How To Win In Recruiting
February 8th, 2018 at 2:10 PM ^
$$$$$$$$$ is how you win
February 8th, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^
Winners go home and recruit the prom queen.
February 8th, 2018 at 2:39 PM ^
The Prom Queen? Can she protect the blind side because if so, let's get her!
February 8th, 2018 at 2:42 PM ^
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February 8th, 2018 at 8:35 PM ^
Obligatory.....
February 8th, 2018 at 3:05 PM ^
I’m not whining, I’m being honest. Recruiting is a dirty game. If you think schools that are consistently bringing in top five classes aren’t bending the rules a bit then that’s completely on you for being that ignorant.
February 8th, 2018 at 3:19 PM ^
This is 100% true. I'm always amazed by the people on this board who somehow think that "recruiting violations" means a free dinner at Red Robin and a birthday card from Sarah with $5 in it. These are probably the same people who were somewhat surprised by the basketball recruiting scandal last summer.
The truth is kids are getting well into the six figures in compensation, one way or another, and the teams that play into that have an advantage in recruiting. M doesn't play that game to the extent that many other schools do, therefore we are laboring with a disadvantage in recruiting.
February 8th, 2018 at 6:36 PM ^
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February 9th, 2018 at 5:12 PM ^
Can you imagine how many rebounds he have had if we've given him a Lexus?
February 9th, 2018 at 7:57 AM ^
that supports "kids are getting well into six figures in compensation" ?
February 9th, 2018 at 12:17 PM ^
You can duckduckgo it yourself, but sure.
Sam Webb said that Rashan was offered into the six figures by a school that everyone assumed to be Clemson. I believe Hackett alluded to it at one time as well.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/father-of-ricky-seals-j…
https://www.seccountry.com/kentucky/louisville-paid-5-star-100000-ensur…
I mean I've personally seen kids in basketball get total compensation - tuition, use of car, tickets, meals, etc. - that easily totalled over $25,000 just to switch high schools, and those weren't even D1 or major D1 kids.
Colleges are, or were, hiring kids' parents left and right to get money into recruits' hands.
February 9th, 2018 at 1:01 PM ^
February 9th, 2018 at 1:47 PM ^
Actually SMU was caught three separate times during that time and because they were caught the third time they got the death penalty.
February 8th, 2018 at 10:29 PM ^
Did you throw in the consistently part to avoid implicating UM? The previous two years we recruited at a high level. Were we bending the rules or is it possible that ther are only handful of recruits that require something extra?
February 9th, 2018 at 7:55 AM ^
Weve had 2 top 5 clases in 13 years - both due to the "New Coach had a good first season glow" IMO. If Michigan is cheating they arent doing a good job at it.
February 9th, 2018 at 1:43 PM ^
So when Michigan brought in those good classes in 2016 and 2017, were they cheating?
February 8th, 2018 at 3:23 PM ^
If its prom and you have to go home and recruit the prom queen, you're not winning
February 8th, 2018 at 4:10 PM ^
non-UM HC: You call it what you want! You're down there we're up here! You walked into the wrong gd recruiting battle Harbaugh!
February 8th, 2018 at 4:14 PM ^
Also listen (HS recruit name), I think we got started off on the wrong foot. Jim Harbaugh, UM HC. Let's talk music. Did you like the Louis Elbel song "The Victors"?
February 8th, 2018 at 9:20 PM ^
February 8th, 2018 at 4:33 PM ^
Alabama at 19. Yeah, that list is totally legit.
What an utterly useless bit of clickbait.
I don't know how they got their "data", but they didn't ask anyone with a brain.
February 8th, 2018 at 6:51 PM ^
and elite education schools cannot compete. It is a fact now and going forward. MIchigan can make inroads but at the end of the day, the benefits for coming to Michigan is a superior education, a successful alumni organization and outstanding networking contacts. Football is secondary. With AL. Clemson, OSU, Georgia and others it all about football and only football.
