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Brian September 3rd, 2020 at 1:30 PM

Ah well so. The President is now involving himself with the Big Ten's decision to cancel fall sports, thus forcing this site to consider whether he is likely to have any impact on the situation. Here's a video of the president saying that people were throwing bags of soup at police. It seems unlikely this man will have any positive impact on the situation.

Is there a situation? Dan Patrick has a source saying that the Big 10 may reverse course and try to start up October 10th:

There's a lot of hedging in this item above, and other Sources are dumping on it pretty hard. Pete Thamel:

To say multiple sources denied the notion of the Big Ten playing immediately would not be strong enough. The sources heartily laughed at it. The notion of playing around Thanksgiving is in embryonic discussion, and there’s a desire among coaches to start as early as possible. But “immediately” is in another universe, especially with multiple Big Ten teams not even having players on campus right now.

Dan Patrick says this source was the same one who was out in front of the Big Ten's cancellation, but that resulted in a report of a 12-2 vote of some variety which apparently did not happen. I'd put Thamel's cadre of sources ahead of Dan Patrick's solitary, already wobbly one. Likelihood of an October surprise: ~1%.

Man I bet Kevin Warren thought this was going to be a cushy gig. Instead everyone's furious at him for other people's votes and he has to get on the phone with a [redacted] and listen to it blather on about all the strokes it didn't have and how antifa bought all the mulligatawny because it's foreign.

[After THE JUMP: presidential debates should just be Jeopardy! Fact.]

Doomed, if true. Penn State's top athletic doctor:

During a State College Area school board of directors meeting on Monday night, Wayne Sebastianelli — Penn State’s director of athletic medicine — made some alarming comments about the link between COVID-19 and myocarditis, particularly in Big Ten athletes. Sebastianelli said that cardiac MRI scans revealed that approximately a third of Big Ten athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 appeared to have myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle that can be fatal if left unchecked.

“When we looked at our COVID-positive athletes, whether they were symptomatic or not, 30 to roughly 35 percent of their heart muscles (are) inflamed,” Sebastianelli said. “And we really just don’t know what to do with it right now. It’s still very early in the infection. Some of that has led to the Pac-12 and the Big Ten’s decision to sort of put a hiatus on what’s happening.”

That is a big difference between the previous statements about myocarditis in Big Ten athletes. When the issue first made it to the public consciousness the fact that 10 to 15 Big Ten athletes had been diagnosed was cited. That rate would mean that Rutgers football alone would have 10 guys.

That's alarming, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's get a second opinion.

Truly the stupidest timeline.

More in stupidest timeline. Almost half of Power 5 schools will not disclose their COVID testing numbers. Many of them are citing HIPAA, which obviously does not apply:

Many of the schools that declined to give data to ESPN cited federal student privacy laws, university protocols and other confidentiality considerations, although legal experts say those laws shouldn't be applied to such a request because the data wouldn't identify specific students.

Michigan was one of ten schools that answered all of ESPN's questions.

Basketball plans solidify. Per the Athletic the Division 1 oversight council is expected to move the start of basketball season back two weeks to November 25th, which is the day before Thanksgiving. Many schools have altered their schedules so that students will not return to campus after the Thanksgiving break; hopefully the late reduces fiasco levels somewhat.

Also in the offing: bubbles. Michigan's neutral site tourney this year is run by these guys:

The Gazelle Group, which operates several events scheduled for Madison Square Garden and the Barclays Center, and the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame, which puts on the Hall of Fame Tip-Off and Hall of Fame Invitational, are proposing another bubble model with an intriguing twist. They are going to invite several teams to come to Mohegan Sun, the casino resort in Uncasville, Conn., during a two-week window in December. Not only would those teams have the chance to play games already scheduled, but they also would be given the opportunity to cross-pollinate with the other events and pick up additional opponents.

Rick Giles, the president of the Gazelle Group, says he is talking to additional schools that have expressed interest in joining up. If the season begins 15 days later than normal, schools around the country will be looking to make up games. Schools also are also anticipating cancellations of nonconference games that are usually held on campus, creating a demand for matchups made on the fly.

