Midway examination of football, it it really the dumpster fire we all think it is?

Submitted by bweldon on November 23rd, 2020 at 11:49 PM

I have been sitting back this year with muted hopes for several reasons.   From the chaos of the pandemic to the ham-handed Big Ten Leadership screwed up things with regards to playing football. Include the list of players that left early for the pros or opted out and eventually did not come back.  Then there was concern about these kids and would they, as a team, be able to stay healthy both from a football standpoint, as well as avoiding a COVID outbreak.

With all of that taken into account, game one was a pleasant surprise, offensively seemed to have found an identity, the defense which lacked playing experience was playing with speed, energy, and passion.  I walked away with two questions, 1) would the offense continue to improve, as the season moved along. 2) would the defense be able to continue to play the same way and improve through learning from their mistakes and fixing them.  

They say the biggest step for athletes that change level (HS - College - Pro) is from year one to year two. It is during that time between the seasons that you see who gets it. Freshmen and rookies are for the most part playing based upon talent and instinct, it is when you get to that second year that you see who has learned things like personal health, training habits, time management, all the things you hear from the announcers about learning how to be a pro. The same thing happens in college as well, I do not care what college, it is rare for players at certain positions to walk onto campus and not only start but star at the major college level. Yes, there are exceptions but most are at running back or receiver, and occasionally a defensive player will flash, like Devin Bush however, most people forget he only played in 7 games as a true freshman. Quarterback is and has always been the unicorn position and, OL is another where freshmen rarely start, and yet Mason Cole was one such Unicorn.  

So on to game two which would have been game five or six during the normal season, and also a "rivalry" game. I do not take that into account this year because of the Jumanji chaos of the year has thrown everything into a blender and hit puree. That being said, my two questions from the first game were answered with a resounding NO on both accounts. The offensive performance did not improve from game one.  For some unexplained reason, it regressed and in some cases badly. The reasons for the regression have been speculated upon since Halloween and are as dead as the proverbial horse. Also, the defense did not learn a single thing from their mistakes and they kept repeating the same mistakes, over and over again, thus allowing an average team and QB to look like a national champion offense. One of the most significant differences between MSU in week two and the rest of this season - ZERO TURNOVERS - look at the numbers, MSU TO's 7, 0, 3, 4, and they even turned the ball over versus Bye this week. The outlier game two against UM. They played a near-perfect game, Michigan did not and it cost them.  I chalk the loss up to several issues that were correctable; lack of short field, lack of chunk plays, predictable offensive play-calling. Finally too many mistakes on defense, most of which were on pass defense, and were things that MSU saw in the Minnesota game and exploited all game long.

Now on to game three, and the team starts a run of three games against teams with a significant advantage when it comes to actual in-game experience. The same two questions were still at the forefront of any evaluation that I was making of this team, the players themselves, and the coaches.  If I remember this was the week when the news broke that the coaching staff is functioning one man short and, that coach was one who was supposed to be coaching one of the youngest groups on the team (Defensive Backs) -1 for learning and improvement.  Taking all of that into account at the end of the game, both questions were still answered no.  The no was not as emphatic as the MSU game, yet with the history of IU insanity and other crazy things, losing to a well-coached football team, that is heavy on the upperclassmen at the critical positions,  maybe frustrating but happens on occasion. I mean how many times has a perfect season or near-perfect season been blown up by an Iowa, or Northwestern squad that matched that description over the past 25 plus years.

Game four again produced a pair of emphatic no answers to my questions and by now I was starting to see a regression in the QB position, and the OL was becoming an experiment in making something out of duct tape and baling wire, just to survive.  Cade came on and did provide some spark, but the Badgers just played better and it was that simple.   Harbaugh made no excuses and admitted that they needed to go back to the basics and find out what works and what does not, and build on it from there. 

Finally, we come to the Chaos in Piscataway, and if anyone honestly believed that the previous five years were going to be any indication of what was going to happen I have some really dry land in south-central Florida that I can sell you cheap.  Rutgers came in playing hard, for a new coach, with a bunch of transfer players that came there looking for a new start.  It is amazing what happens with a change in environment for some people, that being said of the 2 UM transfers, nether produced anything beyond ok stats.  Yes, it would have been nice to have Dwumfour in the DT rotation but it is what it is, in football, there are several aspects of the game that are nearly impossible to predict with any level of accuracy, including injuries, and turnovers being the 2 most obvious.  Hindsight is 20/20 and fate has a perfect record against all of us.   So what were the answers to my questions from game one after this game?  Both were a yes, but it was the second half of the game where they changed to a yes.  At halftime, they were both still no because it was for the most part a repeat of the IU game.  

