B1G vote to cancel was 8-6 (not 12-2)?
I have no idea if this is true, but it sounds more likely. See source:
https://twitter.com/TimBrando/status/1295040363661533187?s=20
I'm not sure if it matters, but if this is true, it does change perceptions some. It is clear that it was not a mostly unanimous decision. I'd love to know who voted for what.
August 17th, 2020 at 10:11 AM ^
Good job, Lahey, ya drunk bastard.
August 17th, 2020 at 10:14 AM ^
I AM the liquor
August 18th, 2020 at 7:33 AM ^
Can we just get drunk and eat chicken fingers?
August 17th, 2020 at 9:22 AM ^
I voted once... all my friends went away.
August 17th, 2020 at 9:24 AM ^
Was Warren the source of the numbers? If not where did Brando get the number?
August 17th, 2020 at 11:39 AM ^
Why are you still trying to blame Warren for the season being shut down? It says the vote was 8-6.
August 17th, 2020 at 12:57 PM ^
I don’t know how responsible he is, but he’s certainly a hypocrite for preaching “safety” in the Big Ten while allowing his son to play football at Mississippi State. I guess there is no Covid in Mississippi?
August 17th, 2020 at 1:07 PM ^
That would definitely make him a hypocrite.
August 17th, 2020 at 7:42 PM ^
Not sure if he can "allow" his son to do anything if he's not a minor, but if he's encouraging him, as his comments earlier in the month would tend to indicate, it's a pretty bad look.
August 17th, 2020 at 9:25 AM ^
If I had to guess based on the blow back I'd say the following schools voted to play....
Michigan
OSU
PSU
Nebraska
Iowa
Purdue
Everyone else was a NO. AGAIN, this is just a guess if that vote count of 8-6 is even true......
August 17th, 2020 at 9:59 AM ^
I don't know the vote. It would be surprising if Michigan voted to play. President Schlissel has a professional medical background and has been cautious in his messaging and decision making, emphasizing health and safety, in starting the university campus life this Fall.
August 17th, 2020 at 10:35 AM ^
I think MusicCityMaize is right. Pres. Schlissel is a scientist, which means he follows the evidence.
Though he's not immune to political pressure or desires in the athletic department, he's got bigger concerns than games, however important we think they are, and he's got larger responsibilities.
August 17th, 2020 at 10:48 AM ^
If he followed the evidence then he would have come to the same conclusion the ACC, SEC and Big12 experts did, not the clumsy findings of a discredited study.
But we don't know how he voted.
August 17th, 2020 at 11:19 AM ^
Everyone is looking at the same evidence. The only difference between the conferences playing is they are willing to accept the risk of something horrible happening
August 17th, 2020 at 1:02 PM ^
If schools are really concerned about “something horrible happening” they’ll send their students home.
The idea that it’s safe to have 50,000 students on campus but unsafe to have 100 of them playing football (with regular monitoring) is absurd. This is 100% about PR and liability.
August 17th, 2020 at 1:15 PM ^
I'm curious, what is the evidence that college football players are at more risk of contracting - and becoming ill from - COVID if they play football compared to them simply being on campus with no more monitoring than the average student?
The average college student isn't at much risk of hospitalized from this to begin with (people under 25 make up 22% of cases in Washtenaw, but only 1% of hospitalizations, are 0% of deaths). Now you add to that a context where athletes are regularly tested and moreover, understand that a positive COVID test possibly keeps them sidelined for a month. How does that context actually put them at greater risk?
Don't share that awful "5 Big Ten athletes have myocarditis which just might possibly be related to COVID" article, that was journalistic malpractice.
August 17th, 2020 at 2:21 PM ^
Wow, do you also support QAnon? The study has been in no way discredited, unless you count a random tweet by one doctor who quibbled with just one element among many.
And you trust the “experts” at SEC schools over those at Pac12 and Big 10 schools? The latter two have panels composed of experts from several of the world’s top hospitals, ones that prioritize health over football. They are also in states that demonstrably ignored science and currently have the highest infection rates in the country. Funny how the conferences with better schools- and, as at Michigan, an administration led by a president with world class medical experience - all shut down football. The Ivy League didn’t even blink. But, yeah, let’s trust “the experts” at Auburn and Oklahoma State to make prudent decisions.
