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Brian September 19th, 2020 at 12:33 PM

Kevin Warren will never have a moment of peace. The Big Ten announced that the season would be postponed or cancelled, and a bunch of people screamed at him because they wanted their football. The Big Ten announced a return to play based on point of contact testing, and a different set of people furrowed their brows and wrote very serious takes about how this was a Dark Day. Christine Brennan went the furthest:

This is wrong for a hundred reasons, but it is far from alone. Jemele Hill has an Atlantic piece, Pat Forde has an SI piece, and Mitch Albom has a Free Press piece that all all have more or less the same premise: the Big Ten returns to the field out of Scrooge McDuck-level greed and for no other reason.

Another common thread in discussions of the return to play on social media is that it says something about the world's misplaced priorities that football will resume when various other things, mostly schools, remain shut down. I'm not going to contest the idea that things are disastrous. This has almost nothing to do with football.

The Big Ten was correct to postpone the season; they're correct to reinstate it.

Isn't this a reversal from your previous position?

Football with daily point of contact testing is an entirely different animal than the existing regimes, as the previous post on this topic explicitly stated:

If you want to do something useful in the hopes of a spring season, advocate for the development of a protocol that uses the recently approved point-of-contact saliva test as a way to have safe football—for everyone, not just athletes—in the spring. Advocate for a nationwide testing system that will get the virus under control.

This is largely because the equation changes from the inevitability that playing football will worsen the pandemic to one where playing is pandemic-neutral.

[After THE JUMP: community spread, priorities, myocarditis]

Will playing cause more community spread?

You can certainly argue that up to this point football activities have caused community spread, including the Big Ten's. It's hard to believe that 30-40% of Wisconsin players and staff have tested positive…

…without 1) much of that transmission being intra-team and 2) intra-team transmission resulting in community transmission. The situation at various southern schools is certainly worse, with LSU and Texas Tech pursuing a herd immunity approach that certainly made local conditions worse and has likely left 10%+ of each playing roster dealing with as yet-unannounced myocarditis issues. 

That's bad. The Pac 12 really, truly shut everything down when they made the call, which now makes it difficult or impossible for them to follow the Big 10 back to competition. Bruce Feldman has a piece with various quotes from anonymous coaches and officials:

“I don’t think people know that when the seasons were postponed, the Big Ten and Pac-12 took completely different paths. They kept going like it was still training camp. They kept the same schedule like they were gonna play. We didn’t. Half of our schools couldn’t."

It is fair to say that the Big Ten's approach hasn't been as good for public health so far.

Going forward I don't think that's the case. The Big Ten's announced approach should not have community effects since COVID positive individuals will be found and isolated before they can trigger intra-team transmission. Football players will catch coronavirus by interacting with civilians and then be isolated. They will no longer catch coronavirus from teammates and then go back into the community until test results come back.

There is the possibility someone Rutgers this up—probably Rutgers—but since Big Ten football programs seem to be doing much better than universities as a whole

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…it's clear that the decision to open campuses is much worse than the one to play football.

It's not fair that football players get tests

The number of tests available to football players is not significant when applied to larger testing initiatives. Football players are 0.2% of Michigan's enrollment. There is no situation where the football players getting tests prevents a similarly wide-ranging testing program from being implemented simply because there are 500 other students for every football player.

Testing football players a lot makes sense because it is a small number of students who can undertake activities that matter to many people for various reasons. Any other group in the same situation can and should get similar testing. What is preventing them is not football but an incredible society-wide decision to be stupid assholes and not fund things like this:

The problem isn't that people care enough about football to make it work. It's that they don't seem to care about anything else.

Michigan in particular has THREE POINT NINE BILLION dollars in unrestricted endowment funds. They just do not care to use them. Michigan will only fund sufficient tests for safety when it provides a direct benefit to the bottom line. This is not a football issue; football just happens to be in the very narrow band of activities in which testing equals more money.

If that's your point, okay. The university administration has been comically inept and seems like every other band of diseased mandarins running institutions into the ground. You could fire every last one of them and I'd be fine with it. But the solution to "football players have good testing and nobody else does" is not "nobody has good testing."

What about myocarditis?

Myocarditis is likely to sideline a number of Big Ten players. The league has a mandatory 21-day sit-out period for anyone who tests positive and is going to do everything they can to monitor the heart situation of anyone who tests positive:

All COVID-19 positive student-athletes will have to undergo comprehensive cardiac testing to include labs and biomarkers, ECG, Echocardiogram and a Cardiac MRI. Following cardiac evaluation, student-athletes must receive clearance from a cardiologist designated by the university for the primary purpose of cardiac clearance for COVID-19 positive student-athletes. The earliest a student-athlete can return to game competition is 21 days following a COVID-19 positive diagnosis.

