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Signgate The Eighth: Oh It's Like That Comment Count

Brian November 7th, 2023 at 3:56 PM

Every accusation is a confession. I probably don't need to inform anyone reading this blog that Larry Lage has an AP article out on Michigan opponents colluding to decipher their signs:

ANN ARBOR, Mich. (AP) — A former employee at a Big Ten football program said Monday it was his job to steal signs and he was given details from multiple conference schools before his team played Michigan to compile a spreadsheet of play-calling signals used by the Wolverines last year.

He spoke with The Associated Press on condition of anonymity, fearing the disclosures could impact his coaching career.

The employee said he shared with Michigan the documents, which showed the Wolverines’ signs and corresponding plays, after his school faced the Jim Harbaugh-led program in 2022.

The person also passed along screenshots of text-message exchanges with staffers from a handful of Big Ten football teams with Michigan, giving the program proof that other conference teams were colluding to steal signs from the Wolverines.

John Bacon tweeted that Rutgers and OSU gave Purdue Michigan's signs before the Big Ten title game, which is likely just the tip of the iceberg. Richard Johnson and Pat Forde had some additional details and confirmation in an article late last night:

A former Big Ten coach at a rival school in recent days forwarded to the Wolverines copies of two single-page documents listing Michigan’s deciphered signals, three sources with knowledge of the situation confirmed to SI. …

A source familiar with the contents of the documents verified their authenticity. The two Michigan signal breakdowns include sections devoted to deciphering the boards held up by staffers with images on them; lengthy lists describing hand signals for running plays; slightly shorter lists for passing plays; and separate lists describing signals for play-action passes. A Michigan source confirmed that the signals described corresponded to their 2022 play calls.

This article goes on to state that "schools sharing signal information is not uncommon in college football, multiple sources in the coaching profession told SI, nor is it against NCAA rules," but… I mean… isn't it?

Whichever programs end up getting named here are executing the exact same sin that Michigan is accused of: in-person scouting of future opponents. In Michigan's case it's randos with iPhones in the stands. In the other Big Ten schools' case, it's employees of Big Ten athletic departments handing over processed intelligence on Michigan's signals to future opponents of Michigan. Kind of sounds like the latter is worse, but drawing fine distinctions is beside the point. If a Stalions guy in the stands is illegal in-person scouting of an opponent, someone literally on the sideline of a Big Ten program forwarding information on to future Michigan opponents is the same thing. And if it's "not uncommon" it's hardly the greatest scandal in the history of the Big Ten.

Also arguing against the disproportionate response: all these teams had Michigan's signals. Even if Stalions had some advantage from his scheme, Michigan's opponents had the same. Michigan still beat these teams. Whatever competitive advantage Stalions provided was negligible. The appropriate thing to do is give Stalions a show cause, fine Michigan for the trouble, institute helmet radios as soon as possible, and move on with our lives.

[After THE JUMP: silly season]

I don't believe you. This is from a WSJ article and contradicts expectations virtually everywhere else:

A person close to the Big Ten has said the conference will defer to the NCAA, which is conducting its own investigation. Such probes often take months if not years.

FWIW.

I also don't believe you. Sometimes a journalist will look at the rules and write some stuff that is technically accurate but has no basis in reality, and, well:

The Big Ten Sportsmanship Policy spells out a wide range of potential penalties aside from a suspension of Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh, according to documents obtained by CBS Sports, as the sign-stealing scandal remains ongoing.

The penalties range from a reprimand to probation to a possible TV ban. Other potential penalties include withholding TV and bowl game revenue from the university. As part of those penalties laid out in Rule 19.5 of the sportsmanship policy, a "staff member" can be suspended.

The TV conference isn't going to suspend the TV team, and there's been no suggestion it would other than this article. Dodd is just listing out all the penalties in the document. It is a deeply funny thing to think about, though.

Why I don't believe the first I don't believe you. McMurphy:

So if Michigan has until Wednesday to respond it seems like Thursday is the earliest possible moment something could be handed down.

Containment shield intact. Per Dan Wetzel and Ross Dellenger, the NCAA has notified the Big Ten that there is nothing linking Harbaugh to Stalion's actions:

The NCAA’s findings do not connect the in-person scouting and recording of opponents’ sidelines to Harbaugh, sources say, an absence of evidence essential to a potential lawsuit from the school and coach against the league.

Over the weekend, the school was given a period of several days in which to mount a response to the conference before penalties, if any, are levied, sources with knowledge of the discussions say. A resolution around the issue is expected by the end of this week and as soon as Wednesday.

The rest of the article is mostly a rehash but we do get another confirmation that the lawsuits will flow if the Big Ten tries to suspend Harbaugh, and the authors note that the coach responsibility bylaw the NCAA recently passed is not a Big Ten policy:

Any suspension of Harbaugh is expected to be met with legal action from both the coach and school, multiple sources tell Yahoo Sports. School officials have held ongoing conversations around legal action tied to a significant fact in the case — that there is no documented evidence that Harbaugh was aware of Stalions’ NCAA rule-breaking.

