Hoke a candidate for Oregon DC
January 7th, 2016 at 11:35 AM ^
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January 7th, 2016 at 11:37 AM ^
Yeah, because Brady Hoke was so terrible at coaching defense
January 7th, 2016 at 11:40 AM ^
He never coached the defense.
January 7th, 2016 at 11:41 AM ^
I'll bite! What DID he coach?
January 7th, 2016 at 12:00 PM ^
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January 7th, 2016 at 12:27 PM ^
Brady has the best clap at michigan award...
/Troll
January 7th, 2016 at 12:06 PM ^
January 7th, 2016 at 12:18 PM ^
Thumbs up!
January 7th, 2016 at 12:37 PM ^
January 7th, 2016 at 11:52 AM ^
4-5 years later im asking myself the same question
January 7th, 2016 at 12:36 PM ^
January 7th, 2016 at 1:22 PM ^
January 7th, 2016 at 1:25 PM ^
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January 8th, 2016 at 9:14 AM ^
Yes, ask Florida who assumed they had superior talent to Michigan.
Well the talent was superior. Except it was Michigan's talent.
And that talent was recruited by Brady Hoke.
January 7th, 2016 at 1:24 PM ^
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January 7th, 2016 at 2:41 PM ^
Leave Brady Alone!!!!!
January 10th, 2016 at 12:55 AM ^
unfairly scapegoated,
but this is just too good.
// PLEASE!! RIGHT NOW! I mean it!
< laughing at self >
January 7th, 2016 at 11:47 AM ^
Brady Hoke's primary focus has always been on defense (especially the defensive line/linebackers).
January 7th, 2016 at 11:52 AM ^
He really recruited some great linebackers at Michigan.
/s
January 7th, 2016 at 12:00 PM ^
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January 7th, 2016 at 1:47 PM ^
And Lewis and Peppers and Strib and Wilson and Hill...
January 7th, 2016 at 12:50 PM ^
January 7th, 2016 at 2:32 PM ^
He and several others I can think of just in the past week alone. I mean, I can be a dick, but these guys are flaming cockbags most of the time.
January 7th, 2016 at 12:01 PM ^
This is true, but the fact remains he never had responsbility for the defense. This is what I meant by "coached the defense", if it wasn't clear. He always had a coordinator.
January 7th, 2016 at 1:25 PM ^
January 7th, 2016 at 1:52 PM ^
January 7th, 2016 at 2:33 PM ^
"Not when he was our DL coach on a team that won a fucking national championship."
Of course. DL coaches don't have coordinators. They report to a coordinator.
And you can't take all credit for the defense's success away from him because he had a coordinator. Chip Kelly had an OC too, do we not give him any credit for Oregon's offense?
First, I haven't taken all the credit away from him. I'd give him a lot of credit for hiring Mattison. Second, the comparison here is a poor one: Kelly was an OC for 7 years at New Hampshire and 2 years at Oregon; Hoke was a DC never.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:58 PM ^
Hoke was a DC never.
Incorrect, his first stop was as a defensive coordinator. In addition to that, during several different seasons at Ball State (including the one where BSU started off 12-0) he called the defensive plays.
I'd give him a lot of credit for hiring Mattison.
You clearly haven't done much research on him. Did you know he coached for Harbaugh Sr. along side John and Mattison at Western? What about his stop as linebacker coach in Toledo?
Do some research before you make asinine claims
January 7th, 2016 at 3:28 PM ^
1) You're talking about his coaching in high school? No I didn't consider that. I wouldn't imagine many would. High school DC doesn't really come into a discussion re. Power 5 coaching jobs.
2) You're not refuting any point I'm making. I did not disparage any of his prior experience.
The claim I'm making is that he hasn't coached a defense as the defensive coordinator. This is true. Calling people asinine in a reasoned discussion makes you and your argument appear weak.
Hoke defenders as defensive as those who do the same for RR. I root for Hoke, I always will, just as I do for RR. I've met both. They gave everything they had. But they both failed, and I'm glad neither is coach at Michigan.
My pointing out that he has never been a DC (with the exception of Yorktown, Indiana High) does not mean I'm belittling the man. I'm stating a truth that's relevant to the topic of him taking over DC at Oregon. Your overreaction is an indication that you probably went all-in on Hoke, and having a difficult time accepting his failure. I did the former as well, but I'm long past the latter.
January 7th, 2016 at 6:23 PM ^
Your overreaction is an indication that you probably went all-in on Hoke,
100% fact.
and having a difficult time accepting his failure.
I have, at this pint, accepted his failure. Because of personal reasons, often I still take offense to those who would seek to disparage him. I have to bite my (figurative) tongue everytime I see Brian make a remark about Hoke's perceived lack of coaching ability. It is pretty easy for me to place the majority of the blame relating to Brady Hoke's failures as head coach at Michigan on Dave Brandon, and since my opinion matters not, I really don't think there's much downside.
