The wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you f-ing moron" [photo: Patrick Barron]

Spring Football Bits is Suad Goals Comment Count

Seth May 3rd, 2021 at 9:27 AM

This has got to be our last one right? Here’s the offense, but I have some late-breaking bits to add. Some of that was from Steve Lorenz and Brice Marich on their recent podcast. The rest was from Harbaugh, either speaking to the Detroit Athletic Club, or when sharing the same information on Jansen’s pod that only us bits reporters listen to, and you don’t have to because one of those reporters is tireless transcriber Isaiah Hole of WolverinesWire. I left 90% of it at the link because you should be reading him.

  • QB: Via the DAC, Harbaugh seems legit excited for Cade. Villari’s playing some special teams. Harbaugh mentioned a special Run QB package for him.
  • RB: Corum and Haskins are co-starters, expect some Edwards packages. (via both Pod, DAC)
  • WR: Roman Wilson was banged up this spring, via the 24/7 podcast.
  • TE: Just gonna quote the DAC guy: “Erick All has really elevated himself.  He’s a great catcher.  Specifically said that he would be disappointed if he didn’t get 70-75 targets this year.  Also mentioned he could really block.”
  • OL: This is all from the pod: Zinter, Hayes, and Stueber have locked in OL jobs. Barnhart, Keegan, Filiaga, Vastardis, Rumler, and Trente Jones are the others in the mix, and Crippen got himself on the two-deep then Atteberry asserted himself. Lorenz said it felt like to him that Zinter’s heading towards starting there, and that Keegan is probably the leader at left guard. He too heard Willie Allen leaving was about getting passed by Trente Jones($), something I was guessing at earlier. Harbaugh admitted they have a scoring system for the OL and the versatility means they think they’ll end up going with the five highest scores.
  • In general: A lot of players missed time for contact tracing, some quite a lot of it. Nothing to be done.

The most interesting bit is Andrew Vastardis isn’t among the locks (and presumably not one of the top five scores). I agree with Lorenz: that can only mean they really want Zinter to pick up center. Gun to my head, the starters against WMU are (L->R) Hayes-Keegan-Zinter-Stueber-Barnhart, with Jones a darkhorse to pass Barnhart.

The parts about All are nice but probably just mean he’s still the starter. The stuff about Villari garners attention because he’s a quarterback, but it’s not hard to read this one: 1) Harbaugh likes how Villari practices and wants to reward it, and 2) They had three scholarship QBs this spring, two teams in the spring game, and most of the family members who saw practice couldn’t tell you much more of what they saw than who was under center.

Let’s do the D.

[After THE JUMP]

Defense Overall

What we want to hear:

What we’re hearing: My practice observer said they’re a LONG way from that. There was a lot of confusion on both teams on where they were trying to get lined up. The Blue team (coached by Gattis and Macdonald) was burning clock between snaps, possibly to let the defense figure it out.

He said what stood out to him is Macdonald is featuring his best player’s skills. This (my fault—I made an ass of ume) turned into a conversation about Dax Hill and things the Ravens wanted to do with Earl Thomas, but then he came back to this and said really he meant if you squint at the “OLB” position and imagine Aidan Hutchinson back there, that’s what he meant.

The only valuable thing I got from the insulting spring video is a tiny bit more evidence that “Multiple” means they’re a 3-4.

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Mike Morris (#90), previously an SDE, and Caden Kolesar (#35), a safety, are on the wings, with Jaylen Harrell (#32), an OLB/DE next to him (his arm is behind Kolesar in the still). Then Harrell comes.

What it means: It would have been nice to see the whole coverage but this is what they’re talking about with the “multiple” approach. Like the Ravens have for most of the last decade, I think Michigan wants to start with a lot of beef on the line of scrimmage. Most of the time that will mean three guys at 300 pounds or more lined up somewhere from one offensive tackle’s outside shoulder to the other’s. One of the more common alignments will be this:

In some nickel situations the nose will come out for what’s technically a 2-4-5, like Wisconsin does. Since the two “outside linebackers” are indiscernible from 4-3 defensive ends, you can just call it a nickel. In other nickel situations they’ll remove an inside linebacker, and you’ll get the 5-1-5. They’ll also have a dime where two of the big heavies are lifted, and we’ll call it a 1-5-5 even if it’s the same exact people Don Brown had on the field for his 3-3-5.

