Exit Before He Arrived: Caleb Love
Why does this keep happening, says the only school where this regularly happens:
NEWS: Former North Carolina guard Caleb Love has decommitted from Michigan, a source tells @On3sports.
— Joe Tipton (@TiptonEdits) May 17, 2023
One of the top guard transfers is now back on the board.
Story: https://t.co/98l5jeMloO pic.twitter.com/0avNvoi99z
It is possible there is some explanation other than the one that keeps doing this to Michigan's transfers. I really hope so, but I'm not going to bet on it.
A year after Michigan's policies sank the transfer Terrance Shannon, the school with the only admissions department that acts this way appears to have done it again. The #16 overall recruit of 2020, Caleb Love must have thought his North Carolina credits would transfer to Michigan, a fellow AAU member, when he committed here on April 7. He also must have believed Michigan couldn't possibly be obtuse enough to let this happen again when Love shot down (with a now deleted tweet) rumors that his plans had hit a snag.
If there was a belief that Santa Ono could fix this, that's now dead as well, if he ever could do something about it.
The loss of Love is another severe blow to a program that missed the Tournament last year for want of a high-usage defensive wing like Shannon, and was already looking shaky this year thanks to Hunter Dickinson signing a top-market free agent deal with Kansas.
Michigan's Byzantine transfer policies have been a long-term issue for the school's athletic programs. Going back at least 30 years, transferring undergraduate credits have been under a severe chill effect, with the burden placed on the student to convert their previous coursework to Michigan equivalents, plus a high minimum of credits that must be taken in Ann Arbor.
One or two semesters usually aren't an issue—see football transfers Ernest Hausmann and Josiah Stewart--but mid-career athletes tend to have a particularly hard time. Their problem here isn't "Admissions" per se but the individual schools, e.g. LSA, which make the students submit their transcripts, wait a few weeks, then find out they're a year or more away from graduating than they should be. There's an appeals process, which might explain why rumors of Love's transfer being up in the air were quickly shot down by Love, with today's news triggered by a denial of appeal. Other schools may have similar processes, but Michigan's schools are particularly obtuse and opaque about it, with credits exchanged at rates well below reasonable, and little to no interest in expediting the process for recruited candidates.
Grad students are also not a problem (e.g. Olu), but completing a hurried degree after entering the portal is its own challenge, as a player's old school isn't particularly motivated to help the process. That was the Shannon situation, and also might have been what tripped up Love, who entered UNC in Fall of 2020 and presumably, like most athletes, took summer courses along the way. Most schools have a good enough working relationship with their athletic programs that they can work with transferring athletes, or at least work quickly enough to set expectations before the program recruits a guy.
With the transfer portal now a major part of major college athletics, Michigan's transfer office needs to call Illinois and ask how they managed to make Terrance Shannon work, and find out exactly what it cost them in academic integrity. Who knows, maybe it's worth missing the dance.
There is swearing in the comments after the jump.
In the last 24 hrs...basketball gawds hasn't been nice to state of Michigan.
Why does this keep happening?
There is swearing in the comments after the jump.
For some reason my mind immediately went to the being of this wonderful song when they say "Just don't curse"
This sucks because of how preventable it could have been. Love himself is an average offensive player with limits defensively; he'll take a tough shot late but he'll also take a bad shot early. But UM needed bodies and at some point Love is better than nothing and, even worse, him transferring to UM meant UM didn't chase other options who could have been admitted.
Anyway, I'm sort of done with UM's admissions department. Um is a great school but it's unique in that respect and it needs to stop screwing both athletes and regular students with this mindset
I agree this is horrible from a pure talent perspective as we just don't have much of it.
However, I think it could be better for the actual basketball play to not feature a chucker that's trying to play his way into an NBA that currently has little to no interest.
My hope is that this will be Juwan's Beilein year, but... yeah. Not a strong hope.
Excellent point to include regular students with athletes. My son spent two years at Grand Rapids Community College and then transferred to Ann Arbor. Keep in mind that GRCC was set up by U of M as a feeder school, and that credits are supposed to transfer seamlessly. Anyhow, one of my son’s classes didn’t transfer because he was in an honors section - a regular section would have transferred. Obviously a simple oversight easy corrected. Wrong! He had to retake the class, which was a prerequisite to a bunch of others classes which he then couldn’t take, resulting in an extra semester to graduate. The indifference and lack of common sense exhibited by U of M’s School of Engineering was truly stunning.
