Sam says Oats would come

Searchbits III: It's Shaka Panic Day Comment Count

Brian May 16th, 2019 at 2:02 PM

Wilson Decommits

Jalen Wilson will not in fact wait for the new hire to start looking around:

In my opinion, this is Bad.

Roundtable Revelations

Let me transcribe a bit of the WTKA roundtable for you here. First from Sam on Billy Donovan:

"The talk in coaching circles is that … he was really a cheater in a huge, huge way early in his tenure. And then, as he got established he didn't do it any more. … There's like a before and after Anthony Grant."

Grant was at Florida for the first half of Donovan's 19-year tenure in Gainesville. His departure in 2006 was between Donovan's two national titles; after the second title team Donovan had his worst stretch after getting established at Florida with a three year run in which Florida went 8-8, 9-7, and 9-7 with just one first round exit to show for it. After that Donovan went on a four year run that went E8, E8, E8, FF and won the SEC title three times.

So if the coaching chatter is true Donovan had an extended run of elite teams in a post-Grant world. Coaching chatter is just that—when Roy Williams got Donovan investigated they didn't turn anything up. Potentially informative about Donovan's ability to operate within the strictures Michigan would put on any head coach.

[UPDATE: also potentially irrelevant since Sam says Donovan took a pass. At least they poked?]

Then Sam on Nate Oats:

"Nate would not interview. If you're going to go after Nate Oats, you have to give him the job. … If you offered Nate the job, would he come? Yeah. My opinion. … You call him you can get him. You can get Nate."

Later:

"Let me be clear for Nate's benefit: I have neither seen nor heard anything about Nate Oats being a candidate for this job."

And on Juwan Howard:

"[Lack of head coaching experience] is not a disqualifier for Juwan Howard … He's the exception. I'm not telling you that he's going to be the guy but he is definitely under consideration for this job. He is not looking at any other college options. He's gonna be a pro coach at some point."

He also asserted that it was unlikely to be an internal hire. Like everyone, he's on board with doing as much as possible to keep staff continuity.

[After THE JUMP: It turns out I don't hate the idea of Shaka!]

The most NBA Jam candidate

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[Bryan Fuller]

Shaka Smart has been brought up. You may remember him from such games as Shaka Smart Is Shown His Liver By John Beilein and such recruitments as Not Quite Getting Mo Bamba. Shaka has a giant, fully-guaranteed contract but Texas might be happy to let him walk after a disappointing four year tenure.

Texas has two bids in that time, a 6 and a 10, with two first-round exits. They did win the NIT this year, and Smart has some mitigating factors. 5-star PG Andrew Jones was set to be a star after a high-usage freshman year; he was diagnosed with leukemia shortly after and has played just 12 games since. Smart's also lost a ton of tight games over the past three years. Texas in Kenpom's "luck" stat: 348, 263, 332. Shaka's VCU tenure did not have a similar pattern. It's likely the luck is just that.

Like a lot of B12 teams, Smart's Kenpom rankings are better than his record (39, 70, 36, 25 at Texas FWIW), but guys like Steve Prohm aren't at Texas. Smart has leveraged his spot in Austin into elite recruiting classes. In four years he's gotten three five-stars and nine more guys in the 40-70 range. Jaxson Hayes, one of the only sleeper-ish recruits Smart has gotten, is projected as a lottery pick in the upcoming draft. Texas is recruiting better than anyone other than the one-and-done blueblood factories. And they were in the NIT this year.

His VCU tenure was legitimately excellent, outstanding even outside of the Final Four run. Smart never had a team ranked worse than 56th on Kenpom and went 18, 25, 30 in his final three years. Five straight bids with a couple 5 seeds and a 7 from an A10 program is superb. But:

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Havoc did not come with Smart to Texas. This is like watching a John Beilein team suddenly degrade to average in TO rate once he gets a major job. What's the point of Shaka without Havoc? So far there isn't much of one.

Shaka is in a spot where you can only get him if you don't really want him. Maybe you could squint and put Shaka's recruiting with Yaklich's defense and that would work out, but that's apparently contingent on out-bidding the Cavs. Here's a 180: I hate the idea of Shaka way less than most of the fanbase. An assassin on the recruiting trail has a relatively high floor, and Michigan would be buying low on a guy who's been snakebit the last few years.

