OT: Patriots fans raising funds to pay the Deflategate fine.

Submitted by wolverine1987 on

Ok, I am second to no one in my contempt of the punishment over deflategate, which is so overblown as an issue that it devalues the term overblown. And the crime itself is at best, a five MPH over the speed limit issue IMO. However, that does not mean it makes much sense for regular people to try to pay a fine levied on one of the world's richest men. Apparently Pats fans have raised 4k already on gofundme. I don't even agree with the title of this linked article, but do agree it makes little sense.

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/5/12/8592911/patriots-fans-raise-1-…

 

 

 

EastCoast Esq.

May 12th, 2015 at 3:41 PM ^

It gets worse...

http://national.suntimes.com/nfl/7/72/1103265/new-england-patriots-fans-protest-nfl-handcuffs

Even if you think the punishment is unjust, that is just ridiculous.

Handcuffing yourself is something that hipsters do to protest overseas working conditions, NOT something to do because the multi-billion dollar corporation you are rooting for got its wrists slapped.

EDIT: I should note that I have no problem with protesting in general....I just think it's idiotic in this instance.

justingoblue

May 12th, 2015 at 3:41 PM ^

According to JayBaugh's Twitter, one Pats fan got arrested at the protest. If charges are filed, part of his plea should include "can't ever lie about what you were protesting".

MichiganExile

May 12th, 2015 at 4:07 PM ^

A league that only cares about its fans insofar as what it can get out of them monetarily will happily take the money they raise and then increase ticket prices as an FU right back to them. All this kind of thing says to the NFL is "we the fans have more money than sense so please gouge us even more."

ndscott50

May 12th, 2015 at 4:02 PM ^

The number of Brady worshipers on here is annoying. I realize many of you are younger than me and have not had the opportunity to see much success lately.  That being said, turning Brady into model of Michigan success is kind of pathetic.  He was a slightly above average Michigan quarterback who was drafted in the sixth round.  Brady led us to a 3 loss season and a 2 loss season.  Between 1980 and 2007 Michigan had 18 season equal or better then what Brady generated. He is not the greatest Michigan quarterback ever.  He is the best former Michigan quarterback to play in the NFL. Good for him.

Being a Michigan fan does not require being a Tom Brady fan.  Many Michigan fans don’t like the Patriots, Belichick or really care for Tom Brady.  Personally I feel the guy comes across as a douche most of the time. Great pro quarterback but holding him up as a paragon of virtue is a bit much.

Also please note that attacks on Tom Brady have nothing to do with Michigan. They guy has been gone for 15 years. If you are a Patriots fan I can understand the rage.  Take your comments to a Patriot blog and rage on. From the Michigan fan perspective, who gives a crap?

Hopefully the upcoming Harbaugh seasons will allow many of you to get over your Brady infatuation. 

Moe

May 12th, 2015 at 4:07 PM ^

You can just not read any Brady threads.  It's your choice as well.  Dude, this is the biggest topic in sports right now, and there would be plenty of posts about it no matter what the team.  It so happens that Brady is involved.  

lilpenny1316

May 12th, 2015 at 4:28 PM ^

I like Brady a lot.  I think he got a raw deal by Lloyd his senior year.  But the man cheated and got caught.  Simple as that.  

If Peyton accused/suspended because of this, the reaction on this site would be a complete 180.  People may not say the NFL got it right, but there would be more jokes than ANGAR about injustice.       

sadeto

May 12th, 2015 at 5:08 PM ^

"Not true"?? You just indicated that what I said was true. He did not cooperate with the investigation, which requested access to both his cell phone records and emails related to the matter. He refused. A man of character who is innocent runs such emails, texts and phone logs by his lawyer and then turns them over, filtering out the stuff they don't need to see and he doesn't want them to see. He did not cooperate with the investigation and that is why they came down hard on him. 

Tom Brady and every other NFL player signed on, through the CBA, to the rules of the game, which basically allow Goodell to play little short pants dictator on behalf of the most powerful ownership group in sports. He's not resisiting out of principle, he's resisting because .... well, since he hasn't stated why he's not cooperating, I'll just jump to the conclusion that he's probably guilty of breaking the rules. 

And he's not alone - his owner refused to make available to the investigation the supposed "deflator". 

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Edit: by the way, I think Tom Brady is a fantastic football player. I haven't formed a judgement about him as a man because I really haven't been compelled to, he leads a rather stable life out of the news compared to some of his colleagues. But this incident and the way he has handled it has changed that. 

Moe

May 12th, 2015 at 5:12 PM ^

He refused to cooperate, which I took to mean that he didn't cooperate at all.  Honest mistake.  He didn't fully cooperate, and he has no obligation to turn over his private cell phone.  You are jumping to a lot of conclusions that because he respects his own privacy, that he's guilty.  I'd do the exact same thing in his shoes and I have absolutely nothing to hide on my cell phone.  

Erik_in_Dayton

May 12th, 2015 at 5:35 PM ^

...Wells at least said he asked Brady and his attorneys to pull only those texts/emails related to the investigation.  If true, there was no chance of Wells & Co. running into family photos, etc.  They would never have been in possession of Brady's phone. 