This. One of my good friend's friend went to Michigan, wife went to Michigan, wife, and both sets of grandparents went to Michigan, child went to the best private school in their large OOS city, has a 4.5 GPA and 1540 SAT with tons of extracurriculars, waitlisted at Michigan. Attending Northwestern in the fall. (So don't tell me there is something wrong with their application and qualifications.)
We stopped being a university serving the public a while ago. Especially when the cost is $75K OOS per year, so we've become a private school. When did this (and other schools) start adopting the British model of excluding even smart kids?
The university has lost its way.
Do we have any evidence that this is about transfer credits other than the deleted tweet?
Also, sure UNC is in the AAU but also notorious for having bullshit courses for athletes following their scandals in the late 2010s, so maybe they aren’t the best candidate for complaining about the university not accepting credits. The other sports programs at Michigan have managed to do quite well under the very same admissions and transfer standards, but this has become the go to excuse for why Howard missed the tourney and looks set to field a train wreck next season.
Because this happened the same last year with a similar situation in Shannon? Do you think Shannon was admitted last year and then Howard banished him to Illinois?
Also, as I've been told numerous times, UM still doesn't get a ton of these guys. The football transfers last year were almost all grad transfers or freshmen, where the loss of credits is less of an issue and the general credits they do have transfer easier. Most recently LaDarius Henderson couldn't take part in spring ball because he wasn't yet a graduate of ASU and was finishing up classes, which sure seems like evidence pointing to that still being a sticking point. I'm not sure about Josiah Stewart but I think he lost a fair number of credits but was also a sophomore so again maybe it didn't bite him that bad.
This just sucks and while Howard should have been aware this could happen I also like to think he asked people he needed to and was given a sense of wouldn't be a problem again.
So just to be clear, we’re trashing a whole arm of the university on the basis of a deleted tweet and because a different player from a different school last year didn’t get admitted. Clearly the people in those positions are fucking idiots because they allegedly possibly didn’t admit the low efficiency scorer Howard desperately needed to maybe make the tournament.
LaDarius is an interesting example, because from the looks of it he’s just gonna be out from spring ball but still going to be able to play in the season, despite not transferring from an Ivy (no disrespect to the Sun Devils) or someplace like that. So it looks like football has managed to make this work.
Reading the basketball commentary is often surreal, because one finds claims that Michigan as an institution is falling behind in the era of transfer and NIL. This just isn’t true. Football is as successful as they’ve been since 97; hockey just had back to back Frozen Fours and is reloaded again; the non-revenue sports are doing well (maybe not baseball so much). There is only one program at Michigan that cannot seem to navigate these waters, and I’m not sure the whole university needs to change its policies because basketball can’t seem to figure it out. I don’t think Howard’s a bad coach, but I do think he’s better suited for the NBA because he (and he alone at Michigan) seems like he can’t manage a team in this environment.
Again, I don't know what to tell you. Illinois is a good school with similar academic standards and had no issue with Shannon transferring in with his credits. UNC is a fine school with solid academics and now this guy also can't transfer in - it's unlikely he suddenly had a change of heart about UM and Howard. If you've got evidence to support that claim please share. At this point believing it's anything other than an admissions program that made it hard for students to transfer credits in for decades is still at it seems like a real reach.
Also, "football has managed to make this work" by...drum roll please...waiting for Henderson to graduate from ASU and come in as a grad transfer. So just like Seth and others have said - UM is fine if you are a graduate student but not an undergrad transferring in. The only undergrad I know who transferred in was Haussmann, who as a freshman likely had fewer classes in a particular major and thus likely had an easier time getting general credit for some and just continuing his education at UM a bit behind other students. But again, most of the guys UM took were grad transfers or from Stanford.
Also, Michigan has had success with guys transferring in - they got 2 other transfers this year and both are grad transfers (or at least Burnett thinks he is). They've had success with grad transfers but clearly there are issues beyond that. As for NIL I don't really buy that with Dickinson - he may claim to be getting a top-market deal from Kansas but as we've seen numerous times now guys talk up how much money they're getting and then when the actual numbers come out they tend to be lower. But beyond that you don't hear about UM basketball losing transfers due to money.
You don't really like Howard as a coach; we've had these debates before. That's fine - he has issues and deserves to be taken to task for them. But I'm fairly certain that he wouldn't have sought out Love if he thought there was a good chance he'd not be admitted, especially after what happened with Shannon - unless, again, you believe these incredibly similar outcomes were discrete events based on both Shannon and Love being idiots and UNC and Texas Tech being dogshit schools. So my assumption is that Howard talked to people who said, to some degree or another, that this was all good and that Love would be admitted. I doubt Howard will believe the same promise ever again, unless you believe he's an idiot and the sole reason UM can't "navigate these waters" like basically every other school in the country.
