[Patrick Barron]

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Brian November 21st, 2022 at 11:44 AM

11/19/2022 – Michigan 19, Illinois 17 – 11-0, 8-0 Big Ten

Blake Corum got a screen, and he got blocking. Colston Loveland wiped a guy. Olu Oluwatimi harassed the nearest safety until he could only desperately chase Corum down the sideline. He lined up for an ankle tackle that probably wasn't going to work. It didn't work. Corum… ran out of bounds.

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What? How? What? In the stands I assumed that what I saw is not actually what I saw. In the press box the announcers were so baffled that they didn't even mention it. But in this Zapruder dawn a couple days later we can process the event: Blake Corum just daintily pranced out of bounds because of the vague idea that an Illinois safety might contact him, from behind, maybe.

div/0 fatal error

Correction: div/0, near fatal error.

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The thing is: Corum did this on his first carry, too.

JJ McCarthy is out there getting lit up because he thinks it's the Big Ten championship game and instead of using that Corum just heads out of bounds, with no impact from a defender at all. Here's a picture of McCarthy dying inside.

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"ow" –McCarthy [Barron]

I have seen Blake Corum run the ball enough to know this is not a usual event, and I have seen Michigan games under Jim Harbaugh where the opponent is not given much respect. Earlier this year McCarthy was bailing to the sideline on QB keepers even when this made little sense. I know "save hits where you can" is a philosophy this program employs, but to apply it to Corum, who's coming off a 29-carry day against Nebraska? This was the grand bull-moose of all such disrespect events.

Sorry, Sparty. You're not even the most disrespected team in the league anymore.

You just have to wonder: Schoonmaker, Morris, and Jones all warmed up but did not play. (Jones did get in on a goal-line package.) Keegan and Edwards were in street clothes but had no lower body issues, as your author observed pre-game. AJ Henning was mysteriously absent. Corum re-entered for two plays in the second half and then sat out the rest of the game. Even deep into the second half Illinois was sitting on a lead and Michigan didn't unearth any of the guys who were close enough to health to warm up. Exactly how much focus was placed on the Ohio State game over the past week, month, and year, and how much of this game was a big ol' game of chicken with the Buckeyes?

Probably a lot, and judging by results around the country Michigan was far from alone. Ohio State was in a three-point game with Maryland with six minutes left; they got outgained for the third time in four weeks. Tennessee got ambushed by South Carolina. USC's defense went from mostly notional to an astral presence trying to affect anything in the real world. Even mighty Georgia slopped their way to a 16-6 win over Kentucky. The entirety of the college football world was just trying to scrape by on the penultimate weekend of the regular season.

I kind of hate this approach because it leads to things like this game and, more egregiously, last year's Rutgers outing. It feels like the finger of the football gods passing judgment on you when Corum gets bashed in the knee during the game where it seems like he's been instructed to avoid getting bashed in the knee whenever possible. It feels bad, man.

But we've been here long enough to know that whatever Michigan looks like in the games where they're just trying to get to The Game isn't what they look like against Ohio State. This team has had the luxury of a lot of opponents they could get away with powerfully disrespecting; hopefully they have used that time to prepare a veritable smorgasbord of pain for OSU.

Decks are clear. Armageddon is a go. Break them.

AWARDS

Known Friends and Trusted Agents Of The Week

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[Bryan Fuller]

you're the man now, dog-2535ac8789d1b499[1]

#1 Uh, Well, Still Blake Corum. If you are personally responsible for 150 yards of offense in a half of play and generate a lot of that yourself you still end up here. Even if you probably should have been responsible for 200.

#2 Mason Graham. Graham didn't get starters snaps but was the dude making short-yardage stops repeatedly as Jenkins and Smith had some issues. Four total tackles vastly underestimates his performance.

#3 Jake Moody. Nice having the reigning Groza winner at your service in a game you win by kicking four field goals. Winner was straight down the pipe, and he converted one into the heavy, swirling wind.

Honorable mention: Ronnie Bell battled with Witherspoon all day and came up with a key punt return. Colston Loveland had three catches and should have had at least five.

KFaTAotW Standings.

(points: #1: 8, #2: 5, #3: 3, HMs one each. Ties result in somewhat arbitrary assignments.)

