5 Big Ten athletes with myocarditis, potentially related to covid 19
Scary stuff for young athletes to be dealing with. Hopefully these are short term issues.
August 10th, 2020 at 9:44 PM ^
40-50k students on campus OK! But sports? Not safe.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:07 PM ^
I have 3 children in college right now and none of them are thankfully going to be on campus so your numbers are bullshit. When they do have to show up for requisites they will have strict protocols that highly limit the chance of transmission. I don't know what your premonition of how life is going to be on campus, but it won't be anywhere near putting on pads and slobberknocking the fuck out of someone else that's just traveled from 200 miles up the road that will bringing Aunt Corona to dinner with them.
August 10th, 2020 at 11:20 PM ^
Ok 40-50k minus your 3 overly protected children. What if half the kids didn't show up. 105 v. 20k. Not to mention classrooms with mandatory mask usage is not the issue. It's the dorms, the frats, the house parties, the apartments, the bars that are the problem. You must get that regardless of your Bursley Starcraft college experience.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:17 PM ^
40k die annually from cars. Let's also ban autos.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:43 PM ^
When car accidents become as contagious as COVID, we should ban autos.
August 11th, 2020 at 2:15 AM ^
The only slight benefit from COVID lock downs is a 30 percent decrease in auto fatalities. On average the US has about 22500 deaths from March through June but but for 2020, the fatalities by auto accidents are down 6800 for that 4 month period. However, waiting lists are now very long for donated organs, since auto accidents are the number 1 source for harvesting organs for those waiting for an organ donation. Some reports are organ donations are down around 30 percent across the country. But other deaths have occurred due to delays in elective surgeries due to COVID patients taking all the IC resources.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:43 PM ^
Dude, in April, COVID-19 surpassed heart disease, cancer and car accidents as the leading cause of death per day in the United States. April... Let that marinate pal.
If the auto fatalities were at this rate you wouldn't have to worry about banning your automobile, the roads would be shut the fuck down.
August 10th, 2020 at 11:25 PM ^
Wow, for one month the worst pandemic in a century had slightly more deaths than traditional partially preventable causes of death. One month. Worst pandemic in 100 years. Worst marinade ever.
August 11th, 2020 at 8:07 AM ^
you're just so fucking dumb. honest to christ, why to you idiots think you have any more wisdom than any other idiot who barely passed high school biology?
August 11th, 2020 at 10:41 AM ^
Lol, well informed response. You think you have my "position" on COVID figured out. I have no position other than that I follow the guidelines laid out by the CDC and Whitmer and common sense, e.g., wearing masks.
But since I stick to science and logic rather than Team Fauci or Team Freedom, I will point out logical flaws like saying 5 reported cases of myocarditis of 10,000 big ten athletes is a laughable reason to say, "now we definitely shouldn't have football." Meanwhile tens of thousands of students will be on campus, yet people can only focus on 105 football players.
I'll also point out that saying that the virus led to slightly more deaths than other common causes in its worst month at the start of the outbreak, is not a convincing of anything. If you fall back on statements like this to prove some point, you're only doing yourself a disservice.
August 11th, 2020 at 8:20 AM ^
1) It won't be 40-50K.
2) It won't last two weeks before UM is shutting down all in person classes because of outbreaks.
signed,
UM Academic Staff Member
August 10th, 2020 at 9:31 PM ^
Another article making vast sweeping allegations without substance. Most college football coaches today have played the game themselves and are fathers. Coach Harbaugh, Frost, etc...
Does anyone in their right mind (I know that is a reach today) truly believe they would propose to play now vs later if they truly felt the student athletes under their charge would be in true jeopardy?
I will note once again that athletes are 33X more likely to die in a car accident than from covid19.
Infection fatality rate if under 70 yrs old is 0.04%,... less than or equal to the annual/ seasonal flu !!
August 10th, 2020 at 9:38 PM ^
I typed out 3 separate replies to this nonsense, but I give up.
I’ll save my breath.
August 10th, 2020 at 9:39 PM ^
I've seen this 0.04% statistic thrown out a couple times. Where does that come from?
August 10th, 2020 at 9:42 PM ^
It's a bullshit statistic that combines the fatality rate for every age group under 70 that doesn't take into account that the fatality rate for the older people in that age group is much higher than those that are younger. It's like saying a homeless person and a millionaire have an average salary of $500,000. It's meaningless and misleading
August 11th, 2020 at 11:34 AM ^
Same as the bullshit diagnoses ascribing cause of death to COVID when it had NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH COVID.
Or, you know...Whitmer and other Dem Governors killing grandmas and grandpas by forcing COVID patients into retirement homes...SURE got those numbers up!
August 10th, 2020 at 10:03 PM ^
Likely Fox News, OAN, and/or The Blaze.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:04 PM ^
4chan and Alex Jones say hold my beer.
Don't forget Breitbart and Limbaugh either.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:21 PM ^
Just admit you didn't read the article or even the thread and move on
August 10th, 2020 at 10:54 PM ^
I spent a large portion of my life around college coaches. I learned we should not look to college coaches to make sound decisions on societal matters. There are always exceptions, but in general their view of the world is through a very minuscule lens.
August 10th, 2020 at 11:11 PM ^
Before today I would've dismissed this vehemently , but from what I saw today it sadly might make sense.