I just said I think Howard is a good coach.
I don’t know what to tell you if don’t think this blog is inordinately obsessed with blaming the university’s admissions department for everything that goes wrong with the basketball program. I get that Seth got screwed out of some French credits in the 1990s, but this is area where “reporters” have near zero information because of FERPA and the people at the parts of the university that the blog loves to to take a shit on will never get to show you what these applications look like. I don’t know why I should assume the UNC athlete transcript looked just like one from the Sorbonne. Reporters will get self serving bullshit feedback from people on the coaching staffs, who will forever and always think that admissions is asking too much.
You can make up hyperbole about me saying UNC or Texas Tech are dogshit, because that’s just the fucking norm for you, but you have no idea what either of these applications looked like. And I’ll bet you’ve never worked for an admissions office, because clearly you fucking haven’t. I used too, and some of these applications are comically bad. And we no idea what they looked like. All we know is that U of I took Shannon. Oh, and that they have the same standards as Michigan, because you said so I guess. Michigan and Illinois aren’t in the same stratosphere in terms of academic standards for admissions, for what it’s worth. I have no clue what Illinois transfer standards are, and neither do you. But since they let in a good basketball player, they clearly must be the right ones.
No, you said you don't think Howard is a bad coach then said he's better suited for the NBA because he "(and he alone at Michigan) seems like he can't manage a team in this environment". Feel free to quibble but you spent a lot of time arguing (mind you with limited evidence) that Howard can't handle NIL and the transfer era, and then sort whistled past evidence that he was able to bring in other transfers and that other teams here didn't try to bring in non-graduates. Feel free to hang your hat on that mountain of caveats if you want but the core of what you said is "he's not a good college coach because he can't handle the environmental factors at play now."
Also, I mean, this was you
LaDarius is an interesting example, because from the looks of it he’s just gonna be out from spring ball but still going to be able to play in the season, despite not transferring from an Ivy (no disrespect to the Sun Devils) or someplace like that. So it looks like football has managed to make this work.
He is, in fact, not transferring from ASU; he's graduating from ASU and then coming to UM as a grad transfer, something most other players who've come to Michigan (including on the basketball team) have done. He in fact couldn't play in the spring game because he hadn't graduated from ASU, which seems to be a real sticking point with admissions. Maybe Love said he was going to graduate and then didn't from UNC, and neither UM nor UNC were going to accomodate him. I don't know. You don't either. But I'm fairly certain we're going to hear that this looks a lot like what happened with Shannon last year.
Whatever that second paragraph is ranting about is beyond me but the gist (as far as I can deduce) is that you believe that UM's admissions is blameless here, and that people who graduated from UM who ran into similar issues with credits (including myself oh so many years ago) are just making things up. That's your choice to believe that but at some point it's not a bunch of discreet data points on a board but in fact a pattern. It may be that you think when people say "admissions didn't let him in" it's because of his grades; it's pretty clear the bigger issue is that UM won't allow a lot of credits to transfer from other institutions, leading to guys having to potentially retake a lot of classes or take remedial ones to "match up" with UM's ones, something I saw in person when I was an undergrad years ago as well. It's a thing and if you don't believe that so be it but that doesn't make it not true.
Perhaps I was somewhat hyperbolic about your feelings toward Texas Tech and UNC; you do seem exceedingly defensive about the idea that players from those institutions might has transcripts that don't match your expectations of Michigan applicants. As for Illinois not being in the same stratosphere in terms of academic standards from admissions, here's a link to UI's incoming class profile.
The 25%/75% student had an unweighted GPA between 3.58-3.95, with an ACT between 29-34 and SAT between 1330-1510. Michigan's is here, with a GPA between 3.9-4.0 (I can't tell if it was weighted or not), an SAT range between 1350-1530, and an ACT between 31-34. That's...pretty close in my book. And while I am loathe to put too much credence into USNWR rankings, UM is ranked #3 while UNC is #6 and UI is #13. So yeah, I'm comfortable saying they are similar academically; it's weird someone who worked in admissions would presume otherwise but hey, I'm sure you've seen some real shitty applications and Googling can be hard work.