51: Blake Corum (#2 CSU, #2 Hawaii, HM UConn, #1 Maryland, #2 Iowa. HM Indiana, T2 PSU, #1 MSU, T1 Rutgers, #3 Nebraska, #1 Illinois)
23: The Offensive Line (#3 Iowa, #1 PSU, HM MSU, #3 Rutgers, #1 Nebraska)
21: JJ McCarthy (#1 Hawaii, #2 UConn, HM Maryland, HM Iowa, #3 Indiana, HM PSU, HM MSU. HM Rutgers)
18: Ronnie Bell (HM CSU, HM Hawaii, #1 UConn, #2 Indiana, HM PSU, HM Nebraska, HM Illinois)
17: Mike Morris (T3 Hawaii, HM Maryland, #1 Iowa, T1 Indiana, #3 PSU, HM Rutgers),
15:  Kris Jenkins (#3 UConn, T3 Hawaii, HM Iowa, T1 Indiana, #2 MSU, HM Rutgers, HM Nebraska)
14: Mazi Smith (#1 CSU, T3 Hawaii, HM Maryland, HM Iowa, HM MSU, HM Nebraska)
13: Mason Graham (HM Hawaii, HM Iowa, HM Indiana, #2 Nebraska, #2 Illinois)
9: Donovan Edwards (HM Hawaii, T2 PSU, T1 Rutgers)
7: Gemon Green (HM UConn, T2 Maryland, HM PSU), Jake Moody (HM PSU, #3 MSU, #3 Illinois).
5: DJ Turner (T2 Maryland), Junior Colson (#3 CSU, HM UConn, HM PSU), Luke Schoonmaker (T3 Maryland, HM Iowa, HM Indiana, HM MSU), Michael Barrett (#2 Rutgers).
4: Eyabi Okie (HM CSU, HM Iowa, T1 Indiana).
3: Derrick Moore (HM CSU, T1 Indiana), Jaylen Harrell (HM CSU, T1 Indiana), Rod Moore (HM CSU, HM Indiana, HM MSU)
2: Roman Wilson (HM CSU, HM Hawaii), Max Bredeson (T3 Maryland), Joel Honigford (T3 Maryland), Mike Sainristil (HM Maryland, HM Indiana)
1: Braiden McGregor (HM CSU), Makari Paige (HM Hawaii), Rayshaun Benny (HM Hawaii), Cornelius Johnson (HM Hawaii), , AJ Henning (HM UConn), Caden Kolesar (HM UConn), RJ Moten (HM Maryland), Will Johnson (HM Rutgers), CJ Stokes (HM Nebraska), Andrel Anthony (HM Nebraska), Colston Loveland (HM Illinois)

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

Moody's field goal to win is right down the middle.

Honorable mention: Corum busts out on the first play from scrimmage; TD drive ensues from there. Bell's punt return sets Michigan up for a field goal. Graham stuffs a fourth and short.

image?MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

Corum takes a helmet to the knee, causing him to (maybe) fumble and more or less knocking him out for the duration. Insult to injury.

Honorable mention: Brown bursts for a 37-yard touchdown that puts Michigan in its first second-half deficit since Penn State. Inexpicable Corum exit in game column. Garbage holding call brings back a 40 yard improv play to Wilson. Andrel Anthony drops a touchdown.

[After THE JUMP: broken passing game]

OFFENSE

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aaaaargh [Fuller]

What's wrong with the passing game? Yes. Well: at this point the passing game looks like it'll be the thing we're talking about in the aftermath of a competitive but doomed outing in Columbus. The receivers turned in three critical drops—one each from Wilson, Anthony, and Gash. The latter two were touchdowns (or close enough to bash in) that took 11 points off the board. Meanwhile McCarthy followed up a couple of those drops with passes airmailed over the heads of tight ends, the second one a boggling line-drive overthrow of a wide open Loveland.

Opportunities are not going to be that frequent against OSU, and way too many of them have looked like this of late:

Just misses, without even an opportunity to make a play on the ball. And then when there is a play on the ball we get the other side of aaargh.

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[Fuller]

Just have to hope this is a confluence of unfortunate events and that things will be instantly and painlessly fixed next week in the biggest game of their lives. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Not quite there on rollouts. One point to McCarthy for being able to escape this pressure up the gut, but when he rolls out he draw Loveland's defender but does not throw to Loveland:

Maybe you gotta Mahomes that and it goes badly but it's third and ten, that's time for the Mahomesening. McCarthy did manage that on a later improv opportunity:

That's the one that got called back on a holding call that is thoroughly horseshit. I'm not negging Zinter for that; it's a rollout on which he releases pretty much immediately when he realizes the DT is leaving, and there isn't even a noticeable yank back from the DL. Nobody would have noticed if the flag did not come out. FWIW, Illinois got hit with an equally horseshit holding call on the Brown run that got out to the 45 with about 40 seconds before the half.

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[Barron]

Loveland though. Colston Loveland is a "now" player. From last week's UFR:

It might be time to talk about Loveland in the present tense. Most discussion of him this season has focused on the future, stuff like "oh he's getting a lot of playing time he'll be an important piece next year," but he more than held his own as a blocker in this game and—while I am basing this largely on vibes at this point—he feels like an explosive downfield threat in a way that Schoonmaker is not.