Finally, you’re assuming the experts at the other conferences have refuted the Big Ten’s data. They have done no such thing. The SEC, unlike the B10, has shown no data transparency. In fact, the likeliest scenario, according to medical experts, is that the other conferences will eventually shut it down as well, either before or during the season. One big outbreak will end it. And there will be an outbreak.
August 17th, 2020 at 11:01 AM ^
Schlissel, with his medical background, wasn't quick to send the kids home in March not reluctant to bring kids back on campus this fall.
Hippocritic oath maybe?
August 17th, 2020 at 11:20 AM ^
Schlissel closed campus on March 11, the day after the first 2 COVID cases were documented in Michigan
August 17th, 2020 at 12:07 PM ^
Many campuses were already empty when Schlissel acted. With little or no testing available and a major international airport not terribly far away, I suspect there was lots of Covid in Michigan. What subsequently happened in the SE part of the state supports this contention.
August 17th, 2020 at 11:10 AM ^
No. It’s pretty clear that both M and MSU voted not to play. What the football folks have said doesn’t matter. The presidents were pretty clearly against playing because the presidents both defer to science and have similar backgrounds. And they know better than football yahoos.
August 17th, 2020 at 12:03 PM ^
If the vote was really 8-6 it does change my perception of their decision some.
The most obvious no votes are MSU, who asked their students not to return to campus and Rutgers, who have quarantine issues.
August 17th, 2020 at 9:27 AM ^
Interesting.
If the players/parents lawsuit moves forward, might be some very embarrassing/inconvenient stuff the B1G would rather not come out in discovery.
August 17th, 2020 at 9:54 AM ^
Lawsuit? There is a lawsuit to play? What is it based on?
August 17th, 2020 at 10:08 AM ^
"if"
Right now, mostly just speculation on my part. From Chengelis' piece in the DetNews, very many parents are outraged, and there's a great deal of NFL money at stake for their kids. Outrage plus money tends to lead to lawsuits.
August 17th, 2020 at 10:32 AM ^
If's and but's were candy and nuts..... They don't have any grounds to sue on. These kids still are getting a free education. I know the amateurism thing is somewhat of a stretch, but college sports were never invented to give these kids jobs in the pro's.
August 17th, 2020 at 10:34 AM ^
How else does one get drafted into the NFL than by playing college football?
Intended or not, it is the truth.
August 17th, 2020 at 10:39 AM ^
AFAIK, you can enter the NFL draft if you are old enough even if you never enrolled in college.
Also, that's an NFL problem, it does not mean that colleges have an obligation to prepare you for the NFL.
August 17th, 2020 at 12:05 PM ^
There are 32 teams, 53 active roster spots and each team is allowed to keep 12 players on their practice squads, so that's 2080 jobs in the NFL at any given time. There were 354 players drafted in the last NFL draft. The draft isn't the only way to get into the NFL.
August 18th, 2020 at 6:31 PM ^
1) Go to the CFL
2) Play semi-pro straight out of HS
3) Wait 3 years after graduating
August 17th, 2020 at 10:36 AM ^
Parents are "outraged?" I get being disappointed or disagreeing with the decision but "outraged" when taking a cautious approach on health issues seems over the top. "There's money at stake for me for everyone's personal safety can take a backseat to my individual interests" is a viewpoint that seems prevalent.
August 17th, 2020 at 10:40 AM ^
That position would make sense if the the university presidents also canceled in-person & hybrid classes as well as closed all the dorms. They didn't.
August 17th, 2020 at 11:00 AM ^
Those of you who don't understand the parents outrage must not have had kids. Kids are passionate about sports. These young men have prepared their whole lives for this. Thousands of hours, mountains of laundry, countless camps.
