247 (Sam Webb) vs. Rivals (EJ Holland) drama
I looked to see if this had been posted on the board already, but Sam Webb over at 247 created a post to take a giant shot at E.J. Holland of The Wolverine (LINK). The only other time I've really seen Webb - or anybody from one of the high-profile sites - design such an ill-intentioned post is when Webb did it to He Who Will Not Be Named in the last year or so. He basically called him a b**** and challenged him to show up at Donovan Edwards's announcement tomorrow and not be a b****.
I like both Webb and Holland for different reasons, but the potshots seem a little petty and immature. I mean, sure, I happen to run a blog and Brian Cook has a tramp stamp and Garrett Fishaw wears socks with sandals, but I don't publicly make fun of them for it. The guys over at Maize 'n' Brew think "Die Hard" isn't a Christmas movie, but I don't shame them for that.
Anyway, I'm not sure what has been Maize 'n' Brewing between these guys over the years, but I just think it's odd that reporters covering the same beat can't be a little more civil.
Oh, and that one guy at that one blog - you know who you are - you're a turd.
Yeah, I said it.
Happy Holidays!
December 15th, 2020 at 2:11 PM ^
You alluded to it a little bit, but Sam Webb doesn't typically act the way he did in that post. We don't know the full story or history behind their relationship.
Based on what Webb said, it seems like they have some history and disagree with their work styles. I have also seen/heard from other places and people that Holland has shit-talked recruits.
Also, it seems like Webb doesn't like how Holland continues to travel around and (at least in Webb's mind) defy Covid protocols. To be fair, Holland's Twitter profile pic is him doing an interview with his mask pulled down despite being literally right next to the guy he's interviewing.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:11 PM ^
Michigan is so dysfunctional even their recruiting reporters can't get along.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:12 PM ^
+1 Insightful
December 15th, 2020 at 2:18 PM ^
Topic for JUB's next book?
December 15th, 2020 at 7:24 PM ^
"Unsportsmanlike Conduct"
"Encroachment"
"Out of Bounds"
"Disconcerting Signals"
December 15th, 2020 at 4:39 PM ^
Upvoted to make it 69
December 15th, 2020 at 7:27 PM ^
Upvoted to make it 96
December 15th, 2020 at 10:23 PM ^
Upvoted like I was walking by a bonfire with a stick in my hand
December 15th, 2020 at 2:12 PM ^
Really surprising. It's unlike Webb to call out anyone unless they are reporting things that are clearly false. From what I've heard from Holland, he seems to be pretty good about covering his facts and taking what recruits tell him.
Do you know why Webb is taking offense?
December 15th, 2020 at 2:13 PM ^
Webb was pretty clear why he was so upset with him. Holland misquoted something Webb said and I guess it was the cherry on top as Webb detailed previous issues and run-ins such as Holland bitching at a recruit for refusing an interview.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:18 PM ^
Thank you. Sorry, I don't have a 247 account so it was paywalled. Appreciate the summary
December 15th, 2020 at 2:22 PM ^
Didn't Holland infere that all the Donovan Edward's talk was just a click bait, sell more subscriptions ploy? I believe that is what started it. I believe he has said some not so nice things about his former employers at 247 and maybe Sam is sick of it. I know accusing someone in that industry of lying to sell subscriptions is about as volatile as it can get. That's questioning a person's character.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:27 PM ^
Yeah in the title of Webb's post, he referred to Holland as a 247 Reject and mentioned that he is on his 3rd beat because he keeps getting chased out from where he works.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:12 PM ^
They can be civil but choose not to be. Don't discount that sometimes making themselves a story is calculated for PR.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:12 PM ^
Um, I mean, Die Hard is a Christmas Movie. It's more about Christmas than movies about suicide like It's a Wonderful Life.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:15 PM ^
Dude.......spoilers
December 15th, 2020 at 2:17 PM ^
There is a Christmas party happening as Hans and his friends take over Nakatomi. No one can truly believe it is not a Christmas movie.
Also I am pretty sure the McClane kids ask for their parents safe return as a Christmas wish when interviewed on the news but don't quote me on that.
December 15th, 2020 at 4:46 PM ^
Now I have a machine gun ho ho ho
December 15th, 2020 at 3:07 PM ^
It's a Christmas action movie opposed to most Christmas movies that are Christmas comedies. It's not that complicated imo
December 15th, 2020 at 7:28 PM ^
Die Hard is NOT a christmas movie.
December 16th, 2020 at 12:10 PM ^
Die Hard is so a Christmas movie, but Lethal Weapon is a better Christmas movie.
December 16th, 2020 at 1:31 PM ^
If you can find it, I recommend watching the Comedy Central Roast of Bruce Willis. Bruce Willis answers the question himself. According to the link below, BW says "It's a G** D*** Bruce Willis movie".