Here he became Michigan's go-to guy down the stretch, with the above catch-and-run out of a mesh concept setting up Michigan close to field goal range; the same play was the argh coulda-shoulda third down that leads this section. He was also wide open on the Gash drop, causing my section to explode in anguish at WHY ARE YOU THROWING TO HIM WHEN YOU COULD THROW TO HIM; on the broadcast Blackledge is befuddled at how this guy is open on every play. He blocks well enough that you can't just go nickel when he's in the game and he's running contested comeback routes against safeties without an issue.

He's going to be a key piece in The Game.

What kind of defense? We have had many passive defenses this year. This was not one of them. Second and twelve? Let's send six guys, and we either get a TFL or a chunk:

Illinois spent a lot of the game in a six-man front and virtually the whole game with an extra guy in the box. They are the one team that was fully prepared to take on Michigan's murderball rushing outfit, probably because they are the one team on the schedule that can credibly claim to have an equivalent.

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free hitter going to make contact at the LOS [Fuller]

Approach: less than ideal. This is not going to be a good RPS outing for Michigan because they spent much of the day running into +1 boxes from Illinois and having their free hitters whack guys at or near the line of scrimmage. Sometimes this was fine because Corum made it fine or Illinois defenders checked McCarthy. Mostly it was not fine. You just cannot make a living running the ball against +1 in the box when the opposition assumes they have the cutback with the unblocked guy and can slant to the play:

That is a million percent RPS. I am about to get in some annoying arguments with folks who always take the side of coaches in these situations, but when Corum is trying to break the tackle of an unblocked backside DE your playcall failed. None of those blocks are miraculously going to be made.

Arc without the QB. On the other hand, this counter was pretty brilliant and took advantage of the crashing without exposing McCarthy:

There were a few things Michigan pulled out in this one in addition to this. They ran their first running back screens in I don't know how long and a bunch of crossing routes that got Loveland freed up repeatedly, and they had a couple of man beaters for their critical fourth downs.

On the controversial fourth down. I'm not sure what the deal is there. There was a previous completion to Loveland on which Loveland runs through very similar contact before breaking open:

If a guy jams you are you automatically committing OPI by trying to get off it? According to the rulebook… uh… yes.

V.. Before the ball is thrown, wide receiver A88 moves four yards downfield directly toward and in front of the defender, B1. At this spot, B1 pushes A88, who then uses his hands to contact B1. RULING: Team A foul, offensive pass interference, if the legal forward pass is beyond the neutral zone. Penalty—15 yards from the previous spot. VI.

This makes every attempt to get off a jam that uses your hands OPI. Obviously the game is not called like that. Players have leeway to run through defenders attempting to stall them out, like Loveland does on that play. Loveland did not come off the guy trying to jam him to hit the player in man coverage on Gash, which is something that (almost) always gets called. What actually happened is far more ambiguous, because who is blocking who?

I mean yeah: Loveland is blocking. Because of the context. But otherwise it's just two guys mutually fighting each other. Usually that gets let go. In conclusion, the NCAA rule book is insanely draconian about OPI and the result is anarchy.

I mean, maybe it was fine? Michigan was minus their top two backs, top two tight ends, and two starters on the OL. Isaiah Gash got a significant amount of run. Maybe in that context 376 yards of offense and five scoring drives isn't the worst thing in the world. Corum: 18 carries, 108 yards, 6.0 per. Not Corum RBs: 15 carries, 49 yards, 3.3 YPC. If Corum doesn't get knocked out, Michigan scores on that end of half drive and probably ends up scoring some variety of touchdown in the second half and we're not talking about a narrow escape at all.

DEFENSE

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Combined sacks in foreground of this picture: 2.5 [Barron]

Erp: concerns seemingly validated. We had some pass-rush avalanches earlier in the season that caused a bunch of folks to declare preseason worries overblown. Six days prior to The Game I think we can say that Michigan doesn't really have a complete defensive end. Harrell and Upshaw are the guys prophesied in the season preview: good run defenders, responsible, not going to tear off the edge. Okie/McGregor/Moore have flashed against weaker lines but haven't put up much of anything against the reasonably competent.

Related: chaos? Nope. Michigan turned in an alarmingly havoc-free day against Illinois, with one TFL and one pass breakup. DeVito was not sacked and was rarely pressured at all. No Mike Morris is a factor, but this is not an offensive line with a stellar pass protection record—they're solid but only that. Michigan's attempts to get near him were almost universally defeated, with a notable fourth down exception coming when the guard across from Taylor Upshaw didn't have the snap count.