Again, attack me for being hyperbolic if you want but at least back up your claims with even the bare modicum of effort. You've been proven wrong factually a couple of times thus far in this thread so I'm tapping out.
"it's pretty clear the bigger issue is that UM won't allow a lot of credits to transfer from other institutions,"
Most good academic institutions require you get at least 50% of your credits there if you want a degree. Michigan is not an outlier.
*somebody already beat me to pointing out that Shannon was a supposed to be grad transfer that didn't finish their degree*
I never said you or Seth were making up anything about your personal experiences with the transfer credits. But transfer and admissions (they might be separate at Michigan, fwiw) deal with thousands of cases every year. Many universities are very hesitant to grant transfer credit because, amongst other reasons, they don’t want students paying for a bunch of course work else and then paying for a few semesters and getting a more prestigious degree. Not all universities are like that— I’ve worked for places that were tremendously lenient with transfers. Those aren’t necessarily bad schools (I certainly don’t they are “dogshit”), but they are different in approach and in some aspects of academic culture (more on the student side than on resource). And for what it’s worth, I don’t know enough about U of I transfer department to make big some proclamation about them either— Shannon is just one data point here as well.
Departments also must meet enrollment targets and allowing students to take classes for their major at other places means lower enrollment. Finally, at least some people in various units might actually, perhaps naively in this day age, believe that certain specific requirements should be met to get a degree in their field and they might genuinely believe that whatever the courses were taken elsewhere don’t meet those requirements. These are all legitimate reasons for looking closely at and even rejecting some transfer credit. Sure, maybe Love had dead nuts equivalent transfer classes and admissions fucked him. But unless Caleb Lover releases his whole application for transfer, we’re never gonna know. But since Jimmy and Joe said their transfer credits got denied in 2001, I guess we’ll assume it’s systemic?
It’s pretty clear they screwed over Seth, and I’m happy to grant they screwed you too, however many years ago it was. I’m sure they made bad decisions in other cases too. However, you will literally never hear anything in support of admissions/transfers when they deny credit or admissions for the very simple reason that the only people legally allowed to talk about those decisions are the students, and the students always believe their credits should transfer/ or that they should be admitted. This is a circumstance where basically all anecdotal evidence will necessarily point in the same direction because the other side is legally forbidden from talking. And the only “insider info” will be from people who are entirely invested in the athletic side of this. There isn’t like a Michigan admissions insider podcast. So yes, am I not all that moved that the current admissions department is systematically broken because of all you’ve suffered at their hands.
But forget all that. Let’s get to your insufferably smug assertion that I don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to college admissions, because you’ve done some Googling. U of M and U of I do have close test scores, especially in the SAT. Michigan’s bottom 25% there is only about a percentile higher than U of I, which means only about 15-17k students nationwide would separate the two. The ACT numbers are not as close. The two point different on the bottom end there is the difference between 90 to 95 on the percentiles. That is significant (it would be around 50k students if you’re converting to raw numbers). To be clear both are very good scores for the start of the second quartile; U of I is a good school. The big difference is the in the GPA bands for the middle 50 that you gave. A 3.5-3.95 band for the middle 50 is not “pretty close” to band from 3.9-4.0. There isn’t any other way to frame this: you aren’t using the same admissions criteria/program to get those two different bands. You don’t have to trust me on this, you can verify by Google! Go ahead and Google the acceptance rate for U of I. It’s just under 60%. Do the same for U of M. It’s 23%. Maybe you think, based on your vast experience and recently acquired expertise, that an admissions office admitting about 3/5s of their applicants is doing pretty much the same thing as one admitting less than ¼ of them. I don't.
Also, USNWR is full of shit in a lot of ways, but if you care about it (and colleges do) then a 10 place difference on the public school list is a big deal (U of M and U of I are 16 spots apart on the listing of all colleges, fwiw). If Michigan dropped out of the top 10 publics, if Michigan dropped to where U of I is on these rankings, upper admin would lose their minds (and some of them, their jobs). Now, again, you can’t Google that to verify it, so feel free to dismiss it, but it’s true. But I am tapping out to, because I'm not going to convince you that googling collegeboard.com doesn't make you an expert on admissions.
Diary.
Ummm... Shannon didn't transfer credits to Illinois. He was a grad transfer.
"Illinois is a good school with similar academic standards "
Illinois accepts 60% of applicants.
Michigan accepts 25%.
We don’t know how much this is and isn’t an issue for other programs. We know it affects football. I’d assume it affects hockey as well. Other programs don’t get as much publicity so hard to know.