So why all of this to examine the quarterback situation?  Well, it is because what I saw in the second half of the Rutgers game was what I was expecting to see in some shape or form in the MSU game and moving forward.  I saw an offense that was forcing the defense to not only defend the whole width of the field; but also the length which was the reason for some of the success.  It was the change at QB that I believe was the difference and it is more about being game speed ready than physical attributes.  If you compare Joe and Cade, it is like comparing Chris Webber to Duncan Robinson.  Webber was all world with his physical skills and could have walked on to an NBA court after High School, yet his game was that of a two skill player, dunking and rebounding.  Robinson on the other side of things most likely would never have even sniffed the NBA if not for spending four years working on his game to become what he is today, one of the best pure shooters in the league.  

Cade is not the physical specimen that Joe is. However, I believe after looking at their high school statistics Cade was closer from day one to being a game-ready Quarterback for a division 1 program.    Just look at the numbers:  

HS numbers:
Joe - 3 years 549 attempts 260 Completions 3975 yards. 47% completion percentage.
Cade - 4 years 1324 attempts 770 completions 12084 yards 58% completion percentage.

Even taking Cade's freshman year out of the equation, he still has more completed passes than Joe attempted in the same time frame. Cade was closer to being college-ready despite being 6' 1 and 203, versus Joe and his 6' 6 and 220 as seniors. I could throw Justin Fields numbers in there as well, in 2 years he had better yards and completion % than Joe did. 

Nothing against Joe but he was a raw talent and still is today.  It was said multiple times in the game as Cade was successful at something, that Joe would do the same thing in practice, but for whatever reason,  he has not been able to take the wow from the weekdays to Saturday. That is what the coaches have been looking for and is what is needed to be a successful quarterback.  Cade may never be a Heisman Candidate, but two of the greatest winners at Michigan in the past 25 years at QB were not either, and all the third one did was come in as a freshman and reset the standards for passing numbers over four years.  Brady and Greise were the first two I listed and Henne is the third, and all 3 had the benefit of a team that was a lot older and more experienced than this one is especially where it counts for a quarterback, offensive line, and receivers.   And Henne did come in and beat out two upperclassmen who had little to no in-game experience. That being said, is Cade the answer long term? The jury is and will still be out on that one till the last game of the season. 

I can give a perfect example of 2 pro QB's that mirror Cade and Joe and their game skills. Look at the Texans and Patriots game this weekend. In the pregame segment, James Lofton compared Watson and Newton as QB's.  He commented that both were outstanding athletes, but one was a passer who could run and, one was a runner who could throw.  It is not hard to know who Lofton was talking about with the descriptions, and I see the same thing with the Michigan quarterbacks, there is the runner who can throw (Joe) and a passer who can run (Cade).  

In taking a more in-depth look at Joe, his two most significant weaknesses are his touch and reading coverages, both of which are skills that he can learn and improve upon.  The challenge is making that improvement while being the starter and compounded by the Offensive Line becoming a merry-go-round of starters after the second game.   There were times when instead of sitting back and running the offense, I saw him hesitate when making attempting throws that required a level of touch.  Then other times he would display what I call the gunslinger mentality (Brett Farve), which is believing that his arm talent would allow him to do things that others could not, there was no in-between.  Along those lines, his mistakes were errors of inexperience. He would do things like not seeing the LB dropping into the first window for the deep slant, or forcing a pass in to double/triple coverage, or not putting enough air under the ball on a deep pass and dropping it in the bucket as Russel Wilson does so well.  Those are mistakes that Cade did not make in the second half of the game.  

Then there is the passer who can run (Cade), and as it has said before 12K passing yards and 1300 attempts is a lot of reps.  Add on top of that a 6th place in the Elite 11 passing camp and, you have a quarterback, that has done time in the crucible of high-level competition and come out the other side more prepared for the next level.  In high school, Cade attempted almost as many passes as Henne did in his four years as QB at Michigan and even though Nevada High School Football is not in the top 5 to 10 in the country when it comes to overall talent levels, there is still something to be said for the value of the number of repetitions that Cade experienced.  I do not know any coach that will tell you that time on the practice field is equal to actual in-game experience, you cannot put a quantifiable value on any of that.  

