An "All Time" Look @ The Harbaugh Era
Looking through the All-Time Stats (on offense), a few interesting things stand out:
Quarter Backs (Top 10)
- Shea Patterson comes in @ #9 for Career Yards. #2 & #9 for Single Season, #5 & 10 for Single Game. #6 for Career TD, #4 & #6 for Single Season TDs. #2 for Single Game TDs.
- Jake Rudock was #3 for Single Season. #3 Single Game. #1 for Single Game TDs.
Running Backs (Top 10)
- NONE in the Harbaugh Era in ANY category.
Wide Receivers
- NONE in the Harbaugh Era in Any Relevant Category (DJP/Nico Tied for 3rd for Single Game TDs).
The Only other category Harbaugh has anyone in the top 10 is Quinn Nordin (Field Goals Made, Single Game)
There are a million things these stats tell us, and don't tell us... but I found it fascinating non-the-less.
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:10 PM ^
And Michigans career QB stats arent anything special.
4000 passing yards is the new 3000 passing yards and guys like Haskins and Dields are even getting close to 5000 passing yards.
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:31 PM ^
And yet those guys have a combined zero playoff wins
Raw yardage stats are essentially useless. If they meant anything, Texas Tech, Washington State, and Hawaii would be in the playoffs every year
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:36 PM ^
They may have a combined zero playoff wins but in their starting seasons they are exactly 100% in playoff berths.
last I checked it’s hard to win a game if you don’t get there, maybe we should focus on that first.
January 2nd, 2020 at 4:01 PM ^
In their starting seasons they are exactly 50% in playoff berths, actually
Losing to Purdue by 100 doesn't get you in the playoffs
January 2nd, 2020 at 4:06 PM ^
Fair enough. But are you saying qb stats mean nothing if you don’t win a playoff game? I sure would like to have Fields’ 3200 yards, 41 TD/ 3 INT and 67% completion rate regardless of if he ever wins a playoff.
January 2nd, 2020 at 4:22 PM ^
in their starting seasons they are exactly 100% in playoff berths
Please tell me you are not as sloppy in your work in the ER as you were with this calculation.
January 3rd, 2020 at 9:53 PM ^
He's OK
January 2nd, 2020 at 4:03 PM ^
I understand.
Im just pointing out that defending patterson by pointing to UM's passing stats is like celebrating a preschool graduation. Everybody seems to get 2500 passing yards these days. It isnt anything special....
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:08 PM ^
Since raw yardage stats don't mean anything, what does the stat, most passing tds in a season is 25 mean? Haskins doubled that last year. Its pathetic
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:26 PM ^
Haskins and Fields win big ten titles and Haskins also won a rose bowl. Neither of those two things we’ve had in decades
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:10 PM ^
I'm not sure what any of that is telling us. Not being snarky. If it tells us millions of things, what are they? Legit question.
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:17 PM ^
It tells us nothing. It’s like comparing athletes of different eras, it’s subjective. The game has changed so much over the years that it’s impossible to compare these stats. Teams don’t often have workhorse running backs anymore and when you go 5 wide or use tight ends frequently the ball gets spread out much more.
January 2nd, 2020 at 5:23 PM ^
I think the point is that almost no offensive players under Harbaugh have made any significant mark. How many 1,000 yard rushers has Harbaugh had? One (barely)? He's supposed to be a QB guru and none of his quarterbacks even come close to having impressive seasons relative to other top QB's in the country with the exception of Ruddock in the second half of the season. No wide receivers even sniffing 1000 yards. I think it shows how much underwhelming Harbaugh's teams are year after year especially when compared to teams with recruiting classes ranked much lower than Michigan.
January 3rd, 2020 at 12:50 AM ^
Yup, people like act we should be celebrating all these meaningless 9 win seasons because, hey, we could only be winning 7 or 8! Who cares about setting records when we can celebrate an 0-5 record against our main rival, a rousing 1-4 bowl game record, and no conference championships, let alone appearances in over 15 years! Northwestern, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Penn State have all made the title game. Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, and Purdue have all beat Ohio in the same time span or more recently than we have. But hey, let's keep repeating ourselves until the results change! So far, the only thing Harbaugh has done better than fucking Brady Hoke is build an actual offensive line and beat up a few more tomato cans. And dethrone Michigan State, so legit kudos there. Still, not what we anticipated and not what we should settle for.
January 2nd, 2020 at 5:41 PM ^
I think it's pretty obvious what it tells us...it tells that in five years Harbaugh hasn't recruited any skill players on the offense that have been better than just good.
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:14 PM ^
Nonetheless, I'm not sure what to think of this.
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:17 PM ^
Yea this might tell us more about how the game has changed than anything. Also it might tell us that Michigan QB's over the years don't throw the ball that much relative to the way other schools have been chucking it around for the last 15 years.
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:20 PM ^
And for the longest time UM QBs generally played two years. Every other year a new junior QB would take the reins. Hard to build up huge career stats that way.
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:50 PM ^
But what about the recent WR dearth ?
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:22 PM ^
The offensive guru can’t get a good offense. That’s what I got out of this
January 2nd, 2020 at 4:13 PM ^
John should give Greg Roman back to Jim.
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:04 PM ^
Under rated comment. Maybe if John wins another Super Bowl he can loan Jim his OC
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:28 PM ^
Charbonnet literally set the Michigan freshman running back td record
Why don't you just say total yards instead of generalizing by saying ANY category when that's blatantly untrue?