Michigan was scheduled to play two games at Madison Square Garden. Instead they might end up going to a bubble and get many of their nonconference games in that way. That two week window would probably have to be pretty rapid-fire if it is Michigan's main/only nonconference slate. Six games? Seven?

Also in the Athletic. Brendan Quinn previews the season. There is the requisite amount of Franz hype but I thought this was an interesting thing from Columbia transfer Mike Smith:

“I don’t know if I necessarily see myself like (Simpson) because I don’t need the ball,” Smith says. “I’m not a (ball-) dominant guard, where I need to come off ball screens to create. I feel like this team, a lot of these guys have played with each other and they have one more year in Coach Howard’s system, and it’s going to open up other doors for people to create for themselves, instead of one person having to create for them, which was what I saw when I watched the film. That’s why (Simpson) had nine assists per game, because he was creating for everybody else, which I can do, but, like, I don’t feel like I need to do that. I mean, if Coach tells me that’s what he needs me to do, then, hey, I’m going to dribble the ball like I’m James Harden and find everybody.”

When Smith committed to Michigan we noted that his mediocre efficiency had a lot to do with his giant usage and the team around him. He appeared to have the #1 translatable skill for an up-transfer: a sweet stroke. Smith was a 95th percentile spot-up shooter last year. If Michigan can find spot-ups for him that should go very well. Getting spot-ups for a 5'10" kid who's supposed to be your point guard is the trick.

Hello fast person. Hockey picked up a commitment from Minnesota forward Jackson Hallum recently. The Draft Analyst on his performance at the Minnesota state tournament:

The first thing you notice about Hallum is his speed – pound for pound, he could be the fastest skater in the entire 2020 draft class, let alone in the State of Hockey.

But having elite speed is just part of Hallum’s consistent contributions. He is a versatile checker but also a strong playmaker and accurate passer with good vision. One of the things I like the most about Hallum is that he makes heady plays while slicing through the neutral zone at top spot. All his movements are fluid no matter the direction, and he will peel away from pressure or execute a timely chip and chase rather than try to take on three or four opponents at once. Hallum also plays physical, is an in-your-face forechecker, and can anchor the top penalty-killing unit. There’s some Ryder Rolston in his game from a stylistic standpoint, but Hallum is more creative as a playmaking center than a shoot-first winger. He’s uncommitted but should have his choice of premier Division I schools.

Sounds like he could be in the Dwight Helminen/Carl Hagelin vein of extremely fast defensive centers with some offensive upside. Michigan gets commits from Minnesota high school players so rarely I have no context for his numbers. He had 61 point in 43 games last year, but he's in leagues where guys score well over 2 or even 3 PPG. There's a guy in his league who put up almost 4 PPG who Neutral Zone barely ranks!

Hallum's likely to be in the USHL next year after Green Bay took him, and that'll provide some context that's more useful.

Etc.: Kork Coupons self-Dragos. College players already sign all sorts of crazy crap that in any other context would clearly designate them as employees. Minnesota gets a waiver for a 7-foot Drake transfer. Max Bultman on hockey's incoming class, stay inside, sacrifice all for hockey. Good breakdowns of Matt Beniers and Johnny Beecher at the Daily. It's a post-X world.

This year's Madden is a doozy.

Upcoming vote of no confidence in the administration. More on myocarditis. One man's bad math ruined English soccer. What rescued it? A guy with a horn incessantly playing Earth Wind & Fire's "September" during all national team games, men's and women's.

Comments

los barcos

September 3rd, 2020 at 1:44 PM ^

Was going to give Griff Lucas the benefit of the doubt and say what a great troll job.  And then I clicked through his profile and...nope.  Truly the stupidest times. 