DTs: tested. Illinois was the first team on the schedule to really go after M DTs with double teams and the had a fairly good success rate on them:

It should be noted this is the opposite of the Illinois approach where they always have a free guy in the box. Michigan spent almost the entirety of this game playing soft and asking their front six to make plays. They did a fairly good job outside of the 37-yard run given up to Chase Brown, and that was on Barrett and Upshaw more than any DT—Upshaw in particular just failed to retrace at all on a play where he should be able to get in a tackle attempt.

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gone but not forgotten [Fuller]

MOVE! Don Brown is coaching UMass now but that doesn't mean he's entirely gone from Michigan. After a timeout on a pivotal fourth and one Michigan went with the ol' Don Brown MOVE call:

Not technically illegal, the best kind of illegal.

Monster in the making. Mason Graham made what was maybe the play of the day on an early fourth and one:

He keeps popping up in places; he should have drawn a couple different holding calls far more severe than the Zinter incident. Right now he's sort of eating these some of the time. With some development he'll go from losing out on plays because he's being held to making plays despite being held.

ARO defeated. I did enjoy Michigan's comprehensive defeat of America's Rollout Out, a play so commonplace on third down that I started labeling it "America's [Blank]" more than a decade ago. It just works, over and over, and so for Michigan to delete it like this is a pleasant departure:

Illinois did not cope with similar plays well because they're so heavy on man to man. Michigan has departed from that plane of existence.

SPECIAL TEAMS

I don't like it. Finally I preview a team and find out their punter is sort of butt, so of course his first effort is a 64-yard blast that settles down at the three. I disapprove of this. At least his other punts were pretty thoroughly butt, including a shank and the final one that set Michigan up at the 48. That probably wasn't due to the wind, judging by the flagpole at that moment. It was just a 30 yard punt.

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[Fuller]

I do like it. Gonna be weird when Jake Moody isn't here anymore. Ditto Robbins. The Robbins/Moody era stretches back decades and is known as the Pax Specialistica in textbooks. At some point Tommy Doman is going to miss a 34 yarder and I'm going to crawl into a hole and die.

Well, Ronnie, okay then. One Ronnie Bell punt return served up at a crucial time, although it was not—as Sean McDonough claimed—Michigan's longest of the year. It was Bell's, because Henning is the punt returner.

MISCELLANEOUS

Same Ol' Bert. Bielema chased the officials across the field so he could scream at them:

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Then he retweeted the Illini equivalent of @GoBlue69420 bitching about the fourth down conversion. My rhetorical policy going forward here is 1) yes it's rigged, 2) STFU and cash your check unless you want to be in a conference with Idaho.

Yeah, kick the field goal on fourth and eleven. I punched the numbers into an NFL fourth down calculator:

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This was my instinct live as well, because the field goal is obviously very useful and converting a fourth and eleven is ~20%.

Also, yes, take the penalty on the Illinois drive. The fourth down calculator also comes up with "go for it" on a hypothetical fourth and one, and there was approximately a 100% chance that Bielema would have gone for it as a three-score underdog with a mashing ground game. I love me some Mason Graham but not enough to roll those dice.

Slightly more dubious, but, yeah don't settle. Michigan got the ball down to the 22 after a Witherspoon PI on Bell and had 47 seconds and no timeouts. They elected to continue attempting to gain yardage despite having a 39 yarder in their pocket. Johnson caught a ball for five yards on second down, which got reviewed and (inexplicably) upheld, so Michigan had another shot; McCarthy attempted a back shoulder fade that got knocked down.

Michigan's other options were immediate turtle or running on second down and then spiking the ball. I don't like immediate turtle even with Moody, but a second down run is probably fine. I don't think the margins here move much.

HERE

Best and Worst:

Best:  11-0

I’ll spend time this diary discussing all that went wrong in this game but up top we have to recognize that Michigan is 11-0 for the first time since 2006 and assured of back-to-back 11+ win seasons for the first time since Fielding Yost roamed the sideline and everyone played football with 26-year-old dock workers and meat packers smoking pipes and popping cocaine-laced throat drops at halftime.  Now, on the one hand this isn’t as uncommon as you may think, as schools as diverse as Alabama, Oklahoma, Clemson, and OSU to Michigan State (Dantonio was and remains an asshole but the man can coach), Penn State (during the Frames era), and even old nemesis App St. have accomplished this feat this century.  In fact, over a dozen teams have accomplished this feat since 2000.  But Michigan hadn’t until now, and considering how many people were ready to dump Harbaugh in the Huron River after 2020 to be back to this level of dominance is truly amazing and should be cherished.

