Three Minnesota Players Ejected for Targeting
I do not know if this topic has already been discussed, but after watching replays of the hits...all three looked like legitimate targets. None of them seemed to be Joe Bolden-esque, and seemed to deserve an ejection....
I was just curious on your guys' thoughts on the calls?
September 2nd, 2016 at 2:54 PM ^
Minnesota looks pretty bad. I don't know what people saw in Mitch Leidner in the off-season. Dude can't throw the ball. He's basically like Jared Lorenzen-lite without the arm.
September 2nd, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^
He looks like a guy who should be a good QB. Good athlete, tall, etc. Just can't throw for shit.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:15 PM ^
+1 for semantics.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:25 PM ^
You may run like Mays, but you hit like shit.
September 2nd, 2016 at 2:59 PM ^
I think Mel Kiper just has a thing for tall college guys
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:14 PM ^
NTTAWWT?
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:23 PM ^
there kind of may be something wrong with that.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:03 PM ^
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:10 PM ^
The Minnesota QB back in 2005 I think? He had three names, he was super fast. I believe it was the Friday night game where Navarre had that throw-back 50 plus yard reception TD.
We had them stopped to a 4th and 1, and he basically just broke through a goal line formation and ran the entire field for a TD.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:12 PM ^
Asad Abdul Khaliq. Not 2005 though. He was a senior in 2003, same as Navarre.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:15 PM ^
Beat me to the punch. That play was great though. Didn't Carr call it the transcontinental?
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:17 PM ^
Must not link to Robert Deniro SNL skit. Must. Not. Link...
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:21 PM ^
Also used in the 2001 Illinois game, 1997 PSU and a couple others I'm forgetting.
September 2nd, 2016 at 5:28 PM ^
The one time Debord thought that it was OK to try to deceive the opponent. Also it's the Water Buffalo Stampede.
September 2nd, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^
The last two times we played Minnesota they knocked our QB out of the game with helmet to helmet hits. This is becoming a trend with them.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:35 PM ^
Tracy Claeys's answer when asked about it made me think he doesn't think his players did anything wrong and targeting calls are just the cost of playing the way he coaches his players to play.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:57 PM ^
He may not end up being the best ambassador for our great game. He may also end up stinking as a football coach.
September 2nd, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^
September 2nd, 2016 at 2:59 PM ^
I agree. When I first saw the headline I was instantly worried it was terrible ejections, but they were legitimate shots to the head.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:08 PM ^
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:16 PM ^
When it happens that often you lose the benefit of the doubt. It might be time to eject a few coaches over there.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:28 PM ^
September 2nd, 2016 at 2:57 PM ^
that shit started catching up with them ...
September 2nd, 2016 at 2:57 PM ^
The refs are finally catching up with those bastards. After the un-called targeting against Shane two years ago and then against a sliding Jake last year, i have no sympathy. Throw those headhunting thugs out.
September 2nd, 2016 at 2:59 PM ^
That Hoke put him out, then put him back out there again.
Yeah, targeting sucks, should never happen. Those kids get caught up in the game and go way overboard. But having a grown adult who should be caring for these players leaving him out there. Horrible.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:16 PM ^
This absolutely needs to be rehashed.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:17 PM ^
Be fair to Hoke, he had no idea what was going on and he was low on claps that day.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:30 PM ^
He didn't eat on game days and all
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:42 PM ^
Yeah and with his age and other factors type 2 diabetes is a concern.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:44 PM ^
He forgot to wear his headset.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:59 PM ^
Probably because the chatter about play calling would distract him from butt slapping and hand clapping.
Hoke never was an Xs and Os coach. Which is why I'm selling Oregon this year. They will get crushed by Stanford.
September 2nd, 2016 at 4:39 PM ^
September 2nd, 2016 at 6:16 PM ^
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:02 PM ^
I was discussing this with a coworker this morning. We both agreed, they all looked like legit targeting calls, and Leidner is a run-first QB with limited throwing abilities. Minny was one of those possible dark-horse candidates to surprise in the West, but after watching last night's game, I don't see them doing much against B1G competition.
I mean, cmong man, they barely won the Rodent Bowl last night...
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:03 PM ^
They were all legitimate. The gray area I see is about illegal contact "once a qb starts his slide". It happens SO damn quick, I can see how some guys might get tossed for not being able to pull up. But, last night, those were all legit penalties.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:05 PM ^
I agree. I feel for the defender who leads with his helmet at the waist, the QB starts his slide, and his helmet ends up at the defender's level. I'm not really sure how you stop that, though I'm fine with leaving the rule the way it is to limit head trauma for players.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:14 PM ^
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September 2nd, 2016 at 3:19 PM ^
So fucking this. Learn how to tackle.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:45 PM ^
Are you suggesting Shawn Crable was using poor technique? If so, how should he have performed that hit?
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:59 PM ^
Anyway it's not a perfect form tackle but it's also not targeting. And I'm never going to hold up Shawn Crable as a paragon of football discipline. Mostly O just like the face Brady Quinn is making.
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September 2nd, 2016 at 3:37 PM ^
Defenders should be keeping their heads up.
Overall, I think I'm ok with erring on the side of protecting the QB, even if it means a UofM player gets questionably ejected.....as long as the rule is applied consistently. That's the big problem the last few years. What gets a player tossed one game (Bolden) was not applied the same in other games.
I doubt coaches are going to be teaching QBs ways to slide in order to draw this penalty. Too risky to have your QB taking head shots. So, I really don't think this rule will get abused, it just needs to be consistent.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:49 PM ^
Last night the South Carolina QB, running for yardage, started to slide just as a LB was making a tackle attempt. Happily a very good non-call was made even though helmets connected.
And BTW, will a ball carrier ever be called for leading with his helmet? I believe the next time this is flagged will be the first time.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:03 PM ^
With the new slide rule, quarterbacks can slide indo a target. I could see it being employed like a charge in basketball where you're rewarded for getting to a spot vs playing defense or even worse in basketball where the shooter initiates contact (usually at the end if the game) and gets the call. Only the stakes are higher with targeting.
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September 2nd, 2016 at 3:10 PM ^
Biggest changes I think need to be made are a) call targeting against offensive players too - RBs shouldn't get to use their helmets as battering rams and b) allow a 15yd penalty for a reversed targeting call. The hit on Rudock should have been at least 15 last year, even if it wasn't an ejection.
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September 2nd, 2016 at 3:22 PM ^
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:28 PM ^
I agree that incidental contact, particularly with the face mask or side of the helmet, or any case where a tackler is blocked into a player or is making an obvious effort to avoid a head-hit, should not be penalized.
But really, with good tackling form, hard hits to the head shouldn't happen "on almost every play", because you shouldn't be launching, you should have your eyes up, and you shouldn't be aiming at their head.
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September 2nd, 2016 at 3:30 PM ^
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:26 PM ^
I could be wrong since targeting is harder to decipher than NFL catch rules, but I thought the referees did have the ability to still enforce a 15 yard penalty on a reversed targeting penalty. I believe if they call unnecessary roughness with targeting the 15 yard penalty stands even if the ejection does not.
September 2nd, 2016 at 3:29 PM ^
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