But we do know that it’s not preventing those other major sports from succeeding, because they are succeeding. I guess you could argue that football and hockey would be national champions with more lenient policies.
Non revenue sports are a different environment. Players aren’t going to be pros in their sports, NIL isn’t as important and a whole bunch of other factors. So it’s really apples and oranges. Large portions of the core of rosters aren’t built in the transfer portal in most sports. That’s what’s happened in basketball. So limiting the pool of players you can go after has a much larger effect. Football and hockey have larger rosters and they are blue bloods. Easier to recruit and in the case of football, players have to stay for 3 years before going to the NFL. And it’s not nearly as common an expectation to start or play significantly right away because of the nature of the sport. So why not stay at Michigan and develop at a school with a good track record of it? So fewer holes to fill and thus less of an issue with transfers.
Doesn’t mean Juwan is blameless and the coaching staff can’t do better but it’s absolutely a hindrance.
Does Howard have no way to check with admissions first? I would assume they would be able to run his transcripts by admissions and get the go ahead.
The admission department at Michigan is an issue, but it seems like Howard has done a pretty awful job of trying to figure it and manage it.
Hopefully we get that Toledo guard.
The way I understand it--at least how the process worked when i went through it and this has been corroborated by others since--the schools (LSA in this case I presume) want all the paperwork turned in and then they process it. Everyone just has to wait for them to come back and say "well this 4-credit course equals 2 credits of nothing, and these 8 classes at the Harvard of France that you took with regular students in French are just 8 credits of general credits because Michigan doesn't have a history of Parisian Architecture or Origins of French Cinema, and no, none of this can be counted towards a French minor.
Any chance Caleb Love bombed his finals and didn't pass the necessary classes to transfer?
Maybe? But 85% sure this was the transfer credits coming back at "WTF" and then they went through the process to appeal (when Love said it was fine) and then they got their appeal denied.
It honestly might be time for a hard break from basketball for me. This is looking grim.
Yeah... I think Im taking Michigan basketball off my DVR's record schedule for the year.
motherfucker. why hasn't this been fixed.
At least Juwan learned from Nojel Eas- I meant, surely he learned from Terrence Sha-, wait he still hasn’t learned to recruit to his school. Maybe take your time and vet your incoming players and confirm they can actually get into the school first? Before shooting your roster in the dick again and again?
Well this fucking sucks!
In the end Michigan loses money from not letting these kids transfer. I just don't understand how they can't take any of his credits or how he can't transfer at all. Is it one class they won't take or what? I transferred to Michigan form a community college and all my credits transferred up to so many but still had to get 30 credits from Michigan to get my degree. Granted the CC works close with Michigan and has some kind of agreement in place but still a major university compared to a CC I just don't get it. Michigan loses money from attendance from fans and money from the NCAA tournament and other places. It is not a good look for Michigan if we can't get people to come here because the transfer portal is the present way of college basketball. It is going to hurt us now and in the future and something has to be done about it.
Is it one class or is it a multitude of classes or is it more because he is an athletic scholarship player as compared to a regular student? I transferred classes between 4 schools and if one class say films is humanities at say OCC then it can transfer in to Michigan as a humanities class towards a Bachelor's degree. Is the student athlete under a whole new set of rules when it comes to transfers is the question as compared to what I did?
Fascinates me that mgoblog has become the place where some sanity prevails when hoops struggles and mass hysteria now regularly takes hold at umhoops; a real role reversal. A lot of dubious scapegoating taking place over there, of an almost purely speculative kind.
I doubt that Juwan will quit without a fight, but it certainly looks like his hands are too tied to succeed at UM in the current circumstances.
After reading the following policy, I kind of understand now why it's a pain in the ass. One and three both seem pretty plausible, but 2 is going to be tough for all but a few schools.
In order for your course work to be considered transferable to the University of Michigan, it must meet the following criteria:
- You have completed course work at an accredited college or university.
- The work that you have completed at your previous/current institution(s) is of similar rigor and content to the course offerings available at Michigan.
- You have earned a grade of C or better while completing it.
Upon evaluation of your academic credentials, you can expect to receive one of the following types of transfer credit.