Etc.

Porter Moser's name has receded and he just hired an assistant so chances are that early blip was just folks looking around for the guy who fits the "Michigan Man" stereotype most thoroughly. At least you are learning this with a link and not a tweet that starts with "Sources: Porter Moser" pasted into your slack chat:

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Thoughts and prayers for me in this trying time.

Chris Beard: still nope.

"He's a great coach. He has history at Texas Tech and he proved he can win there immediately,” ESPN college basketball analyst and former Michigan player Tim McCormick said. “He's a hero and he makes a ton of money, so I think it's really going to be a challenge for Michigan to get him.

“If he was interested, I would think that that process would've already started, and it doesn't appear that that's the direction it's going."

This puts the talk about his daughters down in print:

As McCormick pointed out, whether Beard would even be interested in Michigan is another matter, especially considering his daughters live a few hours from Lubbock.

Guy is getting paid a brazillion dollars and has a very compelling reason not to go far away.

EMOTIONAL DEVASTATION LEVEL

8.3, why Wilson gotta go like that cool it for like a week

Comments

Michigan Arrogance

May 16th, 2019 at 2:31 PM ^

I'd be OK with that. Anthony Wright on his podcast has Smart in his top 3 realistic options. Smart:

1) had a legit great run at VCU, not based on easily out recruiting the conference (like Few has at Gonzaga - that dude can roll the ball out and win 30 of 33 without gameplanning)

2) Got to a football school and is flat killing it in recruiting. like just below Duke/KU/UNC level with MSU.

3) The flipside of 2 of course is what has he done with that talent? Not a whole hell of a lot. I didn't know about his PG situation, but Ant Wright seems to think that if Smart takes his best recruiter and keeps one of Yak/Washington and gets an experience AC he can exceed what he's done in Austin in A2.

Havoc is/was a gimmick D IMO and his development ability & Xs & Os may be in question compared to Beilein (whose isn't?) but I'm not gonna walk into A2 Torch & Pitchfork if he's the guy.

We can't go looking for Beilein 2.0 (neither in cleanliness nor in development/Xs&Os). That guy is the lim as x-->0 of |x|/x. He just DNE.

IMO, we get a guy with proven HC success and/or a straight fire recruiter. Donovan, Smart, Witchitah guy maybe, the Celtics guy maybe. Juwan Howard IDK man. I think M should get a guy who wants to coach college since, you know, it's a college program.

MaizeBlueA2

May 16th, 2019 at 2:36 PM ^

Could part of Shaka not having success at Texas be the whole Charlie Strong thing?

He's just not a Texas guy whatsoever...from what I understand he and his family are MUCH better fits in Ann Arbor, Chapel Hill, or Berkeley. Now Austin is the most similar city in Texas to those three cities...but Texas is still Texas.

Again, I'm making shit up to prepare myself...and this is my last post. But when I squint, it sort of feels like it could work in the right situation. Shaka honestly feels like a guy that IF he came here and had success...he'd never leave. It would be like Mark Few at Gonzaga - people would bring his name up, but he'd never go.

HUGE "IF."

Michigan Arrogance

May 16th, 2019 at 2:47 PM ^

I'd be curious to see of Smart is above the Yak line for people (like Brian) who initially wrote him off without looking at the details at Texas.

Prohm form ISU would be OK assuming his recruiting would uptick significantly. Smart would be OK assuming his delevopment/XsOs would uptick. Either guy would likely require a great staff to help them be successful.

I'd be curious to see what Anthony Wright thinks about Smarts relative lasck of success. On his pod he said the current ACs at Tex were trash outside of maybe their main recruiter.

rc15

May 16th, 2019 at 3:00 PM ^

IMO, Smart gives you a higher ceiling/lower floor. Could bring us to a Final Four, could bring us to a lot of NITs.

With Yaklich I'd expect to float between 4-8th in the conference, usually end up on the right side of the bubble, but definitely be watching it every year and expecting a 1st weekend exit.

TheKoolAidGuy

May 16th, 2019 at 2:19 PM ^

Hello Darkness My Old Friend

I've come to cry with you again

Visions of Billy softly creeping

Left its seeds while I was sleeping

And the vision that was planted in my brain

Still remains

And now it sounds...like Shaka.