Defensive Tackle

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Local bear Mazi Smith had the right defense come to him. [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear:

What we’re hearing: Michigan offered Illinois State transfer DT who chose Arkansas a few days later. It’s of interest only because this was the first name Michigan’s been associated with in the DT portal since making at run at PSU’s Antonio Shelton, but shows they still very much want help. I’m not going to get angry about the fact that Minnesota, Northwestern, and USC, all excellent academic institutions, don’t seem to have a problem with transferring credits from Clemson, Old Dominion, and Alabama, which are academic institutions.

Okay I am.

Sam Webb collated his defensive line notes($) into one insider article that focuses on Mazi Smith (had a solid spring), Hinton, and Jeter as the only scholarship DTs getting discussed, with walk-ons Jess Speight and Joey George apparently ahead of the rest. ITF agrees re: Smith:

This source was really impressed with defensive tackle Mazi Smith, too, saying he did a really nice job plugging the holes on the interior gaps. He also felt the Blue team had the more experienced guys up front, one of the reasons Cade McNamara had a better day Saturday.

The name not getting much mention all spring was Julius Welschof, at least until Harbaugh went on the Jansen pod:

“There’s guys like Mazi Smith – you talk about ascending really, really doing well. Mazi, Chris Hinton, Julius Welschof, Kris Jenkins, Jess Speight, Joey George had a heckuva good spring. And Donovan Jeter – veteran guy, staring at defensive tackle. That interior defensive line is really, really coming along. As I said, Mazi had a heckuva spring, and so did Chris and then the young players like Julius Welschof, Jenkins, to go along with Donovan Jeter. Feel like we’re getting stouter in the middle as well.”

Jack Stewart hasn’t been heard from since moving from guard.

What it means: It’s nice to hear Kris Jenkins has grown enough that he’s mentioned with the tackles, since that’s where his upside’s up, and we weren’t hoping for more than that this year. Welschof was coming along in Don Brown’s system, and you’d think a guy who was on the field as a 3-tech in that defense would translate to an off-tackle spot in this one. It makes more sense when you consider the Ravens have had a 350-pound dude as their off-tackle the last five years.

Clearly they’re worried about this position, especially regarding depth. They’ll keep working the transfer market, but if any of the freshmen can play they’ll be on the field.

Projected depth chart: I’ll make a box.

Left Tackle Nose Guard Right Tackle
Chris Hinton Mazi Smith Donovan Jeter
Jess Speight Chris Hinton Joey George
Julis Welschof Jack Stewart Kris Jenkins

Defensive End/OLB

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Butts wanted. [Barron]

What we want to hear:

What we’re hearing: Aidan Hutchinson has been out this spring with last year’s broken ankle, so that’s why we’re not hearing much from him. Nobody on the yellow team (Morris, Harrell) got to McNamara in the spring game but David Ojabo and Taylor Upshaw made things uncomfortable”($) for JJ McCarthy, though against mostly 2nd string OL. Upshaw got a few bat-downs my guy said.

Jaylen Harrell stood out to Sam Webb’s insider($):

The player I heard the most about in the front seven was Jaylen Harrell. He had a good day from his OLB spot. Really physical. He can rush the passer, but is comfortable standing up.

The other guy he’s hearing about a lot is Mike Morris at DE. It seems he was responsible for batting as many as four of McNamara’s passes. Rivals says Morris is OMG shirtless($)-ripped.

Jansen said on his podcast that he was “seeing” David Ojabo. It’s more interesting to me that Harbaugh mentioned the defensive ends first when asked about young guys stepping up: about young guys stepping up:

“Taylor Upshaw, Mike Morris, David Ojabo, Gabe Newburg, Jaylen Harrell and Braiden McGregor – those are players that were defensive ends that now are stand-up outside linebackers. Really, it fits their ability, fits their talent and I saw them make huge strides. Talk about their energy, talk about the fun of those guys – all young players, all ascending players in a new role that all really had good springs. That’s probably the best example.

What it means:

Harbaugh mentioned everybody. Upshaw, Morris and Newburg were guys Don Brown meant to grow into Anchor types once they grew some butts. Ojabo, Harrell, and McGregor were the more hybrid OLB/DE types who stood to benefit most from the move to a 3-4. The emergence of Mike Morris here was unexpected because I thought of that guy as a potential Chris Wormley.

I have a guess why we’re hearing more about big guys, and it goes back to those Ravens fronts. Baltimore’s method of moneyballing the salary cap has been to skimp on elite pass rushers:

While the Ravens allowed their productive pass-rushers to hit the open market, PFF’s Research and Development team was finalizing their thoughts on the actual value of pass-rushers, especially when compared to coverage players. Depending how much you were taught that football is won in the trenches, the results may have been counterintuitive, as strength on the back end proved to be more valuable than getting after the quarterback, and the Ravens’ team-building effort appeared to be following a similar blueprint.