State of Our Open Threads:

After a rather long stretch of somewhat depressed participation, which can be attributed to things like the site format and the widely accepted idea that the open threads for football games are a cesspool of negativity even during comfortable games, we finally managed to generate a performance which rivaled some of the threads of seasons past - very large, very negative, even despairing despite the win in the end. Just like old times indeed. …

Let's look at fucks given, for starters:

This is not an error - there really were 406 fucks given yesterday, which far and away tops the 251 that we gave for the Indiana game. There were two major contributors to this, and I am sure you would guess what they are - the passing offense being very, well, frightening and Blake's apparent injury, which we now know was not all that bad, but even so, they still held him out in the second half, which I am sure many of us would have done.

Comments

DetroitDan

November 21st, 2022 at 2:54 PM ^

"Congrats Jim, you turned JJ into Cade by having him avoid risks and be a game manager."

That's a fair criticism, but both JJ and Cade have managed 11 win seasons.  So there's that.  Tom Brady was a game manager until his ability broke out and made it clear that he was so much more than that.  1. Be a good game manager.  2. Ascend to the next level against Ohio State (and Georgia).

RealElonMusk

November 21st, 2022 at 5:47 PM ^

You said, "almost paid for it dearly"-  losing that game if Michigan beats OSU would be a complete non-event.  It may feel bad at the time but like losing to Staae last year it would have no impact on the season.   

That's why Michigan played conservatively and rested key players.

It wasn't fun but people are putting reading way too much into a game that Harbaugh was fine with losing.

maquih

November 21st, 2022 at 7:46 PM ^

Illinois game result is totally meaningless.  If anything, an outright loss might have been good because it means when we beat ohio it's pretty much impossible for them to stay in the top 4 if they lost to a 1-loss team.  

That said, it was impressive to beat a ranked team that had to win in order to have any hopes of winning their division.  Hopefully Corum is totally fine and ready for next saturday, but I wouldn't have blame Harbaugh at all if he sat Corum the entire game.

 

bronxblue

November 21st, 2022 at 9:27 PM ^

Congrats Jim, you turned JJ into Cade by having him avoid risks and be a game manager.

This is one of those comments that is wrong on a couple of levels so I can see why it has to be yelled loudly in a stadium so that volume can hide the laziness.  

First, Cade McNamara wasn't a "game manager" last year as much as he was asked to perform within the confines of the offense to maximize its potential.  When called upon Cade could sling the ball around the field and I'm sure McCarthy could as well to an extent.  But all season Michigan has been able to steamroll teams with their running offense and the only reason they didn't keep steamrolling what is both statistically and practically one of the best rush defenses in the country in this game is because they were down to their 3rd and 4th-string RBs and also down two-ish starting offensive linemen and a lead TE.  Lots of teams would love to be able to run an efficient offense and is one of the best in the country but it's really hard to do so with a run-focused offense because it requires skilled offensive linemen, dynamic running backs, and great downfield blocking.  

McCarthy takes a lot of risks; all season he's tried to throw balls into tight windows and downfield and over players' heads as he's falling down.  This speaker seems to equate "risks" with downfield passes.  And honestly, the reasons McCarthy isn't throwing as much downfield probably is some combination of past struggles, game situation, weather, and bad luck.  I don't think it's a coincidence that CJ Stroud, a guy who loves to lob the ball downfield, has "struggled" (by his standards) the past month or so throwing the ball.  It's cold, it's windy, and he's been in games where taking care of the ball is more important than the incremental benefit of a long completion.  

McCarthy hasn't "regressed" as much as I think fans overrated McCarthy's potential as a first-year starter at a major-college level at Michigan.  It's why I called out the absurdity earlier in the year where people called him perfect because he blitzed overmatched Hawaii and Colorado St. teams.  It's fucking hard to be a great college QB and Harbaugh's offensive philosophy isn't cookie-cutter; it's going to expect you to read defenses both pre- and post-snap and make tough throws.  It's not that I'd call other offensive philosophies more or less gimmicky but it's been telling to watch Tennessee, for example, struggle somewhat offensively this past month as teams started to figure out how to slow down their breakneck pace offensively and make them actually deal with defenses physically capable of holding up against the UT athletes.  

As for struggling QBs, McCarthy isn't putting up Caleb Williams numbers but compare him to the top QB from his class (Ewers down in Texas) and McCarthy is playing much better in his first run at the top.  I've been critical of McCarthy this year but he's still undefeated as a starter and has UM poised to return to the CFB playoffs, so if that's what you get with a "game manager" sign me up.

Blue Vet

November 21st, 2022 at 1:25 PM ^

Go Blue. Beat the Buckeyes. 