I think that right now Cade is more prepared on the mental and fine skill side than Joe happens to be, that may change, it may not but commpetition in practice will force both of them to continue to perform at a high level and hopefully will help raise the bar for the whole team.

With all of this, what do I see for the last three games?  Best case 2-1 worst case 1-2 3-0 is a dream ending.  I believe a win next week versus PSU will happen, for several reasons, first and foremost, James Franklin's team is a glorious dumpster fire on the offensive side of the ball and in even more of a mess than Michigan is.  I see a possible win versus Maryland, depending upon how much our defense improves.  I am not expecting a turnaround to the level of 2017 and 2018, however, the defense needs to start turning the ball over more to give shorter fields, and more three and outs and FG attempts need to be in the offering.  

With regards to the OSU game, give me a dartboard, and blindfold me I do not have a single solitary clue as to what will happen.  This game could be a shoot out of epic proportions because both defenses are struggling, just look IU put up 35 against them and yet the difference in the game was a pick-six by the Buckeyes.  Or it could simply be the final match that completes the total dumpster fire of a season the likes of which Michigan has not seen since I was a newborn baby back in 1967 when they went 4-6 and lost to MSU, Indiana, Navy, Minnesota, and OSU.  Only time will tell and the one thing that I will promise is that the discussions about this program will be varried and interesting for the rest of this seasson and long into 2021, no matter the results.

Comments

Swazi

November 25th, 2020 at 3:07 PM ^

As long as Cade can keep consistently making the right reads like he did against Rutgers, he should be fine.  

That's been Joe's problem, is he is either making the wrong reads, or he is just straight not able to right now.  There's a few instances where he isn't looking at the end or backer he's supposed to be because he's staring at his hands for the hand off, and I can't imagine all of them were jsut straight running plays, given that almost all of Gattis' plays have some sort of read in them.

But if that's the case, may be a reason why Gattis has looked so pedestrian since Minnesota.  His offenses live and die by his QB being able to make reads.

wolverinebutt

November 24th, 2020 at 2:47 AM ^

I think Cade will be fine.  If we can provide him with decent pass protection and a decent run game we will finish 4-4.  Hopefully,  Mayfield is back this week.  

Of course we need a little bit of life from the D for this to happen.  A young QB's best friend is a strong run game.  A young QB's next best friend is a strong D.  We suck at D this year.  

Montana41GoBlue

November 24th, 2020 at 7:45 AM ^

We'll really see how bad we are when OSU hangs 100 pts on us.  Oh and just saw OSU signed another 5* WR in the last 24 hrs.  Unbelievable. Caleb Burton #15 Natl. #2 ranked WR (247 has him #9 Natl. and #1 WR).  Recruiting matters folks!  Until we change the leadership we'll never return to national prominence!

Geubux

November 24th, 2020 at 9:37 AM ^

When OSU finally decided to upgrade recruiting, after Bruce, they started with 1) Keeping the best instate 2) Looking for the best in surrounding states and 3) getting national when they could.

Had to build the brand recognition.  Urban took it National first priority since the midwest is aging.  But the michigan instate has been having some incredible players the last several years and the upcoming.  I'm hoping we can get some of those players, but jimmy should really work on that first.

Geubux

November 24th, 2020 at 12:40 PM ^

That's true ID, but you need to start to keep the 4 and 5 stars you have in state. The last 3 years and the next two, that would be anywhere from 2-5 players each year.  Then, get a few high ranking from OH, IN, PA.  Even IL and KY have some upcoming.  Fill in the rest from wherever.  But it will take a new commitment towards coordinating recruiting from the coaches, which they haven't shown yet.

UMxWolverines

November 24th, 2020 at 2:27 PM ^

We are losing out on in state players for 2021 to Alabama, LSU, Notre Dame, and Penn State. 

This year we lost them to Kentucky, Penn State, and OSU.

The year before we lost them to Wisconsin, Penn State, LSU, Georgia, and lost #2 and #3 to MSU because our Belleville pissing contest.  

Obviously somebody thinks the state has enough talent to travel all the way up here. 