MGoStu

September 3rd, 2020 at 2:05 PM ^

Talk radio of any sort makes me want to drive into oncoming traffic, so I really don't know anyone who has a show. Last time I listened to any of it I was driving from Washington to North Carolina after I got out of the Navy in 1994 and there was nothing else on the radio in the middle of Nebraska.

Yinka Double Dare

September 3rd, 2020 at 2:12 PM ^

a lot of podcasts are basically talk radio. give me the Fullcast folks and I'd probably listen to talk radio on occasion. 

will never understand how people listen to Clay "Liceman" Travis on things like politics, medicine and gambling when his takes on what he actually went to school for (as he'll make sure you know, he used to be a lawyer (for like 2 years) and he married a cheerleader) are also usually wrong.

Dean Pelton

September 3rd, 2020 at 1:53 PM ^

Yeah I mean if an October 10th start is really happening I would think fall camp has to start Monday at the latest and even that is pushing it. Also seems like the Big 10 would hint about releasing a revised schedule. Have to think all of these scenarios about playing in October are being pushed by people associated with OSU. 

Rafiki

September 3rd, 2020 at 2:47 PM ^

Not just osu. There are plenty of B1G schools in states/cities where there isn’t much going on other than football during the fall. And some of those schools and their surrounding economies are gonna be hit hard financially if they don’t play. 
 

But all of that is why ppl should’ve done the smart thing the past few months. 

bronxblue

September 3rd, 2020 at 2:52 PM ^

It really does seem to be coming from the OSU universe.  I'd be surprised if the Big 10 is seriously considering October 10th since that's practically a month away.  I know teams are practicing but staying in general shape and installing parts of your offense and defense isn't the same as game planning.

 

bronxblue

September 3rd, 2020 at 10:14 PM ^

Sure, but the announcement would have to coincide with the release of these rapid tests, re-scheduling teams based on those that would opt out, and all of the logistics that go into making the facilities, the travel, etc. ready for these teams.  But I agree that from a football standpoint you could do it.

WindyCityBlue

September 3rd, 2020 at 1:57 PM ^

As discussed in the other thread, myocarditis is not new and is caused by many things, including COVID.  According the studies I've read, the condition in most cases is not permanent and can be treated with simple OTC medications.  The key question is if COVID does something unique to cause myocarditis whereby making it more permanent compared to getting the condition from say chickenpox.

bklein09

September 3rd, 2020 at 2:10 PM ^

It's not just the permanency that is of concern. I'm assuming that not all myocarditis is created equal. Sure, other viruses and conditions cause heart inflammation, but is the heart inflammation caused by COVID worse? Does it carry a higher likelihood of causing cardiac arrest during exertion? And yes, is it potentially longer lasting? We don't know the answer to any of those questions, and that is why people are worried. 

There is documentation of some pretty gnarly vascular damage caused by COVID, and it often lasts for weeks/months after recovery. It's possible that the myocarditis could also behave differently than we have seen in other illnesses. 

TrueBlue2003

September 3rd, 2020 at 4:06 PM ^

We won't be able to answer any of those questions because we don't really know much about myocarditis in relation to any other specific causes. 

The majority of cases are undiagnosed because we don't give MRIs to everyone with a cold, per the myocarditis foundation: https://www.myocarditisfoundation.org/about-myocarditis/

And even in the few severe cases that get diagnosed, the cause is rarely identified, per the mayo clinic (again, because when we have colds those themselves are rarely diagnosed or differentiated). https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocarditis/symptoms-causes/syc-20352539

We have basically no context about this.  We don't even know if 30-35 percent or whatever all the numbers that are being thrown around are higher than for other viruses.

I imagine we'll start researching other viruses a lot more to both provide this context and to help understand potential future pandemics.

Jonesy

September 4th, 2020 at 5:21 PM ^

Lots of things cause death too, that doesnt make it a less serious side effect. One of the worst things to do with myocarditis is exercise, thats exactly what football players do all the time. Furthermore it has almost no symptoms until it kills you and covid also often has no symptoms. So all these people getting covid and not knowing it, 13% of them (not 30-35, still a lot) get myocarditis without knowing it, and then they go exert themselves heavily and permanently jack up their heart or kill themselves.