The short version is the OLBs have to be excellent run-stopping edge defenders first, because they’re already positioned so that a B-level pass rusher can pick up plenty of sacks. My HTTV article gets into the why and what for, but I want you to start envisioning in your mind players like Aidan Hutchinson and Kwity Paye, not Jake Ryan or Josh Uche, as the ideal “OLB” in the new Michigan defense.

Projected depth chart: In order (side doesn’t matter yet): Hutchinson, Upshaw, Morris, a tie between Harrell/Ojabo, McGregor, Newburg, but in reality this is like a classic American League pennant race where the Yankees and Red Sox are locks to take the AL East and Wild Card berths, and there are five other teams going into September within three games of the other two division titles.

Linebacker

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Who says hybrids aren’t in fashion anymore? [Bryan Fuller]

What we want to hear:

What we’re hearing: Sam Webb wrote ten days ago that Michigan was “giving chase” in the hunt for Tennessee transfer LB Henry To’oto’o, but looks like they’ll finish third behind Ohio State and Alabama. The 24/7 staff believe Junior Colson “could be a star in the making” after a spring, with one of Sam Webb’s sources predicting All-American before he leaves.

Harbaugh had praise for his senior on the Jansen pod:

“Before we leave the defense, Josh Ross is also that kind of class, I would put him in there up with Aidan Hutchinson. Mike Barrett had an extremely good spring. Some real good, young linebackers came to the floor: Nikhai Hill-Green, Kalel Mullings and then mid-year freshman Junior Colson stood out.

That list does not include Cornell Wheeler or erstwhile viper Anthony Solomon. Also 2021 LB recruit Tyler McLaurin, whose season just wrapped up, is hearing there’s a chance he could contribute early this fall.

What it means:

This is about as bad as the talk can be without actually saying anything bad. Josh Ross really came apart last year and not acknowledging it makes me fear that’s because they don’t see a substantially different player. It’s clear he’s locked down his starting spot though, so they don’t much like what else they have. Barrett was the natural WLB candidate as last year’s Viper starter, but this is a much less straightforward role. It’s good that Colson is competing early, but when you read a true freshman’s on the two-deep before he’s supposed to be out of high school, that’s not great for anyone behind him. Also when the program thinks it has something to offer over two programs that can promise to be in the playoff, what else can that something be but a starting spot?

Projected depth chart: Again, an order because the positions are interchangeable: Josh Ross, Michael Barrett, please send help, Junior Colson, Nikhai Hill-Green, please help, Kalel Mullings, re-reading Jaydon Hood’s profile, watching Tyler McLaurin games, and the hope that this was a normal cost of this specific transition.

Safety & Nickel

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Preparing for takeoff. [Bryan Fuller]

What we want to hear:

What we’re hearing: Sam Webb’s been hearing Dax Hill’s been all over the place($).

What was most interesting was his usage. He played a lot of nickel today. I’m told he made five or six plays all from the nickel spot. It makes sense to use him there to take advantage of his outstanding versatility and the abundant talent in the safety room as a whole.

Multiple observers mentioned he jumped a route but dropped the INT. My friend said Dax has been doing “Peppers things.” That seems to track with ITF’s observation:

Dax Hill is going to be a stud. He was used in so many different ways, be it in the slot, or in nickel formations, setting the edge and making hits in the run game, and coming up in run support.

Brad Hawkins missed a bit of practice with an injury so RJ Moten (at strong safety) got some opportunity to earn a spot in the rotation with Makari Paige (at free). ITF notes the emergence of these guys is what’s allowing Dax to play more nickel.

Harbaugh in the Jansen pod:

“Dax Hill and Brad Hawkins – other guys that lead by example, had extremely good springs. Young safeties really asserted themselves. RJ Moten and Jordan Morant and Caden Kolesar and Makari Paige are all ascending as well on that defensive side.

What it means: There’s less nothing than the usual nothing being said here, but RJ Moten coming along enough that they’re comfortable playing three safeties is good news for him. Names not mentioned when Johnny Kolesar’s kid made this bits twice are probably not happening anytime soon.

Projected depth chart: Dax Hill and Brad Hawkins, with Paige and Moten the guys coming in when they play three safeties.