MinWhisky

November 24th, 2020 at 5:19 PM ^

I think Geubux is spot on.  JH put the cart before the horse and recruited nationally while basically ignoring the states of Michigan and Ohio.  He succeeded, to a limited extent, because of all the glam and glitter surrounding his coronation.  But when JH didn't deliver, the national appeal was greatly diminished, and since he had not developed local high school relationships, that traditional source also disappeared.  Now, he's got nothing.  The M brand is still important, but it doesn't have the same value it once had.  It will take multiple years to rebuild a local/regional network and trust.  And given the history of how those coaches were treated and/or ignored, they won't deliver for JH.   

Double-D

November 24th, 2020 at 5:57 PM ^

Our recruiting “misses“ are less about geography and more about positional roster management and development.  QB, interior DL, and the past two years DB is rearing its ugly head.

In general Harbaugh’s approach is netting him talent level to compete with anyone. Win the 2016 game and couple other key games and the talent level goes up. Momentum is a real thing.

When you have 4 stars at every position of weakness that are not producing its evaluation or development. 

KentuckianaWolverine

November 24th, 2020 at 6:15 PM ^

Stop with "recruiting matters" takes.  OSU has been ridiculously successful, over the last 20 years.  They have won multiple B1G Championships, and won TWO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS.  They have finished every year highly ranked. 

What age group are we looking at here?  Oh yeah.....they have only ever known that OSU is awesome.

Of COURSE they get great recruits!  They built a great program, and are reaping the benefits.  Unless some kind of program wide disaster hits them....they will continue to get better players.

Now....look at Michigan.  The last 20 years....a dumpster fire.  If you look....from the last few years of Carr to the end of Hoke.....Northwestern was more successful than Michigan.

These kids have NEVER seen a successful Michigan program.  Harbaugh's Michigan is BY FAR the best Michigan they've ever known.

Michigan is a cold weather school, strict admission standards, has another successful school in state, and is in a state that does not produce yearly top talent.

Rodriguez said many times that he was surprised how hard it was to recruit to Michigan...before he coached one game.  This is a guy that was coming off a VERY successful season at West Virginia.

It's just like playing a game, and thinking that the Block M and Winged helmets are gonna win the game.  The Block M and Winged H helmets aren't gonna pull kids from Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, or even mildly successful warm weather schools.

Why would they choose Michigan over them?  They didn't grow up with Michigan winning every year.

No matter who the coach is.....we aren't gonna out recruit OSU, and that will make it to where they will always be more talented than us.

With that said...Michigan still recruits well, just not as well as OSU.....which, again, they simply can't.

KentuckianaWolverine

November 24th, 2020 at 9:09 PM ^

Yes.  The 80s and 90s was 40 and 30 years ago.  That was a different time.  Both programs were good for a long time.  Both programs were the only two programs that were good in the 10 team conference, so one of the two had a good chance to win championships.....because they had no competition.  Both programs were good on a national level, for decades.  It's was easier to go into a kid's house and say "MICHIGAN", and get their attention.

What happened from the time Tressel took over was OSU getting better and Michigan going to shit.

Harbaugh took over a team that was on the same level as Northwestern, and OSU was on the same level as Alabama.  In the national picture and in the minds of recruits....for their ENTIRE LIVES.  Think about that, for a second.

Harbaugh came in and has pulled some great recruits, including the #1 overall recruit....based purely on HIS PREVIOUS SUCCESS, NOT what Michigan has done before he got there.  That's a fact.

I'll give you an example.  If Michigan wouldn't have had 15 years of shit results (before Harbaugh got here).....do you think MSU would have had a real shot to out recruit or consistently beat Michigan?  Of course not.

At this point....we are "MSU" looking at "Michigan" .....thinking we are on the same level.  We are not, and haven't been, for decades.

I laugh at people that scream, "Harbaugh was hired to win championships and beat OSU!", because that isn't reality.  If he was hired in 2006, and we were in need of a boost, to "get over the top", then that absolutely would be true.  The problem is.....he was hired in 2015, when we had worse yearly results than Northwestern.  He was hired to make us NOT worse than Northwestern, and be relevant again.....hopefully win championships and possibly beat OSU once in a while.....making that game relevant again.

OSU isn't slowing down, and we are digging out of a 20 year shit hole.  That's the reality.

