control in letting its basketball players waltz through classes meant for kindergarteners.
While the NCAA is a spineless organization, I think they more actively go after programs that they historically have seen can't/won't stand up to them or thumb their noses at them. Michigan is one of them. The NCAA has no credibility but they have to make it look like they do, so when they can put out a headline saying they instituting violations on big bad Michigan, it at least creates some semblance of an illusion that they're in control. Because historically, Michigan has not fought back on these kinds of infractions. Meanwhile, even if they go after, say, Kansas basketball, they know Bill Self and that program are going to take those infractions, use them for toilet paper, and go about their day.
Honestly if this is the stuff that made Harbaugh want to leave for the NFL, who among us can really blame him? I have to imagine its easier to deal with Goodell and an NFL owner than this, and THAT is saying something.
January 6th, 2023 at 1:10 PM ^
Like I said elsewhere, publicly call on the NCAA to be investigated for RICO charges by selectively enforcing rules with the intention of fixing games and outcomes. See how they like being investigated.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:45 AM ^
Good lord this is just getting dumb.
By the way, if you want to see how various other fanbases are trying to whitewash their own programs' far more serious transgressions, check out this article by noted Buckeye Ari Wasserman at The Athletic. It's a whole lotta words to say "everyone cheats and thus every rule break is equally bad" but here's a kicker of a paragraph:
Regardless of what we were all led to believe about the “Tattoo-gate” scandal that is now more than a decade old, here’s the abridged version of what happened. There was a group of Ohio State football players — one was Pryor, a high-profile quarterback — who were selling their personal possessions for cash and/or services such as free tattoos. When the NCAA caught wind of this, it interviewed Tressel, and he was less than honest about his understanding of the situation and what his players were doing. It may have been misguided, but it was Tressel’s nature to shield his team from the irrational scope of the NCAA, even if it meant lying.
I ask anyone to look at the actual history of Tressel at OSU (and before at Youngstown St.) and see how many times guys got paid, guys broke obvious NCAA rules, etc. and Tressel wound up not knowing about it, or only finding out about it later after said player had no more eligibility, etc. I'm on team "pay players their worth" but OSU got busted for 8 violations only last year for basically what UM did and nobody gave a shit then.
January 6th, 2023 at 12:14 PM ^
I saw that yesterday and laughed.
Should everyone just ignore the paper trail emails from the tattoo magnate warning Tressel before he lied and said he knew nothing?
January 6th, 2023 at 12:56 PM ^
Per this article, absolutely. He just cared so darn much about his darn players and that team he wasn't going to (checks notes) report them for breaking multiple NCAA rules and possibly being involved in a known drug dealer's money laundering endeavor.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:47 AM ^
Michigan should tell the NCAA to take a hike. This is farcical. Let them know they have exactly as much authority as institutions like Michigan let them have
January 6th, 2023 at 11:48 AM ^
So it's literally a Nothing Burger - note: dictionary definition of literally...
January 6th, 2023 at 12:00 PM ^
The nothing burger was fine. The violation was the added cheese that made a cheese nothing burger.
January 6th, 2023 at 12:52 PM ^
Jim was watching his figure but I believe both recruits had double nothing burgers with cheese because both “had large frames to hang more weight”.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:48 AM ^
The NCAA chased Beilein away, I'll be pissed if it chases Harbaugh away too.
January 6th, 2023 at 11:52 AM ^
OH EM GEE, FIRE EVERYBODY
This is worse than that time players were given forbidden cream cheese or butter (I forget which) for their bagels.
Self-imposed death penalty in 3 .. 2 .. 1
January 6th, 2023 at 11:54 AM ^
I'm on team tell them to kick rocks. Force the issue.
It's going to happen sooner or later, this may as well be the catalyst,