December 15th, 2020 at 2:14 PM ^
This stuff always strikes me as the weirdest fights, but not being on the boards I couldn't tell how deep the issues go. Webb is usually pretty good, it seems, about staying professional so if he gets mad I assume it's for a pretty big reason.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:16 PM ^
"...Brian Cook has a tramp stamp and Garrett Fishaw wears socks with sandals..."
LMAO!!! No rivalry there...
"The guys over at Maize 'n' Brew think "Die Hard" isn't a Christmas movie..."
Well, they're right - it's not.
Sad to hear that Mr Sunshine himself, Sam Webb, is using profanity at a colleague. But hey, that's Twitter for you - where toxicity breeds with unfettered support...
December 15th, 2020 at 6:41 PM ^
I agree with 1VABlue1 - Die Hard is a movie that takes place during Christmas.
It's not a movie about Christmas or any of the themes Christmas represents. It could literally take place on any other holiday (like New Year's) and not change the movie in any material way.
December 15th, 2020 at 7:44 PM ^
You guys are in desperate need of some Christmas spirit. Nothing says Feliz Navidad quite like a rocket fired into an approaching armored personnel carrier.
December 15th, 2020 at 7:44 PM ^
It would be weird to have a Christmas party on some other holiday.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:17 PM ^
oh what a tangled Webb we weave.....
December 15th, 2020 at 2:18 PM ^
Oh you wanna talk some SHIT Magnus???
(jk I like your work)
December 15th, 2020 at 2:18 PM ^
Die Hard isn't just a Christmas movie - it is the greatest Christmas movie.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:23 PM ^
I live Sam. He’s been top notch forever. Sure sometimes his access to the program wanes, but that isn’t his fault. The guy is the best in the biz, Magnus is great too.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:24 PM ^
Imagine caring about recruiting.
Unless Worthy and Edwards sign. Then, YAY.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:24 PM ^
whew, sam really threw down the gauntlet! look what he said:
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funny stuff re: bc, gf, pointing out that i'm a turd.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:57 PM ^
Well, this sure is a self-aggrandizing post.
You're a turd, but not THE turd.
December 15th, 2020 at 3:07 PM ^
mags, you may not have heard, but i am a 5* turd.
December 15th, 2020 at 4:50 PM ^
XM - if you’re a 5* turd - how is your hole plugging ability? Are you able to clog things up?
If so, perhaps I could interest you in playing DEFENSIVE TACKLE?!
December 15th, 2020 at 5:39 PM ^
I am a definite gap plugger, two gaps if needed, but like all things opposing offenses are working to defeat me. Concerned about rumored ‘plunger’ and ‘roto-rooter’ offensive packages.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:27 PM ^
Football recruiting is just becoming The View for a male demographic.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:32 PM ^
Welcome to 2020 - where shouting loudly at each other is what passes for news or facts. Thou who shouts loudest and fastest will create the narrative by which reality is shaped. Social media, politicians, reality TV, ESPN talking heads replacing journalists.... Sigh.....
December 15th, 2020 at 2:28 PM ^
Hey Magnus-since you’re here what is your prediction on Edwards?
December 15th, 2020 at 2:51 PM ^
I guess I'm going with Michigan. Notre Dame is trying to flip Audric Estime from MSU. Oklahoma is probably going to land Camar Wheaton. And Georgia already has Lova'sea Carroll. The only school in Edwards's top four without a blue chip RB - or that's not making a late run at a flip to fill a hole - is Michigan. (Sorry, Tavierre Dunlap.)
I know some people think Edwards would have committed to Michigan already if he really wanted to, but I also know this: Recruiting doesn't always play out like you expect.
So Edwards to Michigan is my guess, but like I said, that's using logic and kids don't always act logically.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:35 PM ^
Does Brian really.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:52 PM ^
Yep. I've got pictures to prove it.
December 15th, 2020 at 3:01 PM ^
That's why you haven't been banned yet.
/sarcasm
December 15th, 2020 at 2:44 PM ^
I'll believe anything anyone says about Brian, even if you had said he also wears socks with sandals. You could claim he's into falconry or he fixes broken shopping cart wheels pro-bono or he has a local artisinal sausage making side business and I'd be like sure, checks out.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:55 PM ^
He actually started that sausage business after seeing "Hamilton" on Broadway.
He got the tattoo in Times Square and it's a picture of Jonathan Groff's King George saying "Good luck!"
December 15th, 2020 at 2:45 PM ^
No doubt Sam is in the right here. He is extremely cautious in how he approaches all aspects of his job, so if he truly goes off on someone, you can rest assured it was well deserved.
I don't know much about EJ Holland but the Michigan Rivals site has had a poor reputation over the years and is less connected and much more often wrong on recruiting scoops.
December 15th, 2020 at 2:59 PM ^
As pointed out, if part of the beef is lack of care (e.g., COVID) around recruits, just look at this nonsense that is his Twitter profile.
December 15th, 2020 at 3:11 PM ^
You know how you can look at someone and just tell that they suck? EJ Holland is one of those people