UMxWolverines

November 24th, 2020 at 9:17 PM ^

This is such bullshit. There are plenty of examples of coaches turning it around at blue blood programs that struggled for years within a few years. The 2016 OSU game is meaningless, we still secured a good class on paper after that season...literally top five. Problem is that class had a ton of misses and transfers, and Harbaugh has not been able to build anything off that class, and that's all on him. 

There have even been sources saying Michigan's recruiting is unorganized and fans just want to ignore it. 

KentuckianaWolverine

November 24th, 2020 at 10:13 PM ^

Please.  Tell me ONE example of a former "blue blood", that has been SHIT (not just "down", but absolute shit") for two decades.....while their two main rivals maintained top 10 results every year, during that time.  While their main rival is not only in their conference, but in the same division, so even going to the conference championship game means beating them.  Oh....actually, that applies to BOTH rivals.  Now, add in the fact that the main rival has won two national championships and played in others.  That main rival has had nothing but success, while that former blueblood was shit.....for TWO DECADES.

Give me ONE example of a that team immediately overcoming all that, within a few years, and became just as awesome as the main rival.....

I'll wait.....

Now, that you realize you can't think of one....apply that in 2020.  ?

Not gonna happen.

 

UMxWolverines

November 24th, 2020 at 11:10 PM ^

1. It hadn't been two decades when Harbaugh got here, so stop exaggerating. 2004 to 2015 equals 11 years between big ten titles for us. 12 if you want to count last time we beat OSU without an interm coach. 

2. LSU had gone 13 years between SEC titles with eight losing seasons and had not won against Alabama in THIRTY YEARS in Baton Rouge until Saban got there and they were national champions in year 4. 

3. Oklahoma had gone 12 years between conference titles with three losing seasons when they won the NC in Bob Stoops second year. 

4. While the OSU thing is always a priority, it's not Harbaugh's only problem. If he were going 11-1 every year with a loss to OSU he would have a lot more good will, but he has only finished higher than 3rd place in his own division once. 

We're not some special case. 

KentuckianaWolverine

November 25th, 2020 at 8:11 AM ^

#1....I said the since Tressel got there, not since 2004.

#2.  LSU didn't have to face an Alabama team anywhere in the same league as OSU is right now.  Saban didn't take over an LSU team that had to play the juggernaut Saban Alabama teams.  In fact, Alabama wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire, at that time, themselves.....which is why Saban was able to go to Alabama, after they fired their coach.  So, while LSU may have went a long time "between SEC titles" and didn't beat Alabama for 30 years......they weren't hot garbage like Michigan was, and didn't have the same hurdles to overcome.  So, your example is very bad and comparing apples and oranges.

3.  Harbaugh took over a team that wasn't just not winning conference championships.  He took over a team that went 5-7 the previous year.  A team that was more famous to recruits for losing to Appalachian State than being a good football team.  A team that recruits have never (in their lifetimes) seen Michigan be "awesome" or even really good, for that matter.  A team that was more likely to lose to mediocre Northwestern or Purdue teams than beating Ohio State or Michigan State.  A team that was shut out vs Notre Dame.  A team that is in the same division of the same conference as it's two main rivals.....one being the defending National Champion and the other being a Playoff team, themselves.  A team that spent the previous season not only 5-7, but on an ESPN news cycle loop for how bad the program handled a kid with a concussion.

Like I said.  If he took over when Tressel started dominating, then we'd be having a different discussion.  The fact is....he didn't.

He took over an old rusty battle ship, that had holes, missing cannons, a broken steering wheel, and lazy/bad/inexperienced crew members.  While trying to fix those issues.....he's gotta worry about Blackbeard's ship (MSU) and the Royal NAVY (OSU) sinking his ship.

Kinda hard to "get the best crew", when those other options are available.

#4.  "Third place in his own division".  That's what happens when your division consists of the defending National Champion, a playoff team, and another team that is a top 10 team.  Kinda hard to navigate that, when you took over trash.  However, he did indeed share a division title, so you're incorrect with your statement.  He was also a couple of OSU wins away from conference championship games and possible playoffs, so.....that OSU hurdle remains a pretty large one.  You know....the top 3 team in all of college football, that focuses on Michigan every year.  Yeah....that team.

