Answering the really important questions: How far did McCarthy chuck that thing?

Submitted by Collateral Whiz on September 6th, 2021 at 3:35 PM

The game commentator Dan Orlovsky estimated that it went over 50 yards in the air.  MGoBlog's Alex Drain simply said it traveled over 35 yards in the air.  I'm of course talking about JJ McCarthy's 4th quarter "throw heard around the world" to Daylen Baldwin for a 69-yard touchdown against Western Michigan.  So, with estimates ranging that far apart, let's dig into this and find how far it really went.  (Here's the play in question if you want to enjoy it in all its majesty again: Arm Cannon.  Sorry the quality isn't great, and sorry that there's no way I'll figure out how to embed a YouTube video, so I'm not even going to try).  

Here's McCarthy's release point: 

He gets rid of the ball at about the 28-yard line, and is about 5 yards from the right sideline - making him 48 yards from the left sideline.  

Here's where Baldwin catches it.  He's probably at about the 37 and a half-yard line, but I'm just going to say the 38 to keep things simple.  He's approximately 14 yards (though it might even be as close as 12 yards...14 yards is the halfway point between the numbers and the hash) from the left sideline.  That means the ball traveled about 34 yards across the field (48 yards from left sideline to 14 yards), and coincidentally, 34 yards down the field (28-yard line to the 38-yard line).  So, now that we know that, we can use our 10th grade geometry lessons to find out how far the ball carried total.  

(Yeah, I know, my MS Paint skills are almost as awe inspiring as McCarthy's arm.)  Using the Pythagorean theorem and taking the square root of 34 squared plus 34 squared gives us 48.08 yards.  

Yeah, I'm a little disappointed too that it wasn't longer than that, but I was rounding numbers down, and the ball would have carried a good 3 yards or so past Baldwin had he not been there, so in actuality it almost certainly cleared 50 yards.  That's not bad for a frozen rope with a defensive lineman barreling down at him.  

What to take away from this information here?  Not much, except that if Michigan needs to throw a Hail Mary from our own side of the field later this year, McCarthy is the man for the job. You're all welcome.  I don't think the coaches could have figured that out without me.  Now I can't wait for the MGoBlog crowd to find tons of holes in my work in the comments.  

micheal honcho

September 6th, 2021 at 6:45 PM ^

Henne had the strongest arm of any M QB ever. That TV show called something like QB challenge where one event was distance. Vince Young took a big run up and absolutely hucked the ball in a very non football manner and threw 80 yds. Henne was next and threw it like an actual pass and went 72. The other QBs watching could be heard commenting how THAT was a strong arm. 

WolverineHistorian

September 6th, 2021 at 7:20 PM ^

Speaking of Henson, those video clips of McCarthy throwing those back over his body bombs before going out of bounds looked a lot like Henson's TD pass to David Terrell that beat Wisconsin in 2000. 

And Gary Danielson's replay description of Henne to Terrell was, "Don't do this, don't do this!!,"  which was exactly Orlavsky's description of this play.  

MMBbones

September 6th, 2021 at 4:01 PM ^

No lie, way too "cool story bro," but the night before the '97 Penn State game I was in an establishment with Fred Jackson and he flat out said, and I quote, "Griese doesn't have the arm strength to play in the NFL." 

I was glad he was wrong, not the Brian Griese was an NFL star.  Long story short, the answer to the OP question is not "Brian Griese." Probably also not Chris Zurbrugg, fine gentleman though he was.

I have eliminated two from contention. Feel free to continue the aforementioned discussion...

Cromulent

September 6th, 2021 at 4:33 PM ^

Fred was right, and Griese knew it. I was shocked myself when in the NFL he was throwing harder than he ever had at Michigan.

Turns out he was basically throwing harder than his anatomy would allow and eventually led to problems with his rotator cuff and other shoulder parts.

Today we know how to train for velo and Griese would have benefitted immensely.

bronxblue

September 6th, 2021 at 8:00 PM ^

It was a great throw by McCarthy but, I mean, McNamara threw the ball from his 16 yard line to the WMU 40 yard line and hit Bell in stride (with good coverage on him) while getting a lineman pushed into his face.  That's 44 yards vertically down the field, plus we're talking about inside the hash to outside, so the distance in the air was probably pretty close.

I don't quite get the idea that McNamara has a pop-gun arm that's permeated this place, but it's nice that UM has two QBs who seem to have pretty accurate, solid-to-very-strong arms.

The Homie J

September 6th, 2021 at 10:37 PM ^

McNamara is so sneakily good, he makes QB'ing look so easy that I think we're take his talents for granted.  It hasn't been talked about enough, but 9 of 11 where the only 2 incompletions were balls batted down and none of those throws were bad ideas or lucky ones that barely made it past the defense or would be picked off against better defenses.  If he has another solid game vs Washington, it might be time to admit that we finally have a bonafide gamechanger at QB (given he was also steady and solid last year vs Wisky, Rutgers, and Penn State before the injury)

JHumich

September 6th, 2021 at 3:54 PM ^

This just made me realize that apart from that, and a TD to a WR we won't have for the rest of the season, we were 11 of 15 for 71yd through the air against a MAC team. Now I has the sad.

Hoek

September 6th, 2021 at 5:26 PM ^

I’m going to guess you’re a MSU troll, so MSU had 326 yards of rushing, take away the 264 yards by one guy and they had… oh fuck it, forget it, it’s not worth trying to talk rationally with a lot of fans. 
 

Why can’t people just be fucking happy, every game is different, who knows next week we may throw for 400 and run for 100 and people will be pissed because we only averaged 3 yards per rush. 

JHumich

September 6th, 2021 at 6:17 PM ^

I know we were establishing the run, and I love that. With Devin Gardner, I think there were several RPO where we could have passed, but were probably focusing on establishing the RBs. You can go see my summary in the Monday Morning QB thread and click through to the appropriate times to see Devin talking about it.

Mostly just sad b/c we lost Ronnie Bell.

It was nice to see JJ hit a wow play, but it would also have been helpful to get some more mid-level, in-game passing work in, and the stats show it. FWIW, Devin liked the 11 yd completion to AJ Henning better b/c of what it took for the two of them to turn a dig into a curl on that play. On the whole, I'd say the ymrmfspa comp for g1 Cade was Wilton Speight, and for g1 JJ was Drew Henson. 

I'd been much encouraged about the team since Saturday, but a little bit of math in this OP tempered it a bit. Not sure what's wrong with that. Some of you are downvote and name-calling trigger happy. That's fine. Happy Labor Day!