 

Being not new and caused by other things does not make it less serious. It's the 3rd leading cause of sudden death in people of this age.

Denarded

September 3rd, 2020 at 2:13 PM ^

Can we just call this website for what it is now? A political opinion blog with bits of Michigan athletics sprinkled in. Everyone wants to bash one side or the other thinking they are all high and mighty and know better. Nobody here knows shit about how to combat COVID and I don't know anything either. The politicians and experts who are now the new celebrities have taken over your sports/entertainment escape and are playing everyone for fools, probably laughing their their ass off at you behind the scenes.  

bronxblue

September 3rd, 2020 at 2:47 PM ^

I swear the number of people who think sports/entertainment didn't have major political elements until now astounds me.  The fact people kept saying these used sports to "escape" from politics was usually because they didn't have to care/notice about the political and social influences that had shaped the sports they were enjoying.

Yes, when POTUS tweets about calling the commissioner of the B1G to discuss how he can get sports back in the fall by amorphously promising access to rapid testing for a pandemic that has claimed over 180k+ lives in this country, we've pierced whatever insubstantial veil may have previously existed between sports and politics.  I'm sure once college sports pick back up we'll see a drop in these types of posts but, I mean, the reason we don't have sports right now is because of all these issues.  They're inseparable.

As for the assumption that doctors and experts are somehow excited that people continue to not listen to them and a thousand people die a day, I guess I haven't gotten quite that cynical yet.

WindyCityBlue

September 3rd, 2020 at 3:23 PM ^

Well, remain astounded, because it sounds as though you don't recognize nuance in these discussions. 

Sure, sports intermingled with politics is nothing new.  However, not long ago it was subtle and mild, and the political aspect of sports was easily avoidable if you wanted without interrupting the aspect of sport.  But its really really in your face now.  It's during the national anthem, it's written on the court.  Commish's who once were politically neutral, now stand strong on one side and make it visible.  And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

And just to be clear, I have nothing against these political messages.  I still will go to the same amount of games I always go to.  But it's easy to see how much MORE of it their is.  So for those out there who use sports as an escape and find it hard to do so now, I totally understand.

And if you haven't gotten cynical yet for the countless things people do everyday that go against doctor's/expert's advice (i.e. smoking, etc.), then you may never will.

Shop Smart Sho…

September 3rd, 2020 at 3:33 PM ^

Just because you didn't see the politicization of sports before now doesn't mean it wasn't there. It just means you were comfortable enough to ignore it. 

Some people saw the forced patriotism of giant flags, national anthems, fly-overs, and whatever that bullshit the Yankees started doing during the 7th inning stretch as politicization of sport. The NFL pre-games that were paid advertisements for the armed forces was pretty damn blatant, but I don't remember the anti-politics in sports crowd getting up in arms over it.

It seems that the complaints only get really loud when it is minority-led protests. We only have to look at what happened to Kaepernick to see an example of that. If that doesn't work for you, go back and read about the response to Muhammad Ali or the outcry over Tommie Smith and John Carlos.

Politics touches every corner of public life, and to pretend otherwise simply doesn't make any sense.

Jevablue

September 3rd, 2020 at 4:56 PM ^

Just as with the virus, it’s all about the dosage. 
 

for instance, many people are aware that there are allowable standards for rodent hair and even feces in packaged food. Trace amounts may be present. 
 

and then ESPN, Lebron, et al come along and make it a primary ingredient. 
 

you still like the taste of that?

lhglrkwg

September 3rd, 2020 at 3:53 PM ^

Well the way the pandemic has been handled (or not handled) nationally has a direct impact on Michigan sports. It's almost unavoidable, especially when the President tries to pressure the Big Ten into playing for political gain

Nobody here knows shit about how to combat COVID

Americans are too isolated from the rest of the world. Almost every other western nation has handled this better than we have. It's not like it's some grand mystery