#5.  Still waiting on a good example of a team that had come from a dumpster fire to champion.....that had anywhere near the same hurdles as Michigan.  You won't find one, because Michigan's hurdles are unique, and that's why us fans need to use rational logic for our expectations.  We pride ourselves for being the most informed and logical group of fans, but then throw that out of the water with unrealistic expectations.  As much as I want to win championships and beat OSU.....I'm also a realistic person.  Is it possible....sure, but it shouldn't have been expected......yet.  With that said, I'll continue to root like hell that the team proves me wrong and overcomes those hurdles, and wins championships.  Cause that is my job, as a fan.....not to be the armchair Athletic Director or "talking head hawt take guy".

s1105615

November 25th, 2020 at 11:49 AM ^

1.  When do you think Tressel got to OSU?  I feel like it was 2001...so 2004 would totally apply.

2.  What does that matter?  It was a rival that was ahead of them and had been for 30 years if the earlier stat was correct

3.  Harbaugh did bring the program back to relevancy, but everyone in the program knows that’s not the only thing he was hired to do.  He was hired to win B1G Championships and compete for National Championships.  He’s done neither.  Just because you hit one KPO doesn’t mean missing out on your other 4 won’t get you fired eventually

4.  I don’t think anyone argues that the B1G East isn’t either the 2nd toughest behind the SEC West or toughest division in all of CFB.  However, even Auburn finds a way to beat Alabama every 3-5 years.

5.  I don’t think I’d even heard of LSU before Saban went there, and no two situations are ever identical, but it’s a fair to say they hadn’t been successful for a while just like UM 

All that being said, I’d put UM and Minnesota on the same level over the last 15 years.  UM’s brand has allowed them to poke up against the glass ceiling a little more often, but generally with the same spectacular failures.

Double-D

November 25th, 2020 at 12:33 PM ^

Bama sucked before Saban got there....and they fucking dodged Rich Rod fuck.  Clemson got really good fairly quick with Dabo and look to be entrenched.

I would think a “blue blood” with Michigan resources and history would have a natural advantage .

Harbaugh had us closer in 2016 than people realize.  That day of corruption had a butterfly effect. 

UMxWolverines

November 25th, 2020 at 1:01 PM ^

Since Tressel got there is still not "two decades" from when Harbaugh got here. Also it's not really relevant because we still beat them for the big ten title in 2003 and 2004. 

Alabama might not have been as good as OSU but again they had a 30 year losing streak at home to them. Also LSU had to deal with playing juggernaut Florida and Tennessee teams instead. Also you completely ignored that I pointed out they had 8 losing seasons between 1988 and when Saban got there, so yes indeed they were "hot garbage". You also ignored Oklahoma's situation which I pointed out who was also hot garbage. 

Penn State and James Franklin had to overcome scholarship sanctions and have finished higher than Harbaugh 3 out of 5 years so far. 

We. Are. Not. Special. And until everyone realizes this and stops making excuses for everything we will continue to be mediocre to bad. 

MGoBlue73

November 26th, 2020 at 10:49 AM ^

To just think that we don't do a good enough job recruiting or that a coaching change might remedy whatever we are missing, is denying what is happening in college football recruiting right now.  There are a small number of elite teams.  OSU, Alabama, Clemson, LSU, Oklahoma..  These are teams that can tell a recruit that they will be in the college football playoffs for multiple years.  With this advantage, they are able to recruit multiple 5* and high 4* every year.  Load a team with 3 or 4 consecutive years of recruiting at this level and it is a fluke if anyone not in the group beats them.

Another team could sneak in but it won't be a common occurrence.  M is one of several teams in the next group (ignoring this year for now) who do a pretty good job recruiting but not good enough to get close to the elites.  Maybe Urban Meyer could get a team into the elites after a few years but that is no guarantee.

Until the playoffs are changed to include more than 4 teams, this is the way it is going to be.

Wolverine 73

November 24th, 2020 at 9:48 AM ^

Joe’s biggest issues are touch and reading coverages?  You might throw accuracy in there too, unless you are subsuming his inaccuracy in the other two issues.  He also did not look confident at all during the Rutgers game.  Cade was more emotional and more energetic out there.