Your initial comment was "He never coached the defense", which is absolutely incorrect. You have since changed your argument to better fit the reality, and I am okay with that.
Regarding whether or not he ever had the official title of "Defensive Coordinator", well, I can agree with you that he has not. But this is far and away from the inital statemnt of "He never coached the defense."
Anyways, I suggest we move on, I have been down the defending Brady Hoke path plenty of times, and regardless of whether I think he would have ultimately worked out here or not, the current result is a stellar defense, a lot of high quality (albeit somewhat raw) talent, and Jim Harbaugh as the head coach.
I want to add that I have always respected you as a poster, and am not looking to continue the back and forth, rather, I am interested in trying to explain where I am coming from.
January 8th, 2016 at 11:00 AM ^
I'd rather not have a negative back and forth as well, but a meaningful one is always appreciated. I don't think it's unreasonable to define DC as running the defense. I've perhaps naively assumed everyone has that same view. As an extreme example, RR was a head coach, apparently had almost no involvement with the Defense (except meddling/demaning 3-3-5). Would his head coaching experience qualify him for a Power 5 DC spot? I don't think so. By that logic, I'd say just by virtue of being a head coach, one is not qualified to be a DC.
Yes Hoke is different, he did an excellent job here on the DL and he has experience in various defensive positions over his career. But that's different than being a DC, and "coaching the defense", which gameplanning and playcalling.
Again I wasn't trying to disparage Hoke. He was my guy for a long time as well.
January 8th, 2016 at 12:08 PM ^
The equivalent of Rodriguez as defensive coordinator would be Hoke as offensive coordinator. Nobody thinks he's qualified for that job, including Hoke himself.
January 7th, 2016 at 3:05 PM ^
This is true, but the fact remains he never had responsbility for the defense.
As head coach, wasn't he responsible for the entire team? I don't understand how people can argue that he's qualified to be a head coach but not a defensive coordinator. Do you think he had no input in our defensive gameplans?
January 7th, 2016 at 11:59 AM ^
when you have to set the scheme for all the units. Maybe he can do it, I would be surprised if he was really good at it out of the gate. I don't remember him calling any particular alignment, always seemed to be completely Mattison's role.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^
People are missing an important point - most coordinators are promoted from the positional ranks. There aren't that many accomplished coordinators who want to make lateral moves. They go on to be head coaches.
By any reasonable standard, Hoke is qualified to take a DC job. Besides his positional duties, he likely was strongly involved in defensive gameplanning when he was a head coach.
January 7th, 2016 at 11:41 AM ^
Do you really think Harbaugh/Fisch/Drevno vs. Hoke would be a remotely fair fight?
January 7th, 2016 at 12:05 PM ^
People would be stunned. Michigan fans all over the Big House would be sitting wide-eyed with their head in their hands following the game.
January 7th, 2016 at 12:11 PM ^
I hate how right you are. I wouldn't say "hilarious", but that would be god-awful in a way that would make you laugh at the spiteful universe.
January 7th, 2016 at 12:18 PM ^
the same way we would react if aliens suddenly appeared.
January 7th, 2016 at 12:22 PM ^
January 7th, 2016 at 12:59 PM ^
TBH Oregon hiring Brady wouldn't be a good thing imo. Hoke can recruit his ass off especially on defense and Oregon could use a boost in recruiting.
January 7th, 2016 at 11:37 AM ^
Good thing they have dynamic offenses. The cultural fit between old school Hoke and Oregon is about as good as the RR hire at Michigan, though.
January 7th, 2016 at 11:41 AM ^
Didn't Hoke call the spread "basketball on grass"?
January 7th, 2016 at 11:42 AM ^
I believe that was Joe Tiller at Purdue.
January 7th, 2016 at 11:57 AM ^
When asked recently about the influence of Oregon’s offense, Hoke subtly revealed his disdain for the tactical shift Michigan experienced under Rodriguez. He is convinced that modern spread option offenses can be counterproductive to the core values of smashmouth football and are, therefore, to be avoided.
“Right, wrong or indifferent, when you’re zone blocking all the time -- when you’re playing basketball on grass -- you practice against that all spring, you practice against it all fall and then you’re going to play a two-back team that wants to knock you off the football,” Hoke said. “I don’t think you’re prepared."
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2011/jan/05/sdsus-hoke-fits-maize-and-blue-print/
January 7th, 2016 at 12:04 PM ^
Hope Mark Helfrich doesn't find that quote or know how to use Google.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:02 PM ^
Hoke actually visited Oregon's spring practice at Helfrich's invitation back in April, so he can plausibly claim that he's broadened his horizons and that his views have changed. But yeah, that quote certainly won't help him.
January 7th, 2016 at 1:50 PM ^