Cornerback

What we want to hear:

What we’re hearing:

Sam says Gemon Green has been the best corner in camp($), to the point where they’re pulling him to give younger guys more reps. Further evidence that he’s #1 with a bullet: Green got to represent the defense to the media, said the new coaches expect different things, that Linguist is teaching more NFL skills. There’s usually not much to learn from these, but Gemon is clearly new to it, which unintentionally created the most genuine five minutes from the program all offseason:

More Gemon please.

Meanwhile DJ Turner is coming for Vincent Gray’s job—from everybody it’s been neck and neck with the advantage Turner. Those three are clearly the top three corners. Isaiah Hole’s editorial thoughts on why he chose Gray over Turner on his depth chart are a good rundown of the battle in general:

Gray’s return as a starter isn’t as set as Green’s, especially with reports DJ Turner has really stepped up his game this spring. But Gray also improved in 2020, though it wasn’t nearly as apparent as it was for Green. The turnover in coaching doesn’t help Gray’s case either, as there are fresh eyes both at his position as well as at defensive coordinator.

There’s also this from Marich’s depth chart:

And then there's Turner, who has a blend of speed, technique and tenacity that make him a genuine candidate to start. It sounds like he missed some time during fall camp last year that may have cost him the starting job. If he can string together a few strong practices, he can make up some ground.

Gemon also mentioned his brother German Green has been moved to cornerback. Safety/viper Quinten Johnson was seen at cornerback($), getting beat on a fade to Cornelius Johnson. Jalen Perry has moved to safety, and I haven’t heard Sammy Faustin’s name since last year’s preseason hype. There were some rumors that Andre Seldon was considering entering the portal, but those got definitively squashed by Seldon’s dad. Balas said Seldon’s “had a nice spring.”($)

What it means:

Projected depth chart: Gemon Green

Comments

mGrowOld

May 3rd, 2021 at 10:44 AM ^

Oh I agree the reasons for the problem will be quite different, I just think the outcome (lack of talent - poor results on the field) will be similar.

I mean if what Seth wrote is accurate (and Seth is unfortunately almost always accurate) then this is the most pessimistic write up on an upcoming season I've seen since the 2008 campaign and even that one was optimistic in the sense that "we may suck but at least it'll be exciting and the future looks bright".  This one reads like "we're gonna suck, we're gonna look lost and confused and oh by the way, everyone reading this will die sooner or later."

Eat at Arby's.

Erik_in_Dayton

May 3rd, 2021 at 10:58 AM ^

If I take step back, what's interesting to me is that there is reason to be optimistic about 2022 and beyond. Improved recruiting and the presence of McCarthy suggest a bright long term future. But Harbaugh has to make it through 2021 first. And this does seem like one of the lesser Michigan teams of the past 15 years. 

kehnonymous

May 3rd, 2021 at 12:37 PM ^

I hate that I'm at this point, but I have no expectations of McCarthy doing anything great in Ann Arbor.  It's not that he's not talented - I don't doubt that he is - but it's that I now have every reason to believe that Harbaugh's coaching puts a hard ceiling on what a QB can do.

I make no claim of insight on how he coaches the QBs, how much he coaches the QBs or whatever - but you are what your record says you are, and the QB's under Harbaugh rarely make any plays that the defense or the RPS gods don't already give them.  They're mostly game managers at best who still manage to make mistakes without the holy shit plays to offset those.

McCarthy likely is a guy with all the tools, but I fear that Harbaugh will coach that out of him and leave him another guy with a dynamic arm and playmaking ability that isn't allowed to flourish.

And again, I'd love to be wrong, but there's six seasons of football saying that I'm not.

KentuckianaWolverine

May 3rd, 2021 at 1:19 PM ^

Comments like this make me think the mass majority of the fan base has some sort of mental block as to how bad the last 15 years really were.

The last 15 (full seasons):

7-5 (2005)

11-2

9-4 *Carr's last year

3-9

5-7

7-6

11-2

8-5

7-6

5-7

10-3 *Harbaugh’s first year

10-3

8-5

10-3

9-4

A 3 win season, two 5 win seasons, three 7 win seasons, two 8 win seasons (one was Harbaugh), two 9 win seasons (one was Harbaugh), three 10 win seasons (all Harbaugh), and two eleven win seasons.

Meanwhile (just to put things into perspective, and show what our rival was doing while we sucked)....OSU was 10-2, 12-1 (lost in the national championship game), 11-2, 10-3, 11-2, 10-3, 11-2, 12-1, 6-7 (one year of Luke Fickle), 12-0, 12-2, 14-1 (National Champions), 12-1, 11-2, 12-2, 13-1, and 13-1......in that same time frame.

