Anybody got a line on this chatter of something bad broiling within the athletic department. Stuff about hockey?
No, not a lurking OSU fan fishing for info, go look at my post history if you must. Ever since this fall any sort of message board ~rumors~ catch my attention more than they should because unfortunately a lot of stuff turns out to have legs. I don't know why or how so many random, unaffiliated people get info before the usual insiders do (especially OSU people what the hell is that about, it's like they've got every admin building wiretapped), but there are rumblings of a lot of egg on the face that will come out. Something about hockey assault accusations? Just in time during our big ten tournament run of course!
They could be STEM degrees.
Once more:
"Two weeks ago I couldn't spell engineer, and now I are one."
Is this a quote from a student in Columbus or Tuscaloosa?
March 12th, 2024 at 10:10 AM ^
Unfortunately it's a message board where my priority in a comment reply isn't on punctuation and capitalization. Unfortunately, it's a message board where people will read an entire post or comment and all they get out of it is the punctuation and capitalization. Unfortunately, the only two required writing related classes required by the business school were a first-year writing class and business communication 250.
March 12th, 2024 at 10:47 AM ^
Unfortunately it's a message board where my priority in a comment reply isn't on punctuation and capitalization.
Raise your game, dude. This is a UM board.
Unfortunately, it's a message board where people will read an entire post or comment and all they get out of it is the punctuation and capitalization.
See my prior comment. Loose writing is correlated with loose thinking.
Unfortunately, the only two required writing related classes required by the business school were a first-year writing class and business communication 250.
Lots of schools have a 250, but I wonder if it was this one: https://reg.msu.edu/Courses/Search.aspx?CourseID=353906
March 12th, 2024 at 11:06 AM ^
All of that searching to come up with an MSU course, yet somehow you missed BCOM 250, ya know, the required business communications class for all BBAs. My offer still stands, send me your contact info, privately of course, and I'll get you proof of attendance. What's interesting tho, is as you scrolled through my post history you seemed to have missed some of my more recent ones. What MSU or OSU fan creates an MGoBlog account to talk about Michigan lacrosse and advocate that there should be game recaps similar to the basketball, hockey, and football.
Why would you feel that you should send someone proof of attendance?
"MY PRIORITY IS NOT IN PROPERLY USING THE ONLY THINGS BEING COMMUNICATED IN THIS TEXT BASED FORUM THAT LACKS TONE OF VOICE AND FACIAL EXPRESSIONS, MY PRIORITY IS TROLLING"
You dont know any morons with grad degrees?
I find that hard to believe
March 12th, 2024 at 10:05 AM ^
Ah yes, blueheron we've interacted before. And yes I did have to preface my post with that because any sort of ask for info or questioning anything bad happening gets a response of "go back to your own board you Ohio State lurker." You certainly seemed worried enough to actually go back and look. So when a person was talking out their ass through blue glasses homerism and questioning me because my join date was "suspicous" (guess nobody was allowed to join during the Stalions shit, only people that have been members for years can partake), I sadly yes had to pull the card that I did indeed go to Michigan. "Invite careful review" lol, I would certainly hope that an audit of MGoBlog membership would show that the majority of people on here did indeed attend Michigan at some point (graduation not required, and sure Dearborn and Flint campuses included). Send hither your contact info Mr. Heron and I'll gladly provide confirmation of attendance.
March 12th, 2024 at 11:08 AM ^
I'm guessing the people downvoting this wouldn't pass the audit. :(
Or they just think you are a whiner...
I think we just found the arrogant asses they were talking about years ago.
So I guess it's either be a blue glasses homer and don't ask questions, or get called a lurking MSU/OSU fan? Not allowed to happily offer to refute somebody trying to drag me through the mud? This guy's allowed to question me and I have to sit back and take it? All because I tried to preface my post so people didn't go "You seem suspicious for asking and wanting to discuss such a topic, you're probably an OSU troll trying to get info."
I've been told it's in regards to a toxic workplace environment within the athletic department. There are many ignored HR complaints within the department and Juwan is one of the main culprits. It will be negative press and a bad look that rivals will try to jam into the NCAA puzzle but it isn't NCAA related.
Am I being a bad fan/alum that I kinda hope what you just posted is true and DOES come out?
Might make us look bad for a bit but it would definitely force our useless tub of goo AD to actually have do....oh I dont know.....DO FUCKING SOMETHING for once?
No, because I think it might also be in line with other data points we have going back a few years...the Pearson report details went into a lot of this, the Sanderson incident suggests it's not an uncommon thing.
Each time, the department weathered the storm, so it would be interesting to see what people would think might move the needle in this regard about new levels of toxic workplace.