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:37 PM ^
What do Downy and Milk have in common?
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:42 PM ^
Damn it, I don't know. Dont leave me hanging.
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:42 PM ^
#1 in Big Ten Coach salary
#3 in the Big Ten*
#theMichigandifference
*Big Ten East Division
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:47 PM ^
#3 in Big Ten East is also where his overall record is too during those five years. Two less wins and one more loss than Franklin. 72.3% winning percentage.
His pay is irrelevant. Every time it's brought up it speaks more about the poster than the coach.
He isn't the savior we hoped. Got it.
January 2nd, 2020 at 5:42 PM ^
Why are we paying out the ass for a head coach and assistants then if we're not trying to be elite?
January 2nd, 2020 at 6:07 PM ^
Except it isn’t irrelevant. He’s paid an outrageous amount to win big games and he doesn’t. Do you get that?
We pay a lot so poster above can claim it’s irrelevant but we run a clean program and blah blah blah.
January 3rd, 2020 at 10:29 AM ^
See, it's irrelevant because whether he is paid twice as much or half as much as other coaches, his product isn't impacted. He is paid by an entity with enough money to do so it doesn't impact anything else. Lights are still one, upgrades are happening, etc. It's an argument by those who have less to establish why it's unfair. Jealous. I'd say that if he made 5 million you'd somehow bring in the argument, "What are "we" getting for five million?" You are getting whatever you want from it. I paid a little over $800 for my family of five to attend a game at Crisler in a couple of months. If they lose, was my value diminished? If they win, was it a value? The results should have no impact on our experience, if we enjoy it or not is on us, not Coach Howard and the young men playing. Same for football. You are annoyed because he makes more than you and that's why it's irrelevant. Has nothing to do with football.
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:46 PM ^
Dude, come on, we all know despite these stats that Harbaugh's QBs suck and last year's WR group is the best in Michigan's history.
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:56 PM ^
Now do all-time wins vs. OSU.
January 2nd, 2020 at 4:15 PM ^
Doesn’t say a lot, other than we haven’t had any dominant players. Whether that is because we haven’t recruited them or that coaches aren’t developing them and/or putting them in a position to succeed, I don’t know.
One thing I’ve found really frustrating is the running back carries distribution... there are lots of times where we will pull the hot hand to give him a rest and then put in an inferior player only to watch him make a mistake. This wasn’t an egregious example, but Charbonnet barely had any carries in the second half against Bama. There were also lots of times during the year that Turner was getting carries even though he’s at best the fourth guy on the depth chart. The good teams ride their #1 hard - Etienne, Dobbins, Harris, Taylor, etc. Maybe we don’t have a guy that good, but if we do, we’d never know it because he doesn’t get enough carries.
January 2nd, 2020 at 4:56 PM ^
The dearth of "all time" WR stats is really interesting relative to the period's QB stats being so "all time" record setting.
January 2nd, 2020 at 4:59 PM ^
Well everyone wanted Bo back and they got him. 8, 9 wins per year and 0-10 in bowl wins
January 2nd, 2020 at 5:04 PM ^
RB has been weak under Harbaugh. I know some guys love Deveon Smith and Karan Higdon but they were very average upperclassmen running backs. Didn't have great YPC and racked up good yards only because of high usage
Charbonnet will be the best RB Michigan has had in a long while. Haskins is looking good too
January 2nd, 2020 at 5:27 PM ^
I've been pleased as punch with our stable of running backs in the Harbaugh era. We just haven't had a fucking line. That's getting better. And thank God, or rather, thank Ed.
January 2nd, 2020 at 6:05 PM ^
Ding, ding, ding!!!!!!!
The winner of the thread
All your offensive stats go south when you have an average O-line
O-line is JH's big blind spot
January 2nd, 2020 at 6:58 PM ^
I wouldn’t call it a “blind spot”, like Harbaugh isn’t aware you need a good OL. Have any idea how long it takes to develop a good and deep OL?
January 2nd, 2020 at 5:28 PM ^
Coming off a 10 - 3 season with a big bowl win and talk of national title aspirations for the 2016 season.....these are the offensive skill position players that Jim and his staff recruited.
Peters QB
Assisi TE
Walker RB
Crawford WR
Evans RB
Eubanks TE
McDoom WR
N. Johnson WR
K. Davis RB
McKeon TE
January 2nd, 2020 at 7:53 PM ^
"Assisi TE"
Well that's the damn problem right there... it really interferes with team chemistry to have some guy constantly blessing animals on the practice field instead of studying the playbook.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:10 PM ^
That made me laugh
January 2nd, 2020 at 7:29 PM ^
If there was some different names on the coaching staff, say, Kevin Wilson, or Mike Leach, or Jim McElwain, or Stan Drayton, or Burton Burns, those offensive number would be different.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:08 PM ^
Especially in this offense/QB driven era, that is very damning.
Look at Joe Burrow's stats. Harbaugh's QBs would need 3-4 years to get the yards and TDs and would have 4x the interceptions:
5,208 Yards, 55 TD, 6 INT
.gif)
January 3rd, 2020 at 12:03 AM ^
No impact players at offensive skill positions. Insane that we didn’t have a 1000 yard outside receiver this season.
January 3rd, 2020 at 7:27 AM ^
What about W/L record? My guess is it's pretty comparable to Bo & Lloyd. The real problem is the record against OSU. It really all comes down to that...Good, but not good enough. We'd probably all be fine with 9.5 wins per year of we were 3-2 vs OSU.