In addition to the medical protocols approved, the 14 Big Ten institutions will establish a cardiac registry in an effort to examine the effects on COVID-19 positive student-athletes. The registry and associated data will attempt to answer many of the unknowns regarding the cardiac manifestations in COVID-19 positive elite athletes.

Various people have criticized this approach as treating Big Ten football players as "guinea pigs." Many of these criticisms are bad faith idiocy, like the viral tweet guy that said this had "Tuskegee vibes" because this was going to "more-or-less intentionally infect" players, which is completely untrue.

It's still worth addressing: the Big Ten looks like it's set to hold out anyone with abnormal testing. It is explicitly promising to provide cardiac MRIs that Ohio State doctors caught asymptomatic cases of covid-induced myocarditis with:

Cardiac magnetic resonance imaging has the potential to identify a high-risk cohort for adverse outcomes and may, importantly, risk stratify athletes for safe participation because CMR mapping techniques have a high negative predictive value to rule out myocarditis.4

Coronavirus is an unpredictable disease that has widely varying effects on people. It does seem to damage heart function in some cases. What it is exceedingly unlikely to do is damage heart function undetectably.

The Big Ten's approach clears the ethical bar because it is focused on the safety of athletes first and also endeavors to be useful to the medical community, not the other way around.

Did we prioritize football over schools?

No. Football has barely been played. We prioritized bars and restaurants over schools. We prioritized political allegiances over science and therefore schools. We prioritized opening college campuses over K-12. To date, football has had an infinitesimal effect on the state of the coronavirus pandemic in the United States, because football has barely been played.

Comments

1VaBlue1

September 19th, 2020 at 3:16 PM ^

"...to be stupid assholes and not fund things like this:..."

This is for spending $4/week for each student, for testing.  The internet tells me that Ann Arbor public schools have ~16,000 students.  Those numbers equate to $576,000 for 9 weeks of testing - a generic semester.  Does the A2 school system have $2.4M sitting around for weekly testing?

Maybe they do?  Probably not...  Gawd knows the Senate isn't going to make a dime available to help out.

BJNavarre

September 19th, 2020 at 4:18 PM ^

It seems like in Ann Arbor the PTOs would easily raise that money in a week. Whether the schools could use that money towards testing, I dunno, but if they couldn't then that brings up a bigger issue in the public schools if they are restricted from using certain funds, depending on where the money comes from.

MGoBender

September 19th, 2020 at 4:52 PM ^

$2.4M is a lot... but who's to say they need to test for the entire school year. I bet you can test strategically. You test through thanksgiving, and again to start January. By then who knows how things have changed.

I'd think I'd bet $1.2M on giving it a shot. I know I pay enough in taxes to feel that way :)

4th phase

September 19th, 2020 at 3:52 PM ^

Big Ten players aren’t the guinea pigs. The ACC players you’re watching today are. If none of them are hospitalized in the next month then it’ll be play on. 
The games these last 2 weeks have given the big ten the cover they needed. They were worried about liability, and no one had been sued through 2 weeks despite cases and cancelled games. Also the players unionization efforts were shut down by the start of games. Every college is afraid to pay the players, they thought playing games would lead to a professional model, but it turns out the players were more organized when they weren’t playing. So starting the season put off compensation for another few years.
 

bronxblue

September 19th, 2020 at 3:54 PM ^

I'll be the contrarian here.

I recognize the argument is correct that we shouldn't punish football players with inadequate testing just because we don't seem to care about providing this level of testing to the rest of society.  But that feels like a copout from actual action; people flew from fucking Florida to stand outside the Big 10 office to complain about football not getting played.  Jim Harbaugh and a bunch of players marched around campus demanding a chance to play.  Lawsuits were filed and letter written.  And at least optically, they seemed to be effective - where once football didn't exist it now does.  

But why don't we see Shawn Wade's dad screaming at people about how every OSU fan should have access to these tests; why isn't Jim Harbaugh talking about how Schlissel won't take his calls about campus-wide testing?  How about these highly-visible players, who just highlighted how powerful they can be en masse, marching around campus demanding the same protections for their peers as they now receive.

The answer, if you can't guess by now, is because we have fucked up priorities in this country, and so now when 4/5 of the P5 schools in this country stomp their feet and hold their breath, we reward them with a relatively precious resource.  The math here isn't just the 150-ish athletes, staff, etc. getting one rapid test - by all accounts it sounds like 150-ish tests daily, for months, across the 14 teams in the conference.  That's an immense number of tests being set aside for someone's entertainment (back of the napkin math makes it north of 100k tests just during the 8-game season).  