- Equivalent Credit
Courses that you have completed at other colleges and universities that closely match courses taught at U-M will usually transfer as “equivalent credit”. These courses will appear on your University of Michigan transcript with a U-M courses number assigned. These courses can be used to satisfy distribution and major requirement for LSA.- Departmental Credit
Courses at other colleges and universities whose descriptions don't closely match courses in the same department on our campus. Departmental credit is transferable, but it is usually applicable as elective credit. Therefore, departmental credit may not be used to satisfy admissions prerequisite requirements. Additionally, departmental credit cannot be used to satisfy distribution requirements or major/minor requirements without the permission of an academic or major advisor within the school/college.- Interdepartmental Credit
Courses that cover a broad range of topics within a general area of study are considered “interdepartmental credit.” These are courses that, because of the scope of their subject material, cannot be assigned to any individual academic department. Like departmental credit, interdepartmental credit is usually applicable as elective credit. It also must be approved by an academic or concentration advisor if it is to be used toward distribution or concentration requirements.
It doesn't seem to have changed in recent decades. I came back to Ann Arbor as a junior after two years at another AAU university. There was a meeting - course description catalogs open. Every single credit transferring had to be justified. A couple of courses didn't fit and they just disappeared. But Michigan was more generous about AP credits and language tests, so it came out about even.
If Love didn't have someone from the athletic department preparing him, helping him for that meeting, knowing exactly what the outcome would be, this is an athletic department failing, not a Michigan failing.
It's not like they couldn't anticipate what would happen. Perhaps that's what happened with Shannon as well. Wishful thinking isn't going to get you through that process with the right number of credits. If it wasn't going to work, they should have known. I'm also surprised they couldn't bring him in at the start of spring term with a spring+summer program even if he was quite a few credits short of where he needs to be, but maybe that's a portal rule of some sort.
In short, though, if there were surprises, that's on the athletic department. It's not some blind admissions office process that spits out a random answer months later.
Caleb Love went to University of North Carolina, right? Maybe there's still some issues with sub-standard coursework:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Carolina_academic-athletic_scandal
So hey Juwan, we won’t admit transfers you want, and uh yeah we won’t get your NIL stuff going, and won’t hang your Fab Five banners for taking less money than Kansas NIL for Hunter Dickinson wants. If I was Juwan, I wouldn’t blame him for packing up Jace and leaving to join Jett coaching in the league. The blessing of Belein was he was the unicorn that could win under this system. Good luck to anyone else, UM hoops is dead in this era unless they can get this reconciled with the university,
To say JB was successful in this situation isn't quite accurate. JB did great in his time but the whole reason he quit is because what is now happening in college basketball. JB quit at the beginning of the new transfer portal era. JB hated what college basketball was turning into. He liked to teach and wanted players to stay at least for him 3 years or more. Right now it does seem JH is being hel back from doing the best job he can as a coach of Michigan. People act like he isn't a good coach but JH was offered a few NBA jobs before he coached at Michigan and then after he was at Michigan. He isn't perfect but some people here act like Izzo is a better coach and moral Human person then Juwan. Which is wrong and messed up. Every new coach has some ups and downs but he did take us to an Elite 8 and Sweet 16. But for people leaving early and admissions not letting players in isn't his fault. Also he develops players who become so good they are now 1st round picks in the NBA and it seems people get mad be sue these guys improved under Juwan and went pro. That is something to promote when recruiting is player development.
Oh darn ass in a hammock.
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MGoWife and I just finished B99 last night. Thoroughly enjoyed it, and are now in search of our next comedy series.
So to simplify if only for me...
- We can recruit top talent but they are likely to be one & done.
- We can't afford to keep up with the NIL Jones's retaining the remaining talent we have.
- The admissions department will block an athletes non-graduate college transfer credits.
Well friends, we're totally fucked.
The one and dones we get will not reach their potential upside however until after they leave the University.
This isn’t rocket science. All courses come with a code. Should take but a few hours for someone to let a transfer know if their credits will work. People transfer into Michigan all the time, it doesn’t take months of uncertainty, they usually know before they start the process what will transfer and what won’t. And that’s normal students, not athletes who don’t have the same standards to meet.
To mangle an idiom, the Michigan admissions department is not full of rocket scientists. Instead, they are a bunch of bureaucrats performing an 8-5 job and getting things done at their pace.
If only it were that simple. The process is way more opaque than that.
It is that simple.
There is literally a web site you type course names into and it tells you whether there is an equivalent course, and what that course is.
Thousands of students navigate this relatively easily with no professional help. That the basketball staff can't seem to figure out what a bunch of average 21 years olds manage is... Damning.
Michigan basketball and MSU football are becoming one and the same. We are even doing losing incoming transfers on the same days now.
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