P.S. And don't fall for their propaganda trying to puff themselves up.

• They're NOT the Bucks, their PR attempt to seem fierce. They're the Buckeyes, a kind of nut. (They could easily be the Ohio State Peanuts or Ohio State Hazelnuts.)

• They're not THE Ohio state university, which is more of their self-aggrandizing PR. They're an Ohio  state university. Like Ohio University.

BornInA2

November 21st, 2022 at 1:39 PM ^

Corum didn't look 100% to me, even before the knee thing.

I've always been a proponent of 'play real teams', especially in the non-conference season. When winning the Big 10 was the ultimate goal, it was better to schedule good teams non-con to prepare for the games that mattered. Now that we've moved to 'don't lose at all costs', we get a home schedule like next year. I'm not sure who's winning from this.

2023 Home Schedule:

East Carolina

UNLV

Bowing Green

Rutger

Indiana

Purdue

OSU

The next step is, of course, to Alabama-it: They also schedule cupcakes for the week before rivalry week. This year it was Austin Peay. I'm not going to bother to confirm, but I seem to recall they they played Incarnate Word a few years back the week before rivalry week. So maybe we scratch Purdue next year and schedule Washtenaw Community College's intermural football champ?

Maybe a twelve team playoff relieves this some? Dunno. But the direction we're going doesn't make for fun fandom, at least for me.

bronxblue

November 21st, 2022 at 2:19 PM ^

My feeling about scheduling at this point is I'd prefer they play someone better in the OOC season because it makes for more entertaining games but at least for this year and next fans are stuck with garbage and so be it.  That said, ECU nearly upset top-15 NC State to open the year and also took UCF to the woodshed (NTW) and could be feisty.  UNLV will be bad bit and so will BG but that's life.  2024 does bring Fresno St to UM and also a trip to Texas, so if that holds fans will get some good opponents.

I do think a 12-team playoff will encourage more competitive schedules because a "good" loss might help you get in the 11/12/13 spots.

maquih

November 21st, 2022 at 7:49 PM ^

 I'd prefer they play someone better in the OOC season because it makes for more entertaining games 

Being in a position to win the conference is the most entertaining thing I can hope for from the team.   

I sat in the stands for Hawaii Connecticut and Colorado State, and I don't regret a single minute of it!!

Oldadguy

November 21st, 2022 at 1:44 PM ^

Question: how does the coaching staff sell to the players: play it safe and we're going to go vanilla and sit a few guys? Basically, we don't respect these guys and neither should you. Seems like a recipe for a Tennessee outcome

rc90

November 21st, 2022 at 1:54 PM ^

Nobody was watching, especially Bielema, but the Corum fumble was pretty weird. #4 for Illinois picked it up, took two steps, and then dropped it casually. The referee then came over and picked the ball up to spot it where Corum went down. I don't know how you give Illinois credit for a recovery there.

mwolverine1

November 21st, 2022 at 7:20 PM ^

The refs blew the whistle, indicating the play was dead with Corum being in possession of the ball when down. However, on replay they ruled that Corum fumbled prior to being down. By rule, possession is then awarded to another player only if there is a clear recovery by either team. Illinois clearly recovered the ball and they therefore get possession at the spot of the fumble, as you are not permitted to advance a fumble that is ruled by replay.

rc90

November 22nd, 2022 at 10:51 AM ^

Thanks for the explanation. But this part seems odd to me:

you are not permitted to advance a fumble that is ruled by replay.

This is a Schrödinger's Cat fumble, the play is both dead and not dead. Some googling indicates you need to have an official who called the play a fumble, but nobody seemed to do this. Everyone on the field seemed to take it for granted that the play was dead.

I don't have a bigger problem with the ruling, since Corum clearly fumbled before his knee hit the ground, and Illinois #4 clearly has a case for recovery. But #4 also dropped the ball pretty quickly. If a Michigan player comes over and picks up the second fumble, then what happens?

I guess the bigger point here is that refs really should be trained to let play continue on borderline fumbles. Unfortunately that can lead to confusion, since you can have, say, a strip-sack in the endzone where the officials all agree the QB was down at the time of the fumble, but they didn't actually call it that way.

tybert

November 21st, 2022 at 2:36 PM ^

I was at the game and not surprised at all that we had a full 60-minute game. A lot of the fans in my EZ were worried about this being a trap game and it was. Ohio had the same vs. Maryland (that game was 33-30 and MD had the ball at its 42 with 6 min to go). 

Illinois had one big drop (on a fake off of a WR screen) that would have been a long gainer if not TD. We lost at least 3 on the Corum injury/fumble. Had back to back plays on the 17-13 drive that could have been a TD, if not for the drop and overthrow. The Anthony drop that was a TD.