I don't blame the players, coaches, or anyone else for this circumstance; they're looking out for their best interests like we all are.  But I also don't believe it's intellectually honest to just point at the flaming ball of shit that is the US right now and shrug away how this decision to start the season isn't a tacit acknowledgement that the flaming ball of shit is acceptable.  The fact Jim Harbaugh had a 4-minute interview today on Gameday and didn't mention once how bad a look it is that people around the country are suffering while he's getting ready to get tested every day rubbed me the wrong way.  

I guess I'm just tired of watching this story play out the same way and everyone just getting numb to it.  I read here all the time that the NCAA sucks because people in power are just sort of in power, with a callous disregard for the morality that they pontificate on.  And yet, because people now get to watch Michigan go 6-2 during a jumbled season that will feature football in front of a half-frozen stadium in December, all seems to be fine.  The same awful system that abuses players and has allowed the worst tendencies of rich men to dominate for decades just got another win, and at some point I'm tired of watching them run up the score.

bklein09

September 19th, 2020 at 4:44 PM ^

I’m with you Bronx. I thought it was the right decision to cancel, and I still do. Bringing back the season isn’t really a victory, at least not one I’m going to celebrate.

Yes, I’ll watch the games and support the team. But I think our priorities are completely out of whack, and that won’t change, even if we somehow pull off 9 games. 

4th phase

September 19th, 2020 at 5:10 PM ^

Bringing back the season is great on an individual level because it allows a guy like Kwity Paye to play his last season here and live out his dream. Coming from Sierra Lione to small town Connecticut to UM to NFL. Great story. But on the whole bringing the season back only enables all the things this site claims to hate about college sports.

Dr. Venture

September 19th, 2020 at 5:04 PM ^

Spot on. 

Throughout the pandemic a lot of priorities have been screwed up. I think our inability to make rational sacrifices to try and slow down the transmission of a highly contagious virus has made everything a 1000 times worse. 
 

Using precious resources to ensure players and personal remain safe for a glorified exhibition football season is kind of ridiculous. Why isn’t the guy stocking groceries or those working in meat packing plants getting daily testing? They are FAR more important to our everyday lives.  

crg

September 19th, 2020 at 4:24 PM ^

Brian is being a hypocrite and also far overstating the effect/importance of the "rapid" testing.

The ultimate *operational* issue (meaning let's just set the whole deadly global pandemic issue aside for a moment) is that, if the university is going to commit these resources and rule changes/bending to bring back football, it should do so for EVERY SINGLE STUDENT ACTIVITY - all other sports and all other school-sponsored student organization that it already sanctions.  Anything else is simply a shameless money grab to get that sweet, sweet TV revenue - which is not the purpose of a public institute of higher learning.

Catchafire

September 19th, 2020 at 4:58 PM ^

If I were a player, I would view this whole situation as an experiment and I'm the study.  We will see what the future holds for these players because currently no one knows.

gustave ferbert

September 19th, 2020 at 5:09 PM ^

The big ten did NOT do a good job.  Yes they're playing football which is all well and good, but did you look at the schedule????

O$U has basically been handed the conference title.  ILLINOIS AND NEBRASKA?  We get Wisconsin and Minnesota. 

 

Horseshit

johnnywalkerblue

September 19th, 2020 at 5:13 PM ^

"has likely left 10%+ of each playing roster dealing with as yet-unannounced myocarditis issues"

Dangerous non-medical assumption

remdog

September 19th, 2020 at 6:07 PM ^

The negative fear mongering is stupid.  The critics have no idea what they're talking about. There are risks and benefits to playing or not playing now and nobody knows which is safer.  There are risks in life, known and unknown, and usually it's best to let people decide what risks they wish to take.

bklein09

September 19th, 2020 at 6:47 PM ^

Such an idiotic argument since we don’t do that in most other areas of society. Plus you’re missing the point that an individual taking a risk by definition puts others at risk when it comes to a virus. Your rights end where mine begin. 

So the last part of your comment is completely wrong in every possible way. Congratulations on that!

bklein09

September 19th, 2020 at 9:22 PM ^

This is not complicated, but listen closely. Every person who gets the virus puts others at risk. That’s because it’s what we call contagious.

It’s a fact. And you know what else is a fact? While I can make the decision to stay away from people like you, millions of others can’t. Doctors and nurses can’t choose not to treat you when you end up in the ICU. That alone is reason enough to reduce your exposure, but I’m guessing you don’t care about that. 