Golden section

November 24th, 2020 at 10:54 AM ^

Joe's biggest issue is mechanics.  Touch and accuracy starts with solid footwork. Rattle Milton and he flings the ball off his back foot. That's, in-part, why he's good in the week and not so good on the weekends. He falls back to bad habits. He still has to unlearn his default,questionable, mechanics. Joe never had a QB coach until Devin Gardner stepped up.

Dylan's mechanics were really outstanding that is why it was disappointing to see him leave. 

A lot of reps don't help if they're not good reps but what I've seen Cade's footwork seems solid. He does throw well on the run and has the ability to throw at different angles, area where reps help.

With his size, athleticism  and strength, Joe is a rare specimen. it's easy to understand why the coaches drooled over this uncut gem but if they can't improve his intangibles and mechanics that is the way he will stay.

 

Jim HarBo

November 25th, 2020 at 5:39 PM ^

What qb didn't have good footwork in college to the average observer that then amazingly improved,  or didn't still cause an issue layer on?  If Milton doesnt have good footwork in his 3rd year in college,  it means he won't.   

(I think Dan Marino and Ben rothensbuger are like to the exceptions to great qbs with not good foot work)

bweldon

November 24th, 2020 at 6:17 PM ^

When I evaluate a Quarterback,  touch is a general classification of several different things.  For me it includes, how well the player can control the speed of the pass, is he always throwing fastballs when a slow curve or change up is better.  Is the player able to drop that pass over the dropping linebacker, but in front of the closing safety?  Can he throw the deep ball and drop it in the bucket like Mahomes and Wilson are able to do.  In general, can the QB manipulate the angle, velocity, and speed of his passes depending upon what needs to be done?  Accuracy is a three-piece equation, entailing touch, reading the defense, and anticipation.  If a Quarterback is good at 2 of those 3 they will usually be accurate. 

One thing I will do is keep track of the number of times a QB hangs his receivers out to get blasted or forces them to leave their feet (up or down) to chase a throw.  Those passes may be completions however a jumping or sliding WR/TE eliminates YAC which can be a backbreaker for a defense. Just look at all the crossing routes that OSU threw last year, everyone, where the WR got the ball in stride, cost Michigan at least 7 more yards, that adds up big time

 

Booted Blue in PA

November 24th, 2020 at 10:32 AM ^

A QB who has to either over take the named starter, or seize his chance after and injury.... just seems to have that 'chip on the shoulder' edge that can be the difference.

Cade seems to show that, now if the play calling does him a few favors, the Oline holds up its end and we get a pulse on defense..... we can hope for some green shoots in the back half of the season

 

Still think harbaugh has been a disappointment, having his best season in year 2.. this feels like a failure of a coaching hire

Mongo

November 24th, 2020 at 10:38 AM ^

Cade is a gamer.  Need to see if he can bring that spark and efficiency every game.  The issue against the better teams is really in the trenches that has been the biggest decline for Michigan football.

In particular, the DL has really regressed under Don Brown.  His love of the 3-3-5 scheme eschews the giant sized DT like a Mone or Glasgow.  What we are learning is that to compete in the BiG your defense has to be bigger in the trenches and at LB.  Right now we are just two dang small in the front 7.  Yes, we are down Hutch and Paye but even with them we are just not able to fully compete in the trenches.  Personally, we need to change defensive schemes to more of a bend but don't break with huge DTs in the trenches and stout LBs agains the run.  That wins in the B1G.

OL is just young and banged up.  I think we will improve there over the next few seasons and finally build sustainable depth.  But right now with three starters out, we are playing freshman yet again.  But I think they will improve over time just not fully this year.  So we will still struggle against PSU and OSU in the run game, which will slow the offense improvements we witnessed at Rutgers.  

PSU is a real curious situation in the B1G when looking at the CFBstats website.  They are #1 in longest plays from scrimmage.  #4 in total offense.  #4 in total defense.  #3 in sacks.  But man their OL is bad ... #14 in sacks allowed, #14 in tackles for loss allowed and the #9 overall run offense.  And the turnover margin has been grim where they are #13 at minus-9.   However, this game is not a good matchup for Michigan.  PSU has very good receivers and are #2 in longest passes from scrimmage.  If we had Paye and Hutch, I think we could do some damage given the OL stats ... but alas no.  So unless the DL backups can create sacks and TFLs, it will feel more like Indiana again.

