Bill Connelly on Army's cut blocking & NCAA rule changes
In 2018, the NCAA responded to complaints about cut blocking in the triple option offense by barring blocks below the waist 5 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. This led Army to receive more 15-yard penalties for illegal blocks in 2018 than they had received in previous seasons.
That season, Bill Connelly posted a great analysis of the rule changes and the NCAA politics around player safety and cut blocking.
Connelly's bottom line:
Every team uses at least a few option principles, but six FBS teams have primarily run the triple option in recent years. Four — Army, Navy, Air Force, and Georgia Tech — have been more committed than anyone else to the flexbone. Offensive success rates for those four:
- 2017: 46.5 percent
- 2018: 44.3 percent, while facing lots of weak defenses through Week 3
The difference gets starker if you just include the service academies. It gets less stark if you throw in New Mexico and Georgia Southern, which run somewhat different offenses.
So far, there appears to be a slight dip under the expanded rules. We’ll see if it becomes a long-term trend. If it does, the different blocking requirements will have played a role.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:06 PM ^
i've always wondered how teams that cut block like this avoid serious injuries to themselves and other teams. just seems like that technique, no matter how well-practiced, runs the risk of taking out a knee. maybe an actual football person can explain more about it?
September 5th, 2019 at 12:09 PM ^
Not sure what the hell the OP is saying but it really is simple. They dive at players knees. That may not be a deliberate intent to injure but that doesn't matter much if it's your knees getting cut Officials should fucking enforce the rules.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:13 PM ^
They're saying that since the NCAA changed the rule to be more inclusive of cut blocking penalties, those teams have had less offensive success (or at least, they did through part of last season). Here's a decent writeup before last season about what changed: https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/8/30/17472936/block-below-waist-rule-ncaa
September 5th, 2019 at 12:34 PM ^
Linemen with initial position completely inside the tackle box may legally dive at players knees inside the tackle box until the ball leaves the tackle box.
Officials ARE fucking enforce the rules. You just don't like or understand the rules.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:50 PM ^
They should enforce the rules, just like they should enforce the PI and holding rules. Unfortunately, just like PI and holding, they're only going to call a few each game, even if it happens every play.
September 5th, 2019 at 1:40 PM ^
You have no idea what you're talking about. Cutting isn't just diving at the knees, and you can still cut within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. You could never just run up on someone and dive from the side. And there's no statistical evidence whatsoever that a proper cut block is more dangerous than a regular block. Football is a dangerous game, and somehow teams that play Army, Navy, and Air Force don't have half of their DL go to the injury report the following week.
September 5th, 2019 at 3:18 PM ^
Really? You really don't know? Wow.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:10 PM ^
Just hope nobody gets injured on Saturday.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:10 PM ^
Listening to all the talking heads we have ZERO chance against Army
September 5th, 2019 at 1:15 PM ^
Who are the talking heads and zero chance at what? Covering the spread? Losing? Both teams spontaneously breaking out in the macarena during the first media timeout?
September 5th, 2019 at 3:20 PM ^
Yeah, that 3rd one does seem to carry a fairly low probability of actually occurring.
September 6th, 2019 at 7:31 AM ^
Can we petition for that third one to actually haopen
September 5th, 2019 at 5:12 PM ^
Huh? I haven't heard that at all. Who is saying that?
September 5th, 2019 at 12:10 PM ^
Listening to all the talking heads we have ZERO chance against Army
September 5th, 2019 at 2:57 PM ^
It makes no more sense the second time they said it.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:21 PM ^
The coaches in there, spcecifically the GT coach says blocking below the waist is no more dangerous if it’s done within 5 yards or beyond 5 yards. I agree if the difference is like a foot or two or even a yard. But the difference between 2 yards downfield and 8 yards is significant. The blockers are building up more speed when they dive at the defenders legs. So that statement I disagree with.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:34 PM ^
Pretty much this. When you're playing on the line most of the 200 thoughts flying through your head are dealing with where the hit is coming from. Someone rolling at your legs isn't a huge surprise. Upfield, you're focusing on the assignment and only mildly concerned about a block coming from a non-play side.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:23 PM ^
The last thing we need right now is another DT getting dinged-up on full-fledged hurt due cut blocking.
I am also skeptical of Dwumfour playing in this game, despite assurances from coaches this week that he is "good to go." On O'Hara's TD run in the first quarter last week, Dwumfour was one of the two guys who got to O'Hara before O'Hara was able to escape. Part of the reason he was able to escape was due to Dwumfour coming out of the scrum really clutching hard at a hand / arm (1:33 - 1:36 of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OVPzFtjKHo).