". . hockey assault accusations? Just in time during our big ten tournament run of course! "
Since the B1G hockey tournament has already started and nothing has happened, maybe you're referring to the the B1G basketball tournament? Assault allegations to undermine that? We've lived with those for years. The main assaults appear to be by our head coach: on other coaches, team personnel, and now all of UM basketball fans. The bar is low, but will likely be lowered with another season.
March 12th, 2024 at 10:07 AM ^
A "run" meaning we've already won the first round, and since there are only three rounds in the big ten hockey tournament, one could say that winning the first round constitutes a run.
People downvoting this must not be happy we won the first round of the big ten tournament? Would rather have had us get swept by Notre Dame at Yost to fall below 16 in the Pairwise rankings? Are hoping we make the tournament final and then allegations come out the night before?
I’m downvoting for the reason downvotes are intended: I don’t want you to make any more threads. If we can drive your point total low enough then I get my wish. If only there was a way to get you to stop commenting altogether until you have calmed down and quit whining.
March 12th, 2024 at 11:25 PM ^
Quit whining? So I get to let a guy question me and try to drag me through the mud and not have any sort of rebuttal or opportunity to refute him? Just rollover because he went back and screenshotted one of my comments from a post in the fall? Ah he got me! I better just take it!
I've been hearing this shit rumor for over a month. Doubt there's anything to it. Still..........FIRE WARDE!!!!
Wow!!! So Keith nem said it???
Is Harbaugh leaving?
Are we firing Rich Rod, Hoke or Brandon?
A line?
March 12th, 2024 at 10:08 AM ^
It's not a party once the cocaine is gone
Sounds like OSU folks who are still trying to come to terms with the reality that Michigan won a national title despite the fact that they were so sure everything was going to fall apart and the minute the true mastermind that was Conner Stallions got removed from the staff. Now that Michigan won anyway, and just won a national title that isn't going anywhere, they have to fabricate something else that will allow them to tell the world "Don't worry, we will be returning to the 2000 - 2019" good ol' glory days VERY SOON!"
MGrowOld put it best when he said these folks are like scam artist doomsday preppers. Every time they're going to tell you that the end of the world is coming very soon, there's nothing you can do to stop it, and then just like that, nothing happens. Instead of saying "well maybe we were wrong," they ignore it all together and just say "Now its coming on this date, and there's nothing you can do to stop it."
March 12th, 2024 at 10:00 AM ^
Well if it is subterfuge by OSU then we are doing their work for them by talking about it.
March 12th, 2024 at 10:04 AM ^
Can anyone tell me what exact NCAA rules / guidelines were alleged to have been broken?
In Burgergate - Harbaugh / Michigan turned over everything - phone records, emails, etc. An analyst might have worked with a student athlete via Zoom - ok. The NCAA feels Harbaugh could have been more forthcoming - but, about what exactly?
Regarding Advanced Scouting - what outdated rule / guideline is alleged to have been broken?
March 12th, 2024 at 10:43 AM ^
Harbaugh could have been more 'Forthcoming' about copping a plea and begging for forgiveness from their paper tiger authority. That, and the public insistence that athletes at the core of a billion dollar enterprise be treated fairly, put a big X on his back. Michigan is an easy and perpetual target for haters and gossipers.
March 12th, 2024 at 10:56 AM ^
The burger incident was breaking a Covid dead period for face to face contact with a recruit. It’s only a level 2 violation. But the NcAA is claiming Harbaugh lied to them so it became a level 1.
The scouting is a rule about using technology to record sidelines. No idea what level they will be. Probably level 1 somehow.
March 12th, 2024 at 11:09 AM ^
The Burger issue - to my knowledge - is associated with two prospects who had already committed and signed their LOI. And, yes - it was Covid.
As for Advanced Scouting - the rule / guideline (to my understanding) is that a member of the staff cannot use an electronic device to record an opposing team's game. However, nothing is said of "someone else" - a non staff member - doing this. In fact, the NCAA guideline is stated in a manner so the cost of obtaining video images of an opposing team should not be "cost prohibitive". So, someone could record a team - and, make it available to any team that would like it - for the cost of postage.
a member of the staff cannot use an electronic device to record an opposing team's game.
This has been addressed by a lot of people, Seth, Bryan Mac, Raj (the last 2 being lawyers) and the recording rule is clearly for games that you are participating in. As in, Michigan cannot record OSU signs while playing OSU.
The advanced scouting rule has a bunch of holes in it, which is part of the problem/annoyance here. Did Stallions violate the spirit of the rule? Absofuckinglutely. But he didn't break the letter of the law with the exception of the CMU game.
Additionally, if Stallions breaking the spirit of the rule is the line in the sand that's to be drawn, well OSU/Purdue/Rutgers all participated in the same effective scheme. They used each other to coordinate sign stealing of a common opponent in advance.