Your argument has no basis in reality.  

remdog

September 19th, 2020 at 10:35 PM ^

This is not complicated. Listen closely. We do not know if playing football will increase spread of the virus of if the negative consequences outweigh the positive.  You don't know what you think you know. There are many negative consequences of players not playing football in all facets of life.

In theory, we could reduce our exposure by going into a total lockdown but guess what - we don't even know if lockdowns averted more deaths than they caused! That's the latest analysis. And that's not even accounting for all the negative consequences to life in general short of death. 

bklein09

September 19th, 2020 at 11:10 PM ^

I never said playing football will for sure increase the spread. You’re really good at creating a false premise to argue against. 

I responded to Jobbed who is claiming that people “living their lives” doesn’t affect others. That’s comical. Of course people spreading the virus affects others. No one can seriously say it doesn’t. 

Your comment about the lockdowns is patently false. Masks, social distancing mandates, and yes even lockdowns absolutely decreased the spread of a deadly virus and therefore saved lives. That is 10000000% true and the scientific community agrees. You’re just plain wrong. 

remdog

September 20th, 2020 at 12:39 AM ^

Your speaking with inappropriate certainty. And you directly implied that playing football would increase the spread and increase the risk of infection of others.  It may have the opposite effect, believe it or not.  The analysis of lockdowns or any measure is extremely complicated.  You have to look at life-years lost or gained and this hasn't been fully assessed.  There are so many unintended consequences.  The jury is out.  The data is incomplete and often contradictory.  Some countries and states with the most stringent lockdowns fared the worst.

You're completely wrong in your absolute certainty.

I'm speaking with some expertise not just as a lay person.  I recognize the limits of my understanding and the limited data at this time.  Regardless, anyone in the scientific community who speaks with certainty on these issues is misguided or biased.  I'm not arguing against any of these measures - the logic and data is compelling on masks and social distancing. I'm a major proponent.  Lockdowns seem a bit more complicated but logic favored these in the initial stages of the outbreak.  I'm not as certain about these based on overall data at this time.  There is not a good correlation between lockdowns and case trends or mortality rates.

I think we agree on what is likely to be true.  But you could use more humility and realize the limits of your knowledge and our overall knowledge at this juncture.

remdog

September 19th, 2020 at 8:56 PM ^

OMFG

Your response is needlessly hostile and completely irrational.  We don't do that in most other areas of society?  What reality do you live in? Every time you get in a moving vehicle you are putting yourself and others at risk.  And I strongly suspect somebody playing a sport is not posing nearly as great a risk to others as somebody driving down the road.
 

But feel free to believe whatever you want to believe. Just try to respect the rights of others to live their lives instead of cowering in fear forever or bowing to your irrational fears..

 

 

 

 

bklein09

September 19th, 2020 at 9:34 PM ^

ROFLMFAO!! Am I doing that right?!

I live in a reality where there are speed limits, seat belt laws, laws against smoking inside, laws requiring children to be vaccinated, laws requiring you to get permits before renovating your house, laws about what medications my doctor can give me, laws against recreational drugs, laws about the legal age for smoking/drinking/gambling, etc. I could go on forever, but you know that.

Sure you decide to take a risk when getting in your car, but there are rules restricting those risks. If you drink and drive, we’ve decided as a society that you are unfairly putting others at risk. When you get caught you may lose your license. When you kill someone, you go to prison for decades. Your rights end where others begin. It’s true on the road, and in many other parts of our lives.  

Pretending that our society is not built on rules like this is completely naive, and that’s putting it kindly. I honestly don’t know how you don’t get that.

I’ll say it one more time. Your rights end where mine begin. 

remdog

September 19th, 2020 at 10:23 PM ^

You still don't get it. There are limits on all the behaviors you mentioned but people are still free to engage in these behaviors which pose risks to YOU!!! There is no evidence that somebody playing a sport impacts you more than any of these other behaviors!!  You do not have a right to complete safety in life.  Period.  Otherwise, you could dictate that everybody abstain from alcohol and walk everywhere.  And guess what, these dictates may pose greater risks to everybody than letting everybody be free to engage in these behaviors (but not mix them).  That's why we don't have alcohol prohibition anymore.  As for sports, it is quite possible that participating will be better for their health AND also lower the risk of getting infection or spreading to others.  Without strong evidence of risks greater than benefits, it is nuts for people to self-righteously say they shouldn't play sports much less force them not to. They think they know more than they do - arrogantly ignorant.