It's hard to see on the right edge of the frame, but Dwumfour looked to be hurt and if memory serves me correctly (haven't made it thru a full re-watch yet) did not return to the game. I am nervous about his health for this season and how much he is actually able to play.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:30 PM ^
I have learned to not believe anything a coach says about injuries. Not just our coaches, any coaches. It is completely possible that Jeter and Dwumfour are both complete no-goes this weekend and the declaration that they are good to go is gamesmanship.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:42 PM ^
Harbaugh overall has been surprisingly candid when talking about injuries. It's that he declines to answer a lot that gives him the reputation of of being misleading, but when he actually answers, it's usually accurate.
September 5th, 2019 at 3:04 PM ^
Umbig11 confirmed that Jeter is 100%, Dwumfour is not 100% but can still play FWIW
September 5th, 2019 at 2:30 PM ^
Yep, it sure looked like MD had the QB wrapped up and had to let him go due that hand injury.
I think he was in for all of 2 plays?
September 5th, 2019 at 12:28 PM ^
Sweep the legs.
Do you have a problem with that?
September 5th, 2019 at 12:54 PM ^
If do right....CAN defend.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:55 PM ^
Sensei, I can beat this guy
September 5th, 2019 at 12:55 PM ^
SENSEI! NO, SENSEI!
September 5th, 2019 at 1:39 PM ^
So then our best defense is to all line up in a crane stance, and as soon as Army hikes the ball, kick them in the face. Correct?
September 5th, 2019 at 12:32 PM ^
STOP. PLAYING. SERVICE. ACADEMIES.
You can celebrate your pseudo-jingoistic pregame festivities against another tomato can where the military can be invited for free etc.
September 5th, 2019 at 2:27 PM ^
That's a pretty solid argument.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:35 PM ^
Can we beat them playing our 2nd team defense? If so, that's what we should do.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:46 PM ^
Any lasting injury to the DTs could be a disaster for the season. Let's hope we get through this game healthy!
September 5th, 2019 at 12:45 PM ^
As someone who was an undersized OL in high school, I used to cut block all of the time. If done properly, you aren't diving at the person's knees. It's more at their ankles. Just trying to trip them up. I'm not saying that there aren't people taught to take out knees, but that certainly isn't how I was instructed.
For me, it was very effective tool in dealing with DT's much larger and stronger than I was. There was definitely an art to it. Have to time it right so they don't just jump over you. I would bet if you watched these teams closely, you would notice that more often than not, they aren't going after the knees.
September 5th, 2019 at 1:53 PM ^
Thanks for the insight. Your point brings to light how this can work without intent to injure. I still hate the practice as the alternatives on a miss are 1) you lose and your QB gets pressured or 2) you cut the knees, increasing risk of injury. To me, any technique where 2/3 of the outcome options are failure doesn't seem sound.
September 5th, 2019 at 2:25 PM ^
The OLine may not always be targeting the knees but they end up as collateral damage with this type of blocking.
Once a player lowers his helmet, dives, or leaves his feet to block, his vision and trajectory aren’t always clear...simply diving at someone with the intention of cutting them down is not a proper way to block, imo.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:51 PM ^
M will win and it'll be fine. 27-13 or something.
Just hoping for no major DL injuries.
September 5th, 2019 at 12:55 PM ^
How is cut blocking any different than targeting as far as the potential for injury?
September 5th, 2019 at 3:00 PM ^
For one, knees injuries aren't on the level of seriousness as head injuries. They can end careers, but head injuries can ruin lives.
For two, a cut block isn't that dangerous as long as both players play with sound technique. It's not really any different than trying to tackle someone low. Occasionally, you have things like the Newsome injury happen because he just happened to be planting that leg as it's being cut and hyperextending the knee while it's under load, but generally the defender is unweighting his legs and trying to shove the cut blocker down with his arms. Where it's dangerous is where he's engaged with someone else and can't unweight his legs, but that's why such a block (chop block) is illegal.
September 5th, 2019 at 4:53 PM ^
You just had to bring physics and logic to the discussion.
September 5th, 2019 at 3:19 PM ^
Air Force runs the same offense and utilizes the same cut blocking scheme as Army. We played them in 2017 and didn't suffer any D-line injuries.
September 5th, 2019 at 6:07 PM ^
Are there any stats on what the increase (if any) in injury rate is for teams playing triple option teams / flexbone offenses vs. any other types of offense?