So - what you're saying is - the rule / guideline wasn't broken - but, the "spirit" of the rule was violated in some manner.
FWIW - I agree with your point completely.
Yeah, this stuff happens. Rules are not set up to account for every possible scenario. It's why the NFL changes their rules every offseason and further clarifies what a catch is. Because when they wrote the first rule, they didn't foresee every possible situation playing out.
I'm fine with punishment for the whole Stallions thing. Harbaugh was suspended for 3 games, 2 of which were the biggest of the year. That's a more severe punishment than coaches who... covered up sexual assault, covered up multiple player arrests, covered up assistant coaches beating their wives, coordinated direct funneling of money from boosters to players, companies to players. I could go on. It's not whataboutism. It's proportional punishment for the violation and the NCAA has never been consistently proportionate.
Woa woa woa! CMU game? WHAT CMU GAME?! I thought that was only alleged.
As far as I know anything about Stalions and CMU is no more true than Craig James killed 5 hookers ALLEGEDLY!
Haha true. I don't know if we'll ever know what happens there. Seems like CMU went quiet and the NCAA hasn't really come up with much after.
March 13th, 2024 at 12:11 AM ^
The burger incident was about Harbaugh allegedly providing illegal benefits to recruits (i.e. the burgers). As it turned out, he didn't buy them burgers, and said so. The burgers were comp'd by the Brown Jug. Harbaugh did, however, charge the tip the players would have paid had they actually bought the burgers to his university credit card (so the servers didn't get stiffed on the tip). Harbaugh didn't recall paying the tip and then it was discovered in his card statement. That was the sum total of the "misleading statements."
The scouting "violation" (which isn't even yet alleged by the NCAA) was that CS paid for film of other teams by having his own people make the film. Buying game film is perfectly legit but staff actually doing the filming is illegal. Unless CS actually attended those games there's nothing there.
The burger incident was dead-period contact. During Covid there was a years long in-person dead contact period and those 2 recruits coming to campus (on their own) and meeting with Harbaugh caused the violations. The LBJ receipt proved he met in-person with 2 guys during that period.
It's still BS. OSU reported 20+ violations including dead period contacts under Day and they self-imposed some recruiting suspensions for assistant coaches for like 2 months. The NCAA didn't do anything else. Then OSU violated more rules 2 years later. NCAA didn't impose more punishments. And unsurprisingly, OSU just reported more violations like 2 weeks ago. So, break rules, self-report them, impose joke punishments, and then repeat. You can keep violating rules for years.
When people scream "cover up" or "scandal" at that, you know they're idiots because dead period contacts are violated constantly and are usually met with milquetoast punishments.
March 12th, 2024 at 11:18 AM ^
The Advanced Scouting rule wasn't technology related, that was one of the ridiculous things that the Pete Thamels of the world were peddling. The ban on in-game recording is for a game you're playing in (which was never alleged here) and is in that section of the rulebook alongside how many players can be on the field and how your uniform has to be worn.
The rule that Stalions broke was just a simple ban on in-person scouting, and the only concrete proof of that we have is the dumb CMU disguise. All of the iPhone recordings are probably a rule violation as well (the spirit of it if nothing else), but it's still a grey area of an outdated rule that was almost abolished a couple of years ago. The only violation of it on record was a Baylor coach who watched a game and got suspended for a half. It dates back to the mid 90's and was supposed to level the playing field when every game wasn't on TV and videotaping a game yourself was a much more difficult/expensive operation.
March 13th, 2024 at 12:14 AM ^
There's no evidence that the guy ion the CMU sideline was Stalions. That guy had hair, and CS shaves his head, so I think it unlikely. Paying for game film is explicitly allowed, and there's no requirement that the film you pay for be made by All-22.
March 12th, 2024 at 10:34 AM ^
Terrible post
March 12th, 2024 at 10:37 AM ^
3:00 at the Bike Rack
ZOMG, assault at Michigan
March 12th, 2024 at 11:05 AM ^
Its crazy I don't follow 1 thing from OSU, honestly, Idc one way or the other.
Yet they're completely obsessed with all things Michigan.
March 12th, 2024 at 12:32 PM ^
Is this the same guy who's not even allowed back at his alma mater?
Of Course Balas, who has absolutely no sources, or insiders is pumping the same thing at his crappy site…..but click back later this week for yet more details! At least I take solace in knowing that Balas has been dead wrong on like everything over the last year ( Harbs contract, sign gate, Herbs staying, etc, etc). On3 is the absolute worse.
Seems like there enough smoke wafting around that its likely theres an article coming out. Supposedly Quinn and supposedly about hockey and basketball culture.
And would anyone really be surprised to learn that Mel and Juwan are/were running toxic workplaces and Warde did nothing about it? That would be completely in line with my expectations for all 3 of them