While under NCAA bylaws head coaches are presumed responsible for a staff member’s actions, the Big Ten sportsmanship policy does not feature such a clause.

The policy holds “institutions,” not head coaches, as “responsible for, and therefore, may be held accountable for, the actions of its employees, coaches, student-athletes, band, spirit squads, mascot(s), general student body and any other individual or group of individuals over whom or which it maintains some level of authority.”

The Lage article should further clarify that there would be no reason to believe that Stalions was exceptionally adept at sign stealing because of his off-book activities. Multiple Big Ten teams were conspiring to get all of Michigan's signals over the course of the season. Even if Stalions did have a team totally downloaded, it wouldn't seem weird to a Michigan program that is facing teams that have totally downloaded them.

OSU: better at this than we are. Dellenger also has an article stating that the NCAA says there is no evidence of a connection between Ryan Day and the sign-stealing probe.

I don't think this changes much. OSU sources were the ones who had this a month before it broke and it is 95% likely that OSU, in some nebulous capacity, is the source of this. That could be someone getting wind of the Stalions Army and shoving it over to a booster, or it could go all the way up the chain but get executed with good opsec.

As the last post noted, if random guys on the internet know what the firm's name is it will come out sooner or later, and then the world will go over it with a fine-toothed comb.

Anybody want a vacuum? This WSJ article is about Connor Stalions being weird:

Apparently the vacuum thing didn't go so well. Stalions ended up with a seller rating of 2.8 on Amazon.

This article is useful in a few ways. One: seems like the bank of mom and dad theory is at least partially correct if Stalions is buying a half-million dollar house on a 55k salary. It also further confirms that Stalions was the kind of guy who would embark on a ridiculously time-consuming plot with little regard to rules or the eventual payoff of that plot. It seems like that was his whole life.

How are we almost ten years into Harbaugh's tenure at Michigan and there is apparently no vetting being done on these hires? There is no way a proper check of who this guy is would not have turned up buckets of red flags.

Comments

Logan88

November 7th, 2023 at 5:44 PM ^

You know how Michigan fans would, in the past, say they had grudging respect for OSU?

Have people really been saying/thinking this?

OSU has been cheating their asses off SEC-style for a minimum of 25 years. How many players have been actually caught taking money/cars/tats at OSU? Troy Smith, Maurice Clarett, Devier Posey, Terrel Pryor are all guys I can think of immediately off the top of my head and those are only the guys who got caught. OSU's roster of elite Top 100 talent has been bought and paid for against NCAA rules (which the NCAA has mostly ignored) giving them a massive competitive advantage which fueled their rise to dominance in the conference.

Brian8603

November 7th, 2023 at 5:01 PM ^

How are we almost ten years into Harbaugh's tenure at Michigan and there is apparently no vetting being done on these hires? There is no way a proper check of who this guy is would not have turned up buckets of red flags.

 

Didn't Dave Brandon do a number on the athletic department's HR team? I recall reading somewhere that Michgan's HR staff used to be quite small until it started to bloat under Brandon and then eventually some senior staff left or were forced out. Very possible that expertise has never been rebuilt or replaced. 

Pepper Brooks

November 7th, 2023 at 5:08 PM ^

One could argue providing raw video from an offsite, in-person game attendance is not scouting, but providing a written report as to an opponent's plays and signaling actually is scouting.

KSmooth

November 7th, 2023 at 5:12 PM ^

Quick question -- when did Connor Stalions join the U of M staff?  Was it 2021 or sooner?

Reason I ask is because the signals "cheat sheets" for Michigan include signals decoded in 2020.  Depending on when Stalions joined, that would suggest the collusion might have started before anyone started buying tickets and recording sideline action.

Or maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree here.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

November 7th, 2023 at 5:16 PM ^

College football these days:

Program steals signs using own personnel:

THat'S UnEThIcaL!!1!

Programs conspire against another program to steal signs:

/leslienielsennothingtoseehere.gif

Seriously WTF.

BlueChitown

November 7th, 2023 at 5:22 PM ^

So much for "unfair competitive advantage."

To be clear, it seems possible on a technicality that CS broke a rule and OSU/Rutgers didn't.

But this should put to bed all the handwringing about Michigan having an unfair advantage. Hey, you had our signs and we had yours. What's the big deal? Only difference is that you had yours gift wrapped and delivered on your doorstep while we had to do the analysis ourselves.