Kevin13

May 3rd, 2021 at 2:01 PM ^

I don’t think this team will be as pathetic as you and others think. We still have a lot of talent and could have a very good offense that can move the ball and score a fair amount of points. As far as defense being out of position people need to Understand it’s all brand new for them. They have all summer to watch film and learn. They have fall camp to get this system down. I would expect the defense to be a little better then last year   We have improved the coaching staff and our recruiting efforts. I’m willing to wait until fall and see how we do. But my god I don’t think the program has fallen off a cliff because of one bad season 

Vote_Crisler_1937

May 3rd, 2021 at 9:09 PM ^

Kevin13,

The program has fallen off a cliff. I don’t think that because of one bad season, I think that for so many other reasons that other posters have pointed out here. 
 

You think the offense might move the ball and score points? What is your evidence of this? Have any Harbaugh teams been high scoring? What reason do you have to think our QBs will make plays, our line will block, or even that key players will stay healthy? It’s very difficult to think any player but Jake Rudock, or maybe Higdon, ever reached his potential on this offense.
 

If teams are scoring easy on the Michigan defense they are going to take shots at the offense left and right. How do things work out when Wisconsin decides to get aggressive and take shots at our players? 

ERdocLSA2004

May 3rd, 2021 at 11:14 AM ^

I’m not sure how this is any different at all.  Dantonio might have been reshuffling the deck chairs, Harbaugh is simply finding different people to sit in them.  At the end of the day, it’s the captain that is running into icebergs, replacing the crew doesn’t change anything.

massblue

May 3rd, 2021 at 12:46 PM ^

Next year?!  First, given my limited "inside" information, Harbaugh will never be dismissed.  He will retire before it gets that bad.  Second, Jim was in a funk last year and as I mentioned way back, he even discussed retirement with his brother.  He is in a much better situation this year.  Third, this team, especially the offense, is going to surprise people.

See you Sept 4.

 

MGoStrength

May 3rd, 2021 at 2:55 PM ^

I fear a very similar article will be written on Michigan's football program next year.   This is very bad.

JH's talent has gone down during his tenure, but that decline has been really slow, like #7 to #11 until last year (#17) and that likely had something to do with opt outs.  IMO the larger problem is the combination or poor player retention & development (or possibly IDing the wrong talent for his system or changing systems all the time).  JH's staffs continue to recruit quite well.  What they haven't shown consistently is the ability to develop & retain those players and put them in the best positions to be successful with scheme and/or play calling.  Personally, I'm ready to give someone else a shot if he has two losing records in a row in '20 and '21.  We shouldn't be expected to drop back down to 5-7 levels.  Hoke got fired for that.  I think other HCs can keep the ball rolling with recruiting while doing more with development & retention (and scheme).

1VaBlue1

May 3rd, 2021 at 1:12 PM ^

Huh...  I'm the exact opposite.  I think the defense will be functional, if not above average.  While the offense will - again - disappoint.  I'm not saying that the defense will games, like it did from '16-'18, but I don't think it will actively lose them like last years edition did.  I see the offense being the same unit we've had the last 4 years - unable to consistently move the ball, though gaining lots of yards against weaker competition, if not in not-very-explosive ways; low scoring run-forcers against better teams; and unwilling to open up a fast, strike-filled game that moves the ball all over the field before anyone can react.

Basically, I have more confidence in an under-manned defense led by a new coach than I have in our skilled and talented offense led by the same offensive braintrust that has given us the last four years.

swalburn

May 3rd, 2021 at 1:28 PM ^

That is fair, but at least I can see all the skill on offense.  I like Cade, he reminds me of Kellen Moore with better physical tools.  I think the coaches love the offensive line depth and the RB's.  Receivers are a little bit of a question mark but they were pretty highly regarded.  If we aren't good on offense the coaches have a lot of questions they are going to have to answer.  On defense, the coaches could be perfect but the talent will hold them back.  The coaches may screw up the offense but it just feels like the pieces are there which is why I'm more hopeful.  Defense needs two years of recruiting before it can be fixed in my opinion.

TomJ

May 3rd, 2021 at 2:59 PM ^

Sadly, I agree. The two constants between last year and this year are the two problems with the offense: Harbaugh and Gattis. Moving all the other pieces around won't really fix the problem of Michigan football, that the offense is unimaginative and inept. As the draft just showed, it is NOT a problem with talent . . . it is a problem with development, scheme, and usage. 