Illinois and Bret were absolutely desperate for a win, after the loss to Purdue last week (the MSU loss made beating Purdue a must). Chase Brown was brilliant and well worth being an All  Amer 1st teamer. He reminded me of Hassan in how he waits for the hole to develop and then busts through, but he has an extra step of speed vs. Haskins. They made great adjustments in the 2nd half on O, until we made our own adjustments to slow them down. I'm not defending our staff completely for some very conservative play calling (runs without Blake and Donovan are not working vs. good Ds), but rather credit Illinois for an excellent game plan, especially Devito and his passing game. He hit several key passes to convert 3rd downs. Plus, they were often in 3rd and less than 5 where the run was still an option.

Let's trust that the staff will have most of the best players back for Ohio AND we will see some play calls we have been holding just for THE GAME, like Tressel and Meyer have done to us.

 

GO BLUE!

 

readyourguard

November 21st, 2022 at 2:52 PM ^

Holding by a lineman on the edge, trying to keep a defender from getting outside of him, gets called a lot.  ESPECIALLY when the jersey is quite clearly getting tugged.  I'm surprised so many people disagree.

I ask; had that been Mike Morris getting held by an Illinois linemen, would you all think the refs should've let it go?  (anyone who says yes is clearly not being honest)

gbdub

November 21st, 2022 at 10:10 PM ^

“Holding by a lineman on the edge, trying to keep a defender from getting outside of him”

That’s the thing though, Zinter basically let go as soon as the lineman started moving outside. Zinter didn’t materially affect his outside momentum at all. Seth was right - if that is called a hold consistently, the B1G may as well stop playing football because every play will be flagged. 

growler4

November 21st, 2022 at 3:02 PM ^

I didn't see the broadcast live or on replay, so I don't know what the commentators had to say about Corum early on.

While watching the game live, at the Stadium, I was dumbfounded when I saw Corum go out of bounds ... particularly on the screen pass. He looked a little slow (for him) on that run and a few weeks ago, I think he would have cut away from the sideline to avoid the tackle.

I just assumed that he was less than 100% but was healthy enough to play. When he came out after halftime, he gestured to the crowd that he was good to go. He had a couple of carries, perhaps confirming that, albeit with possible residual soreness. After that, I guess they didn't want to risk further injury.

wolverine1987

November 21st, 2022 at 3:33 PM ^

Isn't it more likely Corum ran out out of bounds because of the (IMO wrong) modern approach of running out of bounds when you think you can't get many more yards? I have a hard time thinking he was instructed that if you're running for the end zone and hear someone behind you to run out of bounds

Blue Balls Afire

November 21st, 2022 at 3:53 PM ^

When being chased in the open field, our backs in high school were coached to make a cut when the pursuer got close in order to change the angle of pursuit. So if running free down the sideline, just before you felt a defender closing in, make a shallow cut inside and run a skinny post. Worked nine times out of ten. I don’t see Michigan’s backs and receivers doing that. They run a straight line until tackled or out of bounds. 

Double-D

November 21st, 2022 at 4:24 PM ^

So is the Anthony wheel route a missed pass or because AA stutter stepped vs jumping into his route a timing issue.

Seems to me a bit of both.

JJ needs to get his shit together on touch passes and wide open guys. It’s almost like he needs a tight window to force him to nail the throw.

He didn’t just forget how to hit the open man.

And he certainly would be helped by guys catching the ball on critical plays. 

M_Born M_Believer

November 21st, 2022 at 5:33 PM ^

My HAWT take is that it appears that JJ sometimes sees a play and is just too quick to make the throw.

For example.

1) AA wheel route, yes "normally" the wheel route is suppose to continue to the sideline, AA for some reason cut it up field ever so slightly.  Yet JJ saw the wheel route, saw it was open and then threw it to where he expected AA to be.  Instead of taking a beat longer (fraction of a second) and see AA's route and then throw.

2) Gash's drop - Again, its open, I have the throw.  He does make the throw, but again, if he takes a fraction of a second longer and see the field, Loveland is open for a walk in TD and he has made that throw before.

3) Loveland rollout - This is only a half ding as he is rolling the opposite way of his normal throwing motion, but again, Loveland come wide open as the LB starts charging up too soon.  Doesn't even need to be a perfect pass, just a flick of the wrist and big completion

4) Loveland over throw.  He sees the play developing, he knows that he has the route, but is just a split second anxious to throw the ball.  Give is another split second as Loveland continues and that becomes an easier throw.....

These are examples of play that are the difference between a good QB and a great one.  I still firmly believe that JJ will get there, it is just a matter of continuing to let the play come to you and not "rushing" it, even if is just a split second....