When Saban recruits, he shows the recruits a check which represents what Al players in the NFL are making as a total of the group. This is the attraction. Not that MIchigan has a great business or engineering school.
You will not see a top 20 college in academics win a national championship. Accept it.Enjoy the good football but it will never be like the football factories.
February 8th, 2018 at 10:06 PM ^
What a loser attitude. You wearing a smoking jacket and puffing on a pipe when you wrote that? The fact you think you can't have both means you have already checked out. Put on your big boy pants and get to work!
February 9th, 2018 at 1:49 PM ^
The things you list for Michigan can be provided by amost any B1G school.
February 8th, 2018 at 2:12 PM ^
win on the field
February 8th, 2018 at 2:13 PM ^
February 8th, 2018 at 2:15 PM ^
Get 2-3 players from Ohio that are 4* plus.
Get 2-3 players from NJ and or Penn 4* plus.
Get TWO 5* players from the South or West.
Fill the rest with 3* to 4* character guys.
1 5* OL and or DL every class.
That's how and you pay the coaches who can recruit more money and fire the ones who can't!
February 8th, 2018 at 4:05 PM ^
February 8th, 2018 at 2:18 PM ^
Michigan is ahead of Alabama in brand!!! But behind Michigan State... which has me questioning the veracity of the sample selection.
February 8th, 2018 at 2:23 PM ^
Alabama has a nationally negative reputation from being an SEC whiiner, to paying players (allegedly) and always being in the championship (like the NE Patriots). Perhaps those things drag them down in a large sample size of recruits.
February 8th, 2018 at 3:53 PM ^
Or because they asked every recruit to pretend they had offers from everybody. They don't need to actually be honest though, and probably have a negative perception if they WEREN'T recruited by Bama. In other words the #700 recruit is going to have a lot better perception of MSU than Bama because Bama ignored them.
February 9th, 2018 at 7:49 AM ^
February 8th, 2018 at 2:20 PM ^
I was going to complain about the Brand Rankings, but then I remembered that these recruits only know about 10 years of history in college sports, and then they made more sense.
February 8th, 2018 at 2:25 PM ^
February 8th, 2018 at 4:35 PM ^
Some of those don't pass the smell test, even if it was administered to 224 high school kids (I would hope nationwide, but that's way too dificult I'm sure). I'm guessing bias from recruits who had not been offered by top tier schools. Wisconsin and Michigan state often send out mass recruits to 3 stars to see what sticks. Then you see here that Michigan State, Wisconsin and UCLA are significantly higher than Alabama??? Okay. There isn't a year in performance or recruiting in the past ten years that would put them above or even close to Alabama... who is also located below Michigan.
A plain reading and I can tell they messed up the brand ranking and athletic department revenue relationship, it looks like so they could show a more clean line. For example, Stanford is listed down around 35 for brand ranking on the revenue relationship plot, when based on the simple brand ranking results, between Oklahoma and LSU, it should be WAY out in no-mans land up at the 10. Once I see one obvious alteration like that to paint a story, combined by an obviously skewed study to be sure, I don't know if I can actually have meaningful takeaways from this "study".
February 8th, 2018 at 3:44 PM ^
Lol what a dumb article. Net takeway is that program branding is highly correlated with winning recruits!
"Stadium size, uniforms, program prestige, coach prestige, coach persona, location, media exposure, fan sentiment, playing style, and academics are only a handful of the endless factors that play a role in an athlete’s decision. The net sum of all these influences becomes the program’s brand."
So you're telling me if you do everything well you're more likely to get better recruits? No shit.
February 8th, 2018 at 2:24 PM ^
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February 8th, 2018 at 3:51 PM ^
as long as someone else is paying, I'm sure I can find all sorts of things that would help out with recruiting.
February 8th, 2018 at 2:24 PM ^
get so high on potenuse?
February 8th, 2018 at 2:25 PM ^
How is Bama so low, that's the big miss on this to me. And MSU being that high means it was before Nassar they asked these kids.
I would expect our brand to be 15-20 based on the last decade or more of whatwe've seen. We should be top 5 soon.