Better UM coach: Harbaugh or Carr

Carr is the best M coach since Bo until someone beats Ohio State with some regularity and wins a national championship.

Carr won a national title...that's hard to beat. However, he never had to deal with a program as strong as Urban Meyer OSU. They're pretty similar as coaches to be honest. The trophy case leads me to lean Carr. It's tough because I think Harbaugh would've dominated in Carr's era and I don't think I would say the opposite. It's a very close comparison.

Carr won big games and the 'Natty, Harbaugh potentially is the better coach but I'm still waiting for bigger results, I'm hopeful.

In my opinion the crowd that doesn’t understand the disdain for Lloyd by many inside the base also doesn’t understand the recent history of the program, nor does it put true perspective on what Lloyd actually accomplished.

The National Championship run was special, but it also gave Carr too much credit. He took over a program that Bo had completely rebuilt over decades and because he fell into the sweet spot of that aftermath created by it and the Bo culture that was expected to be continued by Gary that once he got the job handed to him --because that’s exactly what happened— he was just good enough and surrounded by enough (think Woodson for example because generational talent doesn’t grow on trees) that he saw some pretty decent success. 

But despite that success it was Carr who ultimately drove this program into the abyss.

Do NOT forget it was Care who let App State happen on his watch.. Lloyd’s  inability to see long term, his unwillingness to adapt and his lazy approach to recruiting and cultural framework within that by the time he’d lost the app state game he had absolutely dug a hole that couldn’t be dug out of so easily and that any coach taking over was going to have trouble with what was left in place.. Let alone a guy like RR who was trying to put in a system that didn’t work with our personnel. The last thing Rodriguez needed was less help.

Also he wasn’t supportive of the program from behind the scenes with the Rodriguez hire before he’d even stepped on campus and he was very much a part of the defections that happened as well as not quieting the dissent, or at least helping quiet it.. instead pissing and moaning like a damn sourpuss while we went into a tailspin culturally.. which basically helped in the creation of the fanbase fracturing.

Carr isn’t the devil, but he is not the great coach who just happened to get old and “lost his way” as the times changed in college football. He was the caretaker of Michigan football and he failed at the job as far as I’m concerned.

And no matter what trophies that Jimmy doesn’t have and Lloyd does it’s irrelevant because Jimmy didn’t walk into a ready made powerhouse in an era of football like Lloyd did. 

I’d have to imagine that if Harbaugh took over a program like the one Bo left in place in the damn 90s then Jimmy would be a lot more successful than Carr ever dreamed of. 

Lloyd didn’t have to rebuild a dumpster fire and let’s be real here Michigan football was in terrible shape when Jim Harbaugh took over. 

It's not a fair comparison. Carr accomplished a great amount for the program, and is retrospectively undervalued. Harbaugh, I am sorry to say, just has not done much at all. Maybe he will, but now he is unproven, and I think has underperformed. 

Easy. Carr and it’s not close. National championships, Big Ten championships, Rose Bowls. Dominated Sparty and did well against OSU until the last few years. Carr was a fantastic coach. 

Harbaugh has had some bad breaks, but he needs some championships before he  can be comparable to Carr. Carr had a sluggish few years before the NC. I’m optimistic Harbaugh can still get us some championships, but I think he needs to recapture his fire. When is the last time he ripped on a ref? The team respected him more when he did that. 

If we are being purely hypothetical. Then Fielding Yost.

Harbaugh doesn’t even come close. Carr won 1 national championship and 5 big ten championships 5 BCS bowl appearances beat osu 6 times, msu 10 times and Notre dame 5 times all in 13 years. 

2007 Harbaugh is better than both.  2017-?? Harbaugh compares well with 2007 Carr in the regular season.  Carr is better than what Harbaugh brings in bowl games.  

Carr so far....he had a national title at this point. 

Both have allowed unnecessarily conservative offenses to screw themselves out of winning more, though. 

Harbaugh.  

Lloyd won the National Championship when Moeller's best recruiting class were seniors.  

Lloyd had the luxury of having Bo maintain the culture.  The cult of personality in Ann Arbor was so great that when Bo died the wheels came off subsequently losing the next four games.  Including the Horror and the lost decade that followed.  Someone with more patience than me can tell you what the record for Michigan was after Bo's death and the interregnum until Harbaugh was hired.  

Harbaugh has the unenviable task of trying rebuild a culture. 

2016, Harbaugh is a lousy officiating crew (and one bad spot) away from going to the B1G championship and possibly (probably) the cfp.  

I think Harbaugh would be given a looser leash if THE™O$U didn't have the den of cheating scoundrels be so successful.  Which has only been exacerbated with the early success of Ryan Day.  

Not even close. What has Harbaugh won. 0-4 against OSU. no big ten titles. 

Harbaugh but I see the argument for Carr.

I just felt like we lost so may games when Carr was coach when we had superior talent.  When I think about some of the talent we wasted in the 90's it is maddening.  Harbaugh had to do a mini-rebuild.  We had 3 losing seasons in 7 years and only one 10 win season during that time.  I'm pretty frustrated right now but I just trust Harbaugh more in games where he has the talent advantage or things are even.  

By results on the field so far obviously Carr.  But, Carr inherited a successful program and had lots of talent when he walked in the door.  Harbaugh walked into a culture that had been wandering in the woods for the better part of a decade.

I think it will be more fair to compare them in years 5-10 which obviously is just beginning for Harbaugh.  Also, what shape did they leave the program after their tenure.

For today's game of football, Harbaugh - by a country mile.  Carr would still be playing by Mike DeBord's offensive rules, and his defense would still be a rigid 4-3 with LB's that weigh 250 and run a 4.9 40.  His team would be 0-2 right now, unable to cope with MTSU's spread out spread and bludgeoned to death by an Army team he was unprepared for.  I love Carr, and give him more respect than he generally gets on this board.  But today's game passed him by over a decade ago...

Back in Carr's day, I'll take Carr - by a country mile.  Harbaugh was completely unproven and far more likely to bust than anything else.  Just the way it is with new coaches.

All that aside, your question sucks ass while asking people to shit on one to praise the other.  Fuck off.

Is this even a question?

national championship > 0-4 against OSU and a single “shared” division title.