2023-24 NCAA D1 Manual verbiage around scouting
https://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D124.pdf
Here is the verbiage from 23-24 NCAA D1 Manual:
11.6 Scouting of Opponents.
11.6.1 Off-Campus, In-Person Scouting Prohibition. Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited, except as provided in Bylaws 11.6.1.1 and 11.6.1.2. (Adopted: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94, Revised: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13, 1/15/14)
11.6.1.1 Exception -- Same Event at the Same Site. An institutional staff member may scout future opponents also participating in the same event at the same site. (Revised: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94, 10/28/97 effective 8/1/98, 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13, 9/19/13, 2/7/20, 6/30/21 effective 8/1/21)
11.6.1.2 Exception -- Conference or NCAA Championships. An institutional staff member may attend a contest in the institution's conference championship or an NCAA championship contest in which a future opponent participates (e.g., an opponent on the institution's spring nonchampionship-segment schedule participates in a fall conference or NCAA championship). (Adopted: 1/15/14, Revised: 2/7/20, 6/30/21 effective 8/1/21)
October 19th, 2023 at 4:50 PM ^
So, worst case, say the NCAA actually has proof of these shenanigans... what's the penalty? A free spin the NCAA Wheel of Punishment, or do they actually have rules they follow?
October 19th, 2023 at 4:58 PM ^
Initial Yahoo story said there is no stated punishment.
October 19th, 2023 at 5:04 PM ^
Yep. Kept their options open. Could be anything from a slap on the wrist to the electric chair.
October 19th, 2023 at 5:28 PM ^
As if their own rules matter. Tennessee's violations required a bowl ban, at a minimum. They waived that despite proof of hundreds of instances of violations.
October 19th, 2023 at 6:01 PM ^
The rule says "institutional staff member"... so if the person was just some random, UM-inclined volunteer (not on staff)... this is ok?
October 19th, 2023 at 11:48 PM ^
Yep which is why you wouldn’t have your staff member taking film. This is so stupid. Pay your nephew $25 to film the DB coach throwing signals. Leads me to believe this is nothing. Like I said: unless you have a recording of a on payroll UM staffer going: “hey guys! Just here scouting so and so and stealing signs”… you have nothing. Even if there were a staffer at a future opponent game - that’s clearly allowed and people happen to film sporting events.
October 20th, 2023 at 7:33 AM ^
The excerpt above doesn’t limit the main part of the rule (the ban, not the exceptions) to staff members.
October 19th, 2023 at 4:50 PM ^
I started drinking when I saw the news therefore I am unable to understand this post... please translate
October 19th, 2023 at 4:52 PM ^
I've heard that this is done at every level but not enforced. Teams mix up their play calls and use dummy signals. Michigan is getting ratfucked.
October 19th, 2023 at 4:55 PM ^
In high school, there are coaches who have games tonight that will be at their next opponent's game tomorrow night. This my friends, is Stretchgate 2.0.
October 19th, 2023 at 5:07 PM ^
Exactly, isn't this why teams have multiple people putting up signs? Nobody knows who has the real play call except for the team itself.
The only way this is a major scandal is if they are using some sort of technology (listening device) or are paying folks on other team to give inside information - I would imagine those would both be criminal fraud.
October 19th, 2023 at 5:11 PM ^
Listening to Jacob Hester (former LSU Tiger) this afternoon and he said he hopes there's not footage of a guy in a Michigan polo and hat shooting video at these games.
It's funny listening to the guys who played the game not taking this seriously until evidence comes out.
October 19th, 2023 at 5:56 PM ^
Hmm, so an opposing team can dress a person in Michigan gear, give him a camera, and position him to capture their signals all game long. Then claim it was somebody sent by Michigan stealing signs. It sounds so dumb and easy to set somebody up. Unless it’s Harbaugh himself with a camera in hand during his suspension I would call B.S. on any accusations and evidence presented.
October 19th, 2023 at 6:55 PM ^
I mean I'd wear $30 of State gear to a Rutgers game some time if someone's willing to send photos of it to the NCAA. Why not, apparently that's where the bar is now.
October 19th, 2023 at 9:28 PM ^
Nobody gives a shit what losing programs do.
October 19th, 2023 at 5:27 PM ^
Or . . . You know the whole thing teams do sometimes instead of using signals . . . called the HUDDLE.
October 19th, 2023 at 5:16 PM ^
All you have done in these threads is hyperventilate over the news today and be a complete doomer. Yeah the news as fans is frustrating to hear because it's out of our control over what happens and we don't know yet what is even true. I bet you $1 they will not be getting "ratfucked." And I bet you another dollar that your BP is through the roof.
October 19th, 2023 at 5:30 PM ^
115 / 65 baby! Wooooo!!!!!!!!! Yeahhh budddyyyy!!!
October 19th, 2023 at 4:54 PM ^
Event = the NCAA college football season
Site = USA
October 19th, 2023 at 5:04 PM ^
The type of stupid chicken shit nonsense that the NCAA insists on focusing on blows my mind. There has to be something that Michigan is doing to keep drawing NCAA's attention - and no, I do not believe for a second that it is because we keep breaching the NCAA rules and no other program is. It feels like we handle them the wrong way and it just entices NCAA to keep using us as a punching bag. Fuckin in person attendance at off site games, seriously?
October 19th, 2023 at 5:59 PM ^
I am convinced that Scot Loeffler complained after known michigan booster Craig Ross was at the BGSU game the week before they played Jim Harbaugh's Michigan Wolverines!
October 19th, 2023 at 5:07 PM ^
And then Warde rolled over and showed his belly.
Jim Harbaugh found to use the word "We". He also didn't bring enough gum for the rest of us!
October 19th, 2023 at 5:14 PM ^
So, 11.6.1.1 "Same Event at the Same Site" meaning you can scout them when you play them or when they're in the same venue as part of the same tournament (e.g., conference tournament at a single site, NCAA tournament in a pod site, the Bahamas / Atlantis and holiday tournaments)
11.6.1.2, in the dictionary under redundant it says "see redundant".
What a bunch of fuckin' tools. Scouting has been a part of sports for forever. Our high school teams had scouts that went to games across town for future game prep. Only the ncaa would be this obtuse.
October 19th, 2023 at 5:15 PM ^
In the verbiage I see "institutional staff member" more than once. To me that would be a paid employee and not some super fan. Does that mean a super fan could do in-person scouting for free and pass on findings to the coaching staff?
October 19th, 2023 at 5:54 PM ^
Where would we find someone to do that?
October 19th, 2023 at 7:17 PM ^
Teams are pissed off that Fee Fi Foe Film has their teams downloaded and they know the coaching staff reads MGoBlog.
October 19th, 2023 at 5:17 PM ^
I don't think this does anything to Michigan, the institution. It does, however, further push Jim out the door and mar this season's success with an "asterisk" that dumb people in opposing fan bases will point to for years to come.
The wind blows strongest at the top of the mountain. Fuck em. Win it all and send Jim out with a national championship and a legacy that no amount of cheese burgers and hand signals can take away.
October 19th, 2023 at 5:18 PM ^
The opposing fans can take their asterisks and wipe their tears with them.