My Name is LEGIONS

November 24th, 2020 at 11:05 AM ^

The DL has improved... now its the LB cohort that is small...   Ross is a violent player and often plays great, though the first three games he didn't.     He is small..  and so is Barrett.   I'd rather see Kemp go back to normal weight and play LB.  We have no thumpers except McGrone and maybe hes out.

2morrow

November 24th, 2020 at 11:37 AM ^

Midway examination of football, it it really the dumpster fire we all think it is?

Yes. This is year 6. We just played Rutgers to a 3 OT game. Citing many of the issues raised, all points back to the head coach, whether it is recruiting, lack of depth, preparation, state of the quarterback room, culture, coaching and coaches...

Not to mention, many of the issues you bring up are not unique to Michigan in this - the year of Covid.

Mongo

November 24th, 2020 at 12:11 PM ^

With Hoke's defensive recruits, Durkin and Brown's aggressive schemes were killer.  My view is the recruiting under Brown's watch though has been very poor.  Even the Partridge-led vaunted 2017 slate was a complete bust.  That killed the next few years and lingers today.  

I think we need a completely new approach on defense.  Zordich is a strong teacher so I would keep him but the lack of recruiting chops on defense is worrisome.  And the B1G coaching staffs have all figured out how to beat Don Brown's scheme.   Unfortunately, the defense looks like it needs a complete rebuild. 

Edit - adding our B1G defensive stat rankings for this year:

  • #10 Total Defense / #12 Scoring Defense
  • #13 Pass Defense / #9 Rush Defense
  • #11 Tackles for Loss / #8 Sacks
  • #10 Opponent Long Plays from Scrimmage
  • #14 Opponent Red Zone Conversion (especially pathetic)

UMProud

November 24th, 2020 at 1:10 PM ^

Nice analysis and good read thanks.

My 2 cents...after 6 years I believe Michigan football players are not being taught fundamentals.  There is some basic competencies that aren't being emphasized and the Michigan system for QB development seems to make them play with an arm behind their back in perpetual fear of making a mistake.  Cade's performance was a baller making plays not someone who has endured grooming in Harbaugh's micromanagement style that seems to cause second guessing and paralysis in our QBs.

The chronic problems we've seen at Michigan since Harbaugh's tenure never go away and are systemic in the teams he is putting out.  Dysfunctional clock management, lack of discipline vs penalties, lack of basic game preparation, lack of player motivation, etc.  Further, he seems to not emphasize a sound organizational structure that has a recruiting and coaching process frameworks that exist irrespective of whether coaches come and go.

Team like Wisconsin or Ohio State have systems in place that have been there for years and years.  Hell, even Indiana has developed a system that's been there a while.  Michigan does not appear to have a system and everytime we have a new coach the wheel gets reinvented contributing to our lack of identity every year.

UMxWolverines

November 24th, 2020 at 2:30 PM ^

Yes, it's year six. We should have enough talent on our second string to not be in dog fights with Rutgers and MSU. Indiana was never even a dog fight, we were never in it. 

bweldon

November 24th, 2020 at 6:28 PM ^

The talent is there but game-time experience is not and that is what was the topic in the booth for the Rutgers game.  Taking things from the practice field to the game time.  A certain level of actual game time is needed for the players to be able to do that.  

The difference between what Harbaugh has done and Saban or Urban is in games where he has three or 4 TD lead midway through the second half, he would send in the second team and shut down the offense.  Bama, OSU, Clemson do not do that, they run the full offense till they are up by 5 or 6 TD's and the third-string starts getting PT.  

Bo would do that as well, but for some reason too many people at the big house, these days see that is being rude.  I personally liked it when against Houston back in 1992 when they won 62-7 the student body was calling for the team to score 100.  

I am of the mindset that they came for the paycheck then the team should expect the team's best effort for 60 minutes, not 30 or 45.


 

PasadenaFan

November 24th, 2020 at 7:20 PM ^

I'm a big Harbaugh supporter, but he can SUCK MY DICK, for not having the team ready and not choosing the right QB by a mile.    And blow my fucking Nads out for losing those games.  What a dickhead.  MAN THE FUCK UP!

maquih

November 24th, 2020 at 7:22 PM ^

Cade is a pleasant surprise, we'll see how he does against better competition.  But Cade's relatively good play begs the question, what the hell was harbaugh thinking starting milton??