 

I don't think you understand the meaning of "your rights end where mine begin." You have a grandiose idea of your own rights somehow including absolute certainty that somebody else's behavior won't affect you. That's not how it works. Otherwise, we would all never leave the house and we'd all starve. 

bklein09

September 19th, 2020 at 10:56 PM ^

You sound like you’re upset. Try not to take things so seriously.

You’re arguing against something I never said. I never said they can’t play sports. They have a right to take that risk, assuming the local laws don’t prohibit it due to the pandemic. But the leaders of the B1G also had every right to cancel the season. The players right to play football is not protected by law. The B1G is an organization led by people in charge of deciding how it will operate. If players didn’t like the decision to cancel, they could have transferred or organized pick-up games with their team mates. It certainly would have been their right to do so. No one is arguing that. You’re just confused. When the B1G cancels games due to an outbreak (which is going to happen), the players will just deal with it because they don’t have any other choice. You should do the same. 

As for me, I never claimed to have the right to complete safety. That’s another argument you completely fabricated. I fully understand the meaning of my statement. You have the right to walk down the street, but not to set foot on my property uninvited. You have the right to smoke, but not in the bar I own. You have the right to drive, but not run the red light and hit me in the intersection. Of course you can do those things anyway, and that would negatively affect me. But you don’t have the right to, and in fact, you violate my rights in the process. That’s what my statement means. You’re not allowed to violate my rights in order to exercise yours. That’s 100% true. That’s why people who purposely sneezed on food and babies during the pandemic were charged with a crime.

I figured you “law & order” folks would understand this. 

remdog

September 20th, 2020 at 12:49 AM ^

You're back tracking.  You clearly implied that nobody had a right to engage in activities that posed any risk to you.  Obviously, you didn't mean that.

I think you're making a lot of assumptions with too much certainty - including that I am a "law & order folk," whatever that means.

You attacked my statements without adequate basis - much like the critics of the Big Ten's decision.

I think we have a similar philosophy despite our differences.

Cheers.  

 

bklein09

September 20th, 2020 at 1:11 AM ^

I’m not back tracking at all. Show me where I apparently implied “that nobody had a right to engage in activities that posed any risk to you”. 

You’re confusing people’s rights with their ability to do anything they want. Yes, people can do whatever. They can drink, do drugs, have orgies, they can shoot someone in Times Square. Some of those actions are rights that are protected by law. Some of them are not protected, and in fact, illegal. When someone’s actions impede or interfere with the rights of others, they are almost always prohibited. I gave plenty of examples previously.

Anyway, I agree that it’s time for us both to move on. Cheers to you as well! 

 

IGotJobbed

September 19th, 2020 at 8:39 PM ^

This has become so political that it's not surprising a bunch of lefty media types bashed the Big 10. This whole thing was bungled from the start from the conference. They never should have canceled in the first place. It wasn't based on fact or data. It was based on an agenda. Any claim of caring about player safety is extremely disingenuous. They never cared about it before and they won't care after COVID is gone.

Durham Blue

September 19th, 2020 at 9:49 PM ^

Seeing what is happening, or is being said to be happening, at LSU, Clemson, etc, with herd immunity crap, I am glad the B1G ditched the non-conference games and kept it to members only.  Kevin Warren had his meeting with Trump but didn't succumb to the pressure and respond with a knee jerk reaction.  Rather, he held private meetings and came up with a coherent plan that emphasized both player and community safety.  A plan rooted in availability of rapid testing.  He took advice from the medical and scientific community.  Kevin Warren is quickly ascending in my eyes. 

energyblue1

September 19th, 2020 at 9:59 PM ^

Lets see, college football games are cancelled over contact tracing.  Big Ten players have to sit for 21 days if they test positive.  It's insane. 

Oh, the Big Ten should have started the last saturday of September.  Because it's safe to do so. 

On a side note, I'd love to follow some of these writers around in their personal lives.  You ever notice they don't have up recent pictures on their official page. You know they aren't living like they're preaching... 

BornInA2

September 20th, 2020 at 12:13 PM ^

Until I (and everyone else) can get tested weekly, using up precious testing resources so teenagers can play a game is trump-level narcissism.

I miss football.And this is all about money: Rich people get richer, kids on full-ride plus scholarships get to risk their health and the health of others playing an entirely, completely, non-essential game.

Mpfnfu Ford

September 20th, 2020 at 5:06 PM ^

No. Football has barely been played. We prioritized bars and restaurants over schools. We prioritized political allegiances over science and therefore schools. We prioritized opening college campuses over K-12. To date, football has had an infinitesimal effect on the state of the coronavirus pandemic in the United States, because football has barely been played.

 

Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup. 

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