August 11th, 2020 at 3:45 AM ^
Upvote for correctly spelling "minuscule" which most people misspell as "miniscule." :)
August 11th, 2020 at 8:57 AM ^
Now we are getting to where the rubber meets the road. I think I am a very sound rational, critical thinker. I believe if all the programs were run by Jim Harbaugh the games could be played. But my thinking may not be as rationally and critically sound as I think it is.
August 11th, 2020 at 2:19 PM ^
Quit posting CDC data and facts. That doesn't fit the narrative some are preaching. Seems they would rather go with fear based talking emotional points instead of disputing actual CDC facts.
In fact the survival rate is about 10x better than we expected early on and likely quite a bit lower if we truly knew all of the cases out there. Good news is going forward due to understanding the virus better, better treatments etc it will likely continue to get better but for many that will not ever be good enough.
August 10th, 2020 at 9:34 PM ^
Here we go again. More science from Dr.'s & experts on the same day that coaches turn to the media against their athletic departments for the sake of...well not in the best interest of their kids.
Really coaches... #Fight, This aint over, Teddy Roosevelt, and fuck it we're going to the SEC then. I didn't think it could get any worse. I guess I was wrong.
SSDD
August 11th, 2020 at 2:30 PM ^
Or maybe just maybe coaches realize how important this is to the futures of some and feel the rewards greatly outweigh the risks. Not every expert or doctor is even on the same page with all this.
Some of us don't live completely by the word of government bureaucrats either. These are same people who claim the best way to eat is the food pyramid considering almost all nutritionists would totally disagree.
Best moves I ever made in my life health-wise involved going against the obvious propoganda garbage preached by FDA about kratom instead they pushed awful opiates for pain knowing 100k year die from it. Add in how awful they have been fighting against trt therapy despite the hundreds and hundreds of positive studies on it. Most cardiologists will tell you the same thing so don't give me that these bureaucrats word is gospel. Good luck with that but some of us are actually capable of making their own decisions when comes to their health.
August 10th, 2020 at 9:40 PM ^
all sports are toast
August 10th, 2020 at 10:45 PM ^
Nah...the MLS, WNBA, NHL, UFC and NBA are doing just fine!
August 10th, 2020 at 10:02 PM ^
This is exactly why we need more data before jumping into potentially life altering decisions based on knowledge from prior viruses or infections. It sucks that life needs to be put on hold, but idiots just calling this the "flu", should
1. remember how deadly influenza was before vaccines
2. Stop trying to play doctor and/or epidemiologist and wait for the experts to analyze the data of this novel virus
3. Wear a fucking mask and social distance as initial data suggests it helps - see developed nations in Europe and Asia.
Amazing how many random Karen's and Ken's believe themselves to be health experts and feel the need to share their "expertise" on social media.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:20 PM ^
It sucks and it’s tragic. If you Shut it down They go home, where they are at a much higher risk of contracting the virus. Only now they don’t have the high quality medical staff looking after them. If you’re predisposed to this issue there’s not a whole lot you can do about it. Being on campus and playing football under a controlled environment is almost certainly safer than being sent home to fend for yourself.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:24 PM ^
With the exception of having access to better/any medical care at school than at home in the case you do contract COVID, how would interacting with hundreds of people a day and traveling across the country weekly be safer than taking your online classes at home and quarantining?
August 10th, 2020 at 10:29 PM ^
Ha, that's funny. You think the majority of people are actually quarantining. Especially the younger crowd.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:33 PM ^
No football and they just go home?
I think you'll find them still on campus. Still being responsible for working out and still having access to training/medical staff.
August 10th, 2020 at 11:28 PM ^
Just to clear up some misinformation about this JAMA Cardiology paper that was upthread:
It is not “just a sample of patients who had ARDS [e.g., critical illness, ICU etc.].
66% of the 100 patients recovered at home: 18 patients asymptomatic.
33% hospitalized: 2 Pt intubated, 17 pt requiring a “mask ventilation”, almost all the rest requiring some supplemental oxygen.
3 patients had severe enough findings on imaging that they were referred for cardiac biopsy.
Median age 49.
So it is remarkable 78% had imaging findings of cardiac involvement. Of course, there needs further follow-up, would be helpful to sample patients post-influenza etc. has we don’t routine do that, but it is remarkable.
August 11th, 2020 at 10:18 AM ^
Although this is "potentially" related to COVID and I don't want to dismiss such possibility, given the incidence rate of myocarditis, the total number of BIG athletes, and consider the well-known fact that elite athletes are at high risk of myocarditis, it is way too early to point the fingers without knowing the details.
August 11th, 2020 at 11:18 AM ^
Those athletes likely contracted the virus in the dorm, out to eat, kissing their girl/boy friend, etc.
If I was an elite college athlete, I would opt out for maybe an entire year and stay away from campus. Stay sheltered in place with my parents and eliminate the risks until there is a vaccine. Catching this virus and damaging one's lungs and/or heart would cripple their elite athletic career. Coming on campus is the danger. That is the high risk issue and likely not as safe as sheltering in place at home doing on-line learning.
August 11th, 2020 at 11:33 AM ^
It really is scary that we don't know the long-term effects of this disease, especially on otherwise-healthy individuals.
I hope this doesn't lead to long-term health issues (from my very limited reading of myocarditis it tends to "heal" over time), but it's still tough for these kids.
August 11th, 2020 at 11:36 AM ^
Yes - it is scary - but so is every RSV or Coronavirus variant ever.
ALL can lead to these long-term effects.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/ (TL;DR - ANY Coronavirus EVER can do the same)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6645850/ (TL;DR - ANY similar Respiratory disease EVER can do the same)