Also, WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN! STUDENT ATHLETE SAFETY! OUR PLAYERS ARE IN DANGER!

gweb

November 7th, 2023 at 5:27 PM ^

What happens if Big Ten slow plays this until late afternoon Friday and then suspends him late enough Michigan can’t get lawyers involved before Monday?  Can they get last minute emergency hearing or whatever it’s called?

Further, if they suspend him, Can M and Harbaugh say “whatever” and show up to game anyway if they can’t do it legally in time?

slainte72

November 7th, 2023 at 7:05 PM ^

MGoLawyer here and, yes, I've been wondering if the Big Ten has been delaying the decision for exactly that reason.  Initially, the Big Ten was supposedly going to take action on Monday.  Then it changed to Wednesday, purportedly to give Michigan the chance to respond.  This feels like potential sandbagging on the Big Ten's part so that Harbaugh would be suspended without adequate time for Michigan to seek and obtain a temporary restraining order prior to Saturday's game.

That said, I'm confident (without any insider information whatsoever!) that Michigan's lawyers have considered all this and have some sort of a plan to seek legal relief (i.e., a TRO against Harbaugh's suspension) prior to the Penn State game.  It may be as simple as an email or letter from Santa to Petitti asking for his confirmation that he will not be issuing any suspension prior to Saturday's game.  A negative response or non-response from Petitti would arguably  be sufficient to demonstrate imminent, irreparable harm allowing Michigan to seek a TRO even before the Big Ten actually announces what action it will take.  But that's simply my own (uninformed) speculation.

My Michigan fandom aside, this is a fascinating legal situation.  Go Blue!

mgoblue78

November 7th, 2023 at 9:20 PM ^

Another MGO lawyer here. Timing is irrelevant. You can e-file anything with the Federal courts 24/7/365, even Federal Holidays. And I guarantee that UM's legal team can track down a Federal judge on Friday or Saturday any time of day or night to get a TRO issued if it came to that. Jim will be on the sidelines Saturday coaching if he and Michigan wants him to be. Guaranteed.

EGD

November 7th, 2023 at 9:57 PM ^

I was once a legal aid lawyer in Detroit. Every Christmas Eve you could find me going courtroom-tô-courtroom at the Wayne County Circuit Court trying to find a judge to hear my TRO petition on behalf of some tenant whose landlord waited until Christmas to change the locks or shut off the electricity. Sometimes I’d have to knock on five or six chambers’ doors, but I always found my judge.

Luckily I never had to try it actual Christmas Day.

But yeah, federal court is easier because everything can be done electronically.

uminks

November 8th, 2023 at 1:56 AM ^

Though Frames will have the PA State Police escort Harbaugh out of the stadium if the B1G decision occurs Friday night. Will the team follow Harbaugh out of the stadium or will they slaughter PSU on the field? Harbaugh needs to enter the stadium with the team no matter what and then lets see what happens. But I know if the B1G suspends Harbaugh, they will prevent thim from entering the stadium.

goblue2121

November 7th, 2023 at 5:41 PM ^

The players on this team deserve much more than this. Greed, dishonest media, bitterness and jealousy have turned this into an absolute clown show. They will have no choice but to acknowledge how talented and well coached this team is after they embarrass Penn St in Happy Valley.  Stay focused and off social media fellas. 

TickerTape

November 7th, 2023 at 5:48 PM ^

I don't understand this. This has been a known problem amongst all coaches, but we are going to continue to use signs every year instead of simply using a play wristband....

lhglrkwg

November 7th, 2023 at 5:52 PM ^

Im going to be flabbergasted if Pettiti still tries to suspend Harbaugh after this week. Like, is he an idiot? This isnt some 9D chess move. He would be an idiot to try this and continue to see the league continue the mudslinging between teams

Can we get a real leader to run this league please?

KSmooth

November 7th, 2023 at 5:55 PM ^

Re: Connor Stalions and the vacuum cleaners -

I dunno, maybe he was running a side business helping fugitives from the law go underground and start new lives?

Or maybe I've been watching too may Breaking Bad reruns...

gruden

November 7th, 2023 at 5:57 PM ^

I'm curious what red flags should have shown up.  He didn't have a criminal record.  He was in the military, as I understand, and didn't have a dishonorable discharge.  Would they have looked up his rating on Amazon?  Not likely.  No indications he had a substance abuse problem.

What I think is learned from this is just to have annual rule reviews with your staff: this is legal, this isn't, etc.  This establishes an environment of compliance, which avoids any LOIC accusations, and clarifies the program stance on any questionable areas.

Steweiler

November 7th, 2023 at 6:03 PM ^

EDIT:  Go Blue.

link:  (LINK DELETED AFTER REALIZING I POSTED THIS AND SOMEONE ALREADY DID AND IT GOT DELETED)  I thought I saw everything in my lurkings here, but missed this somehow.  My bad.  