They see the same risk everyone else does and it just doesn't bother them like it does you. I drove my sons through snow storms to get to wrestling tournaments. Dealt with concussions, ringworm, staph, impetigo, MRSA, you name it. These parents love their sons, don't try to diminish that by your false moral high ground. The risk is acceptable to them, but not to the university. IMO the Big 10s hyper-caution will become a cautionary tale.
August 17th, 2020 at 11:48 AM ^
Perhaps this will lead to a real change in college athletics, which have vastly gotten out of hand. Doubt it, but maybe.
August 17th, 2020 at 12:50 PM ^
I played sports and I have kids. When something disappointing happened to me growing up, my parents sat me down and had a conversation about life with me. I now do the same thing for my kids.
It's fair to be disappointed, mad, understanding, accepting, etc. The meter often seems default to outrage now for both kids and adults. That's fine when it's racial injustice, wrong doing by leaders, etc. I don't think we need more outrage because people 18 - 22 years old don't get to play college football for most likely one year due to a pandemic where many people have lost their lives or now may live with long term health issues.
For all of the good sports can do, the people who get so wrapped up in that one piece of life really do an injustice to what the true lessons of sport should be.
August 17th, 2020 at 1:12 PM ^
Well, wrong on that. I have three and my son played travel ice hockey for many years and I was all over various states. He is currently in college and I am now dealing with Covid outbreaks all around him. I understand the dedication and the emotion involved. But I think we need to understand that people are making difficult, health-related choices right now, usually with imperfect information. To be outraged that someone is making a decision to protect the welfare of others might be the instant reaction. But if you still feel that way after some contemplation, you need to check yourself a bit IMO.
August 17th, 2020 at 4:10 PM ^
I still feel that way, after significant contemplation. So I checked myself at your suggestion. I am now angrier. Do you have any other suggestions?
August 17th, 2020 at 10:52 AM ^
I don’t know about lawsuits, but I’d imagine the FOIA Requests at the public schools have been flying in. Unfortunately, they’ll probably amount to nothing bc all emails have been deleted or avoided and we’ll be left to speculate.
August 17th, 2020 at 11:43 AM ^
I'm a litigator and work extensively with e-discovery vendors as 99.9% of what we're looking for these days is in emails. I've even been involved with some FOIA litigation with the state of Michigan and some municipalities. Very little is actually ever deleted and cannot be obtained. Just depends on how important it is and how much you want to spend to get it.
Also, do not underestimate how lazy people are. Do not underestimate what people will put in emails.
August 17th, 2020 at 10:19 PM ^
Same. Deal with same issues but from a different angle as a forensic accountant. You would think by now nothing would be in email because you would imagine most people would know practically everything is recoverable. But yeah people are lazy and/or stupid and still put practically everything in email instead of just talking by phone
August 17th, 2020 at 9:28 AM ^
What's worse was that several of those votes were sent via USPS, clearly indicating the existence of a fraudulent election...
August 17th, 2020 at 9:39 AM ^
Saw a postal vehicle on a tow truck the other day. That’s how the ballots are lost. Or are they found that way? Idk. Too many worm holes for my tiny brain.
August 17th, 2020 at 9:29 AM ^
No idea where he gets his info but Brando is on the record and 100% in the "Let them play" camp.
August 17th, 2020 at 9:32 AM ^
Brando is a clown and a terrible announcer... and I wouldn't believe him unless he had notarized receipts of said vote
That said, who cares, the vote happened and the season is not happening. Whether it was 14-0 or 8-6 doesn't really change much
August 17th, 2020 at 9:35 AM ^
Well, Brando doesn't think highly of you either!
August 17th, 2020 at 9:43 AM ^
Logged in to upvote.
August 17th, 2020 at 11:35 AM ^
Let's not revisit The Horror on a Michigan blog.
August 17th, 2020 at 9:33 AM ^
Teddy Greenstein immediately replied to that tweet from Brando saying that Brando's source was wrong and backed up the idea of a more decisive vote. I'm not sure there's a way to really know unless the university presidents all release their votes, but I tend to think of Brando as more of an opinion guy than an actual reporter.