 

*sobbing intensifies*

yossarians tree

May 16th, 2019 at 3:20 PM ^

Seriously what I'm dealing with is that whoever it is I'm never going to stop missing John Beilein and the way he coached the team. He was a one-off and I'm spoiled rotten and I don't think I'll ever be able to get up for the basketball team again. 

DCGrad

May 16th, 2019 at 2:24 PM ^

Board opinion: Would you rather hire Shaka this year, go with Saddi as the interim for a year, or hire a full-time head coach from within?

MaizeBlueA2

May 16th, 2019 at 2:29 PM ^

Shaka...I don't think you can do the interim thing for a full year anymore, recruiting is too important and you're going to lose your current class and you're a lame duck for the next two classes.

And most of the truly good recruiters are cheaters...so in order to make up for the damage of two lame duck classes, you'd probably have to hire a cheater, someone who could make up for lost time.

I love winning, but I just can't subscribe to cheating to win. It goes against everything Michigan stands for. If I was okay with shady shit I'd root for UK in basketball and Ole Miss in football. Fuck both of those teams.

Shaka seems honorable, he doesn't wear a jacket like Beilein, his wife is a Northwestern grad and he's from Wisconsin...and now I'm just rambling hoping I'll say something to make me actually believe what I'm writing...

To be serious, I would be okay with Shaka if we pull a Jason Kidd and keep Yaklich as Assoc. Head Coach.

rc15

May 16th, 2019 at 3:09 PM ^

Because of roster, I don't think interim is an option. We lose Teske and Simpson after next year, Freshman class this year was underwhelming besides Iggy.

You'd be trying to sell a HC on coming to a program whose best player is Livers (great player, not a #1 guy)

L'Carpetron Do…

May 17th, 2019 at 10:29 AM ^

Shaka never please. I just don't think he's a good coach. I've watched a decent amount of Texas games the last few years and his teams are awful - they look unorganized and don't seem to run an offense. They don't look well-coached. It was remarkable how Beilein outcoached him every time they played. I would like a coach on a higher level. Also - I don't get it - he's not doing particularly well at Texas - why is he mentioned in connection with the Michigan job? Let's get someone successful, please.

Donovan or Juwan. No Shaka.

 

not TOM BRADY

May 16th, 2019 at 2:27 PM ^

Just hire Howard or Shaka and let them recruit. Will not find a tactical coach as good as Beilien at this stage. Get an elite recruiter in here. Howard would be an elite recruiter. 

L'Carpetron Do…

May 17th, 2019 at 10:36 AM ^

Chris Mullin wasn't at St. John's either. But, I still feel like Juwan has more cache than Ewing and Mullin though and the Fab 5's legacy has more longevity and widespread appeal. Plus, the Fab 5 is slightly more recent and Juwan had a long NBA career so some recruits might remember watching him when they were kids. And I think parents might be thrilled at the fact that their kid is being recruited by a guy like Juwan.

I honestly think that Juwan's strength won't be in recruiting but in his knowledge of the game. He was a smart player and he's learned a lot about tactics and strategy during his apprenticeship in the NBA. 

HarBooYa

May 16th, 2019 at 2:36 PM ^

Shaka's assistant is Denny Kuiper.  Mentored Tom Crean.  Was Michigan HS Coach of the Year back in the late 80s and was great friend's with Cooley's Ben Kelso.  I know because I played for him and Crean in HS.  We used to scrimmage Michael Talley's Cooley teams (hoo boy, they were so good).  Best coach I have ever been around.  

I am nervous that Shaka didn't translate to Texas well, but he has great Michigan connections, coaches on his staff that are great and I did love his under-talented, but gutty, VCU teams.  If he could keep the continuity with Yak and Saudi too, I'd take the buy low thing as I think he is good enough with that staff and could help us with the recruiting hump we could never get over.  

Prefer Donovan but that feels like a pipe dream at this juncture.

Raider2402

May 16th, 2019 at 2:43 PM ^

Smart is not a good candidate. He may attract some talent but he does the least with it... He is not at a small school anymore and has done basically nothing at texas with recruits.. looks like development problems as well as he was flash in the pan havoc gimmick guy at VCU and is not shaping up to more than that on the bigger stage. Hard pass on him. Howard has no experience and no recruiting background would be a better NBA fit than here. the search is not looking good we might have a few years with whoever then have to rebuild after that.