14 players on All-Big Ten defense & special teams
- Will Johnson - 1st team coaches & media
- Mike Sainristil - 2nd team coaches, 1st team media
- Mason Graham - 1st team coaches, 3rd team media (lol)
- Junior Colson - 2nd team coaches & media
- Kris Jenkins - 2nd team coaches & media
- Kenneth Grant - 2nd team coaches, 3rd team media
- Mike Barrett - 3rd team coaches, Honorable Mention media
- Rod Moore - 3rd team coaches, HM media
- Jaylen Harrel - HM coaches & media
- Braiden McGregor - HM coaches & media
- Derrick Moore - HM coaches & media
- Josh Wallace - HM coaches & media
- Makari Paige - HM coaches
- Josaiah Stewart - HM coaches
- James Turner - 2nd team coaches, HM media
- Tommy Doman - 3rd team coaches, HM media
- Semaj Morgan - HM coaches & media
One interesting observation: in every instance in which there is a discrepancy between coaches & media, with the exception of Mikey Sainristil, the coaches ranked the player higher than the media 🤔
https://mgoblue.com/news/2023/11/28/football-four-first-teamers-represent-u-m-on-all-big-ten-defensive-team
November 28th, 2023 at 1:31 PM ^
I see the PR hit job is now being put on the players in the media. Weird. Fuck you Finebaum!
November 28th, 2023 at 3:26 PM ^
It's all name recognition, and our rotation-heavy approach renders our guys more anonymous. It is what it is, but truth is any one of our defensive ends and tackles would start for any other team in the conference.
November 28th, 2023 at 5:11 PM ^
just like the scandal, the more you know about football, the more you know the truth of the matter
er *moore sorry
November 28th, 2023 at 1:32 PM ^
The Michael Barrett disrespect is wild
November 28th, 2023 at 1:36 PM ^
Rod Moore too...
November 28th, 2023 at 1:50 PM ^
One of the best safeties in the league but missed four games so probably used it as a spot to give some other teams reps.
November 28th, 2023 at 1:32 PM ^
Barrett getting disrespected.
[Edit] Ya got me, bsand. Good work.
November 28th, 2023 at 3:16 PM ^
Sainristil as well, he should be 1st Team for Media and Coaches.
November 28th, 2023 at 1:35 PM ^
JTT on OSU somehow gets first team after not doing a damn thing against us, but Grant somehow isn't first team and Graham only got first team coaches. Joke.
November 28th, 2023 at 1:49 PM ^
JTT had 4 sacks and 6 TFL. That's pretty pedestrian for a DE. Morris had 7.5 and 11 last year and that was a step down from the... 5 guys before him?
November 28th, 2023 at 1:51 PM ^
Graham is a DT.
November 28th, 2023 at 2:25 PM ^
I was talking about JTT
November 28th, 2023 at 1:36 PM ^
That's all?
Honestly, looking over the list, I think a bunch of these players got held down a level 1st-2nd-3rd-HM just because of the embarrassment of riches it would display if they were all 1st/2nd team like is probably true.
November 28th, 2023 at 3:23 PM ^
Oh for sure. We could easily pad our top dudes' stats by giving them more snaps, but that's not how we work.
Everyone eats.
November 28th, 2023 at 1:36 PM ^
I think you could say that getting 7 DLs on the list diluted the voting.
November 28th, 2023 at 1:37 PM ^
Happy for him but how did Semaj Morgan make it? He had like 6 kick returns all year, right? And I don't remember more than 1 getting to our own 40?
November 28th, 2023 at 1:46 PM ^
There were a number of ST HM's from both the coaches and media - the media list is really long.
November 28th, 2023 at 1:51 PM ^
He had 10 returns for 159 yards, with a long of 28. As a team, we returned just 16 all season and some of the other six were squibs. Rule changes have made kick returns a lot less common in general.
November 28th, 2023 at 2:29 PM ^
i had the same question. weird!
November 28th, 2023 at 1:41 PM ^
Jenkins is our best player yet only made 2nd team
November 28th, 2023 at 1:45 PM ^
JTT and Chop Robinson making first team tells you how much the voters actually watch games. Didn’t Chop Robinson miss like half the season?
November 28th, 2023 at 3:24 PM ^
It's almost like the media doesn't watch every team's every game and just goes on hype and name recognition
Weird!
November 28th, 2023 at 1:47 PM ^
Full lists here:
https://bigten.org/documents/2023/11/27//2023_Big_Ten_Individual_Award_Winners_DEF_ST.pdf?id=9526
Of course the Iowa punter was Punter of the Year lol
November 28th, 2023 at 1:52 PM ^
I know it's punter, but mirco over Doman?
November 28th, 2023 at 2:02 PM ^
Seriously. Doman played a key role in both the Maryland and OSU games.
November 28th, 2023 at 2:32 PM ^
The special teams page at FEI has OSU 13th in the league in punt efficiency. Only Nebraska was lower.
PSU was #1 in the country; Iowa was #4; MSU and Michigan were also top ten. Their system really likes it when you pin the other guys inside their five. (So do I.)
November 28th, 2023 at 3:00 PM ^
Here are some stats from ESPN:
Doman: 43.6 yards per punt, 40.9 net, 14/36 (38.9%) inside the 20.
Mirco: 42.6 yards per punt, 38.9 net, 15/42 (35.7%) inside the 20.
It's closer than I would have thought based on Saturday, and I think Mirco would have come out slightly ahead prior to The Game. It was Mirco's worst game of the season. In 7 of his games, he punted for an average of 43 yards or more, and his best game was against Penn State: 6 punts for 285 yards. Even so, Doman comes out ahead.
That said, as I look at Doman's stats on both ESPN and elsewhere, someone screwed up his stat line in the Penn State game. It lists him as averaging under 30 yards per punt in that game, which I think we'd all remember. What happened is that he had 5 punts, but they didn't include a 47 yarder in the total, so they divided 4 of his punts by 5. He actually averaged 39.2 yards per punt for that game. If you add that to his season totals he averaged over 44.9 yards per punt. It really isn't close between the two of them.
November 28th, 2023 at 1:55 PM ^
OK, coaches. I'll take Mikey Sainristil, you can have your choice of Tyler Nubin or Denzel Burke. (No quibble about Cooper de Jean). I win.
November 28th, 2023 at 2:09 PM ^
Nubin does not belong on the first team. He went hunting for picks instead of playing sound defense at times, which got him an impressive number of picks, but he was also directly responsible for the insane busts that cost the Gophers the Northwestern and Illinois games.
November 28th, 2023 at 3:29 PM ^
To be fair, as a Nickel Mikey is an All American, but as a CB, he hasn't shown out quite the same way.... depending on how voters value certain DB attributes over others, I could see the reasoning.
November 28th, 2023 at 1:58 PM ^
Mikey got screwed.
November 28th, 2023 at 2:22 PM ^
Waiting for the announcement on the Peter Mortell Holder of the Year award.
November 28th, 2023 at 2:48 PM ^
JJ's not even the 4th best QB in the league?
November 28th, 2023 at 2:50 PM ^
Defense and special teams.
November 28th, 2023 at 2:52 PM ^
I think this is just defense.
November 28th, 2023 at 2:55 PM ^
I guess the other coaches and media don’t place a lot of value in an 80% completion rate - 1TD, No INTs - against “one of the strongest D’s in the country”. That was only JJ’s last game.