EGD

November 7th, 2023 at 6:13 PM ^

Why is it a bad look for Corum to be in business with Stallions? Stallions might be a quirky guy and may have violated some technical rule about football scouting, but you’re implying that he’s some kind of disreputable criminal. Though hopefully it’s not a vacuum repair business.

edit: posted this before I saw that Blake Corum denied being in business with Stallions. If CS used Corum’s name on corporate paperwork without authorization then maybe he is a crook after all!

Yeoman

November 7th, 2023 at 6:53 PM ^

OK, doxing isn't the right word. Of course that stuff's out there already for anyone that wants to find it. But I don't know why it needs to be here.

Mostly I'm a little worried about Stalions--I'm not going to go into any details about why but I have a good idea, first hand, of what he's going through now. "Nobody from Michigan should ever have anything to do with the guy because it will look bad" is probably exactly what he doesn't need.

Goblue89

November 7th, 2023 at 6:08 PM ^

Regarding the Day/PI piece.  Isaiah and others have mentioned the "no know connection" is false.  Source at Michigan knows who it is and there is in fact a connection.  The "known" wording doing a lot of work.  

BlueToTheCore

November 7th, 2023 at 6:19 PM ^

I wish I could be as calm and confident as Brian is about this whole thing.

The howling chorus and every major media outlet is blanketed with stories positing that something that apparently every school was doing is 1000x worse than even Penn State enabling rape by serially protecting Sandusky

mooseman

November 7th, 2023 at 9:09 PM ^

I'm not sure about a trend to allow military service to be criticized. To have served honorably should be considered a positive attribute but also not some sort of a shield against the possibility of wrong doing.

I served with a lot a great individuals. A few absolute dirtbags as well.

Edit. I agree though. Judge his actions on their own merits. 

MgofanNC

November 7th, 2023 at 7:41 PM ^

Seems like to me if the big deal here were Sign Stealing there would be more fact finding and thread pulling with other institutions sharing stolen signs. Since that doesn't seem to be, at least so far, to be the case, it instead seems like the big deal here is Michigan winning and opposing coaches feelings about that. 

Not great Bob. 

MBloGlue

November 7th, 2023 at 7:42 PM ^

[I thought I would add this here instead of creating a separate legal analysis thread. Please move elsewhere if more appropriate.]

 

Potential Violations of Countable Coach Limits

I want to propose the the following argument for discussion:

The institutions that received Michigan's signs may have violated NCAA limits on the number of football coaches an institution can have. As outlined below, the opposing coaches who provided the signs and play calls to Michigan's future opponent may have unwittingly qualified themselves as a "Countable Coaches" under Rule 11.02.2. They would then count against the receiving institution's maximum number of coaches under Rule 11.7.3.* 

Rule 11.02.2 defines a "Countable Coach" as "an institutional staff member or any other individual outside the institution (e.g., consultant, professional instructor) with whom the institution has made arrangements who engages in off- campus recruiting activities or provides technical or tactical instruction related to a sport to a student-athlete at any time. (Revised: 1/8/14 effective 8/1/14, 1/18/23 effective 7/1/23)"

A few notable aspects of Rule 11.02.2 are worth highlighting here:

First, it includes within its scope "any other individual outside the institution". Therefore, Countable Coaches can potentially include coaches from other teams "with whom the institution has made arrangements." A one-off call or unsolicited text may not be enough. No doubt coaches talk informally all the time. But a coordinated effort among several outside coaches and the host institution documented by the exchange of text messages, as the news articles indicate happened here, would meet the common sense definition of "[making] arrangements".

Second, the sharing of information that cross-references Michigan's signs against its play calls would undoubtedly fall within the definition of "technical or tactical instruction related to a sport." This type of cross-referencing is highly technical and tactical in nature. It is way more involved that just being a human tripod hanging out in the bleachers and pressing the "record" button.

Third, Rule 11.02.2 does not specify whether the "technical or tactical instruction" must be provided in person directly to the student athletes. Rather the rule is silent on the issue. Therefore, I would argue that, if an opposing coach provides its compilation of Michigan's signs and playcalls to a future opponent's coaching staff, and then that coaching staff shares that information with their players, then that opposing coach becomes a "Countable Coach" against the host institution's coaching cap. It is not necessary that the opposing coaches instruct the players directly.

One might argue that a more sensible interpretation of Rule 11.02.2 is that an outside party only qualifies as a Countable Coach if they provide technical or tactical instruction in person directly to student athletes. I don't disagree. However, the same logic would apply to the interpretation of Rule 10.6.1's prohibition on the in-person advanced scouting of future opponents. In both instances, an institution's coaching staff is arranging for a third party to provide sign stealing information on their future opponents that it could not lawfully obtain directly.

The clutching of pearls should be equally tight in both instances, or not at all.

 

* I'm assuming here that the receiving institution already employs the maximum number of Countable Coaches allowed by Rule 11.7.3.