Just watching Michigan attempt to run a "two minute drill" is all you need to know to understand the problem.

pdgoblue25

May 3rd, 2021 at 10:15 AM ^

Didn't you notice halfway through the defensive section I started reading the vomit bag

Didn't that give some sort of clue like, hey maybe this guy isn't enjoying it?

yossarians tree

May 3rd, 2021 at 1:12 PM ^

This defense is the victim of Don Brown's ideas being exposed by the searing white light of P5 college football competition. The personnel is based on a theory that nobody believes anymore.

The offense should be able to outscore 6-8 of our opponents, but that is assuming Josh Gattis knows what the fuck he's talking about which so far he has given no indication.

We might be relevant again when it's legal to pay players.

I'm really okay but I think I died last year and have not yet realized it.

username03

May 3rd, 2021 at 10:19 AM ^

"he would be disappointed if he didn’t get 70-75 targets this year."

I think someone misheard, I'm sure he said in his entire career not this year.

Blake Forum

May 3rd, 2021 at 10:28 AM ^

Very excited for Dax, also excited to see high-upside guys like Mazi and Ojabo get on the field in roles that should suit them. Um I’m sure the rest looks great too but I don’t have time to read it 

ak47

May 3rd, 2021 at 10:31 AM ^

Can we stop with the fucking belly aching woo is me on the transfers thing? I'm sure the Michigan's admissions office is annoying because they want as much money from people so they don't want to transfer credits. But people are transferring for other sports constantly. Leigha Brown, our second best womens basketball player transferred from academic powerhouse Nebraska and her story is not uncommon as a lot of the non-revenue sports have transfers on them.

Maybe the reason Michigan struggles to get these players at Michigan is because the football coaches are as shit at recruiting elite transfers as they are at recruiting these guys out of high school.

KC Wolve

May 3rd, 2021 at 10:47 AM ^

Yep, this is a huge problem for UM if true. Its the new CFB landscape like it or not. Kids are going to move around a lot more even on elite teams. If UM is only on the losing side of the equation, its really really bad. Recruiting will have to be close to perfect to compete with teams that can fill holes and add depth via the portal. 

WolverBean

May 3rd, 2021 at 2:51 PM ^

We do have the same trouble with Basketball when undergrad transfers are involved. Cost us a shot at Nojel Eastern last year: https://mgoblog.com/content/nojel-eastern-isn%27t-coming-michigan-after-all

And that's a transfer from Purdue! A good school with classes equivalent to Michigan's! I think in this case they ran into a cap on how many credits they'd accept, regardless of equivalency. But whatever the reason in Eastern's case, the larger point is that admissions policies do have effects beyond football.

Seth

May 3rd, 2021 at 6:54 PM ^

Matthews came in really early in his college career, so it wasn't as big of a deal to be starting over. Michigan has a better shot with freshmen but until this year they weren't available, and we're not usually going to be in a position where we want them. Occasionally there could be a 5-star who didn't cut it at Ohio State perhaps but Michigan mostly wants up-transfers and we haven't been able to play that market effectively because the schools we recruit against know our admissions policies better than we do.

ak47

May 4th, 2021 at 10:39 AM ^

How many up transfers are transferring after three years that haven't graduated early versus after 1 or 2 years? How many of those are meaningfully impacting the 2 deep and outlook of the program? You said 80% of guys they can't approach in the transfer market, I frankly don't believe that.

Avery Queen

May 4th, 2021 at 11:35 AM ^

I believe it.  If I'm a transfer contemplating where to go, why would I want to consider a school where many of my old credits won't transfer and I have to take additional credits to graduate when there's so many other options out there? Unless you're somebody like Shea Patterson who grew up a Michigan (who BTW, according to Sam Webb, lost 18 of his credits from Ole Miss when he transferred to UM), there's no reason to give Michigan a look.    

ERdocLSA2004

May 3rd, 2021 at 11:48 AM ^

Is this true?  Any concrete sources?  I’m not doubting that some credits don’t transfer, 80% is a lot.  There is also the question of how legitimate were the courses and the course loads that these athletes have been taking at other schools.  What is their attendance?  I think a dose of reality is needed here as we know how a lot of schools will let athletes completely coast thru.  There’s definitely a liability standpoint for the university if they are honoring credits that weren’t legitimately earned at other places.  Some of the courses that athletes take at other schools are so ridiculous we don’t even offer them.  Do we really think Justin Fields’ rigorous course load at OSU was legitimate and would’ve actually held up to anything but a cursory review?  No.