Toss in AA drop on that beautiful throw, had Michigan completed 2-3 of these 5 plays, it is a comfortable win and everyone is far less Chicken Little....

Double-D

November 21st, 2022 at 10:27 PM ^

That’s not a hawt take at all.  I think you nailed it.

JJ gets excited and anxious on some of those plays.

Each of those plays likely results in the WR being more open if JJ holds on a touch longer.

Still he has to know when to just touch pass it in there with a wide open guy even if the WR has to wait for it.

Those are throws he made as Sophomore in HS.  

matty blue

November 21st, 2022 at 6:06 PM ^

one game theory note that i haven't seen pointed out...

illinois won the toss and deferred.  we chose to receive, obviously.  illinois, given the choice of directions, chose to go with the wind in the first quarter.

i turned to my son.  "oh!  bert picked the wind to start...that means we get the wind in the fourth.  i don't think it's going to matter, but if it's a close game we'll have the wind."

little did we know!

uminks

November 21st, 2022 at 6:20 PM ^

I hope Blake is well enough to be the superman RB this Saturday. Instead of playing it safe, he will zig and zag down the sidelines and/or just jump over those DBs on his way to the endzone. JJ is going to have to have a big day. I've been waiting for him to have one and may be he and our WR can have that big day on Saturday.

getsome

November 21st, 2022 at 7:04 PM ^

that weak counter h or whatever michigan calls it worked well.  im sure well see more.  

moody is a beast, enough said.  hopefully he kicks like 8 PAT's this weekend. 

well see if they can overcome lack of QB pressure and inability to consistently hurt defenses via pass, both significant issues vs top teams

TrueBlue2003

November 21st, 2022 at 7:35 PM ^

The big ten should do what the SEC does and schedule a conference bye in the penultimate weekend of the year.

Why risk diminishing your biggest games to injury and / or "traps".

Start the conference season earlier and don't schedule any the weekend before the last.

The SEC is smart about this.

The Deer Hunter

November 21st, 2022 at 7:37 PM ^

I might be over analyzing this but trying to get into Harbaugh's head of the way he approached this game. 

Why sit these guys when some of them were likely available? 

This game wasn't an elimination factor. The stakes would have been exactly the same next week win or lose. If Michigan is sitting at 10-1 and win @OSU you still win the East. Give my players another week to be 100% in the game that counts.  

Why run Corum excessively? 

How do I explain to a Heisman contention player that Stokes gets his carries when Blake has the ability to cement an opportunity of a lifetime? 

If this is Harbaugh's approach, the only conundrum I see is that Harbaugh doesn't think that his team will get into the CFP without beating OSU. I think it's totally possible, but I'm not in Jim's head. 

Anyway, good summation Brian as always and agreed it's a game of chicken. Hopefully we'll be the fox in the henhouse come Saturday. 

SC Wolverine

November 21st, 2022 at 8:03 PM ^

Thank you for mentioning Corum running out of bounds when he easily could have run for a touchdown.  (Not to mention the previous play.)  I have been trying to make sense of this.  I guess you're right -- contempt for the opposition is the most likely explanation.  Still, it's perplexing.

DMZBlue

November 21st, 2022 at 10:22 PM ^

Strange take on Corum IMO Brian.  The 'Occam's razor' explanation is that he was dinged going into the game (knee, hamstring, ankle, who knows).  He didn't have the burst we've seen in the past, knew he couldn't out run the pursuit and headed out of bounds.  

Whether he aggravated the previous injury or it's something new we'll likely never find out.

lhglrkwg

November 22nd, 2022 at 12:34 PM ^

Yeah I agree with that too. Seems more likely to be Corum was dinged but wanted to go and the agreement was you can go but minimize the contact you take as much as possible. Run out of bounds if you're not gonna gain anything else. You saw it on the first run where JJ threw the block and on that long screen. Seemed he was intentionally avoiding contact

GoBlue1969

November 22nd, 2022 at 8:42 AM ^

I gave a couple double fucks in a few posts on the thread, as some other probably gave. BPONE was in full BPONE mode. I just hope this game was as vanilla and everyone trying not to get hurt caused the closeness of the game. But JJ has got to give his receivers a chance to make the catch. And fergodssake receivers, CATCH. THE. BALL. 

Go Blue!

Beat Damn Ohio!!

 

Wolverine In Exile

November 22nd, 2022 at 10:15 AM ^

Thinking Edwards may be as big a factor as Corum being healthy for this week. Need that additional speed element that threatens edges and puts LBs at risk of exploding in man coverage. Plus if Corum can't go full speed, Edwards is at least a big play waiting to happen in the run game.