DomIngerson

May 12th, 2015 at 6:37 PM ^

I ran the following Ted Wells quote past my wife, an attorney who specializes in family law (divorces, custody, etc). “And I want to be crystal clear: I told Mr. Brady and his agents, I was willing not to take possession of the phone. I said, ‘I don’t want to see any private information.’ I said, ‘You keep the phone. You, the agent, Mr. Yee, you keep the phone, you give me the documents that are responsive to this investigation, and I will take your word that you have given me what’s responsive. And they still refused.” http://nesn.com/2015/05/ted-wells-i-would-have-taken-printouts-of-tom-b… After a moment of laughter my wife said "I have an extremely difficult time believing this. No way the investigator made that offer." Any MGoAttorneys want to chime in?

sadeto

May 12th, 2015 at 8:59 PM ^

The investigator made the offer in writing, it's out there and confirmed by Brady's agent. Your wife is a divorce attorney. 

The league's policy on preserving the integrity of the game states: 

Failure to cooperate in an investigation shall be considered conduct detrimental to the League and will subject the offending club and responsible individual(s) to appropriate discipline. 

Blue Baughs

May 12th, 2015 at 5:46 PM ^

And i believe this will be the issue that gets the suspension lifted.

The NFL with all its rules, does not have actual supeona power (or else they would have used it to get the phone). There is no clause that says you have to allow the NFL into your personal devices in order to collect incriminating evidence (if it exists) from you.

This entire case is based on circumstantial evidence and hear say, and the misbelief that Brady is  supposed to just hand over access to his personal life beyond his job to his employer for perusal.

 

sadeto

May 12th, 2015 at 8:53 PM ^

I didn't say the NFL had subpoena powers. I said they asked for his phone information related to the case, and he refused. So they came down hard on him. An innocent man doesn't refuse to at least run it through his attorney and offer something to the investigator, especially since he's not exactly making a stand on principle. He refused for the same reason Kraft refused to make one of his employees available to talk to the investigators. 

Blue Baughs

May 13th, 2015 at 11:06 AM ^

always refuse to just hand over their personal artifacts when being investigated. 

Only idiots hand over "evidence" to people investigatiing them for wrong doing, whether you are innocent or guilty. If the cops borught you in for questioning for a murder you had no part in, would you willingly answer their questions, or lawyer up first?

People get rail roaded for crimes they didnt commit all the time in this country.

The fact that you think anything less than absolute cooperation at all times proves your guilt is just an indication of how broke the justice system is in this country. Burden of proving guilt is on the accuser, not the accused.

 

lilpenny1316

May 12th, 2015 at 6:29 PM ^

that someone would doctor the balls without him knowing?  The bat boy or clubhouse staff would not scuff a baseball or put pine tar on it if the pitcher did not want it.  I didn't need the texts from the two guys they interviewed, and took text messages from, to know that was the case.  Like I said.  He got caught.  Move on.

DomIngerson

May 12th, 2015 at 6:43 PM ^

I absolutely believe he told them to take air out of the balls. Enough air to make them below the legal limit? Who knows? The NFL doesn't. What if they started rock hard at 15 psi and he wanted them down to 13 or 12.5? I can't believe this has turned into such a big story. The movie "Idiocracy" really is coming true. The stupid people are taking over.

AwlinBrutus

May 13th, 2015 at 7:37 AM ^

hence not a lot evidence. but its coming, because the equipment manager lost his job because of this. you know his book is right around the corner unless tom&gisele compenste him.

True Blue Grit

May 12th, 2015 at 4:40 PM ^

in which case I feel sorry for you.  I don't know any other explanation for your overly-harsh criticism of TB.  I don't think anyone here believes he's perfect either.  Maybe you're taking the Brady-loving comments too seriously too.  In any case, many people on this blog really do want to see ex-Michigan athletes do well.  Evidently, you don't. 

MGJS SuperKick Party

May 12th, 2015 at 4:59 PM ^

Woah man. Maybe he just doesn't care for Tom Brady. It's great how he's done so well in the NFL, it helps with recruiting and things for Michigan.

I personally don't care for him. He had a strong dislike for Lloyd Carr (justifiably so), so he didn't seem to support the program for the longest time. He left his pregnant actress girlfriend for a supermodel. He is a winner, but he's extremely smug. Now this. Plus the Patriots win all the time, so that doesn't help any.

I can't take anything away from him on the field; he's the best quarterback of all time.

I'm a Lions fan, so everyone already feels bad for me.



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Ronnie Kaye

May 12th, 2015 at 5:51 PM ^

I think you're mistaken. There was never any reported beef with Carr and he was on the sideline for the Rose Bowl vs. Texas when the Patriots had a first round bye. What exactly were you looking for in terms of program support that he didn't give you?

MichiganMAN47

May 12th, 2015 at 8:40 PM ^

Tom had no beef with Carr. Fans had a beef with Carr after the fact for sitting the greatest QB of all time in favor of Henson, a wash out. Brady was quite grateful for the opportunity Carr gave him, and Carr acknowledges that Brady had a lot of adversity at Michigan.

ndscott50

May 12th, 2015 at 5:20 PM ^

An above average Michigan quarterback, greatest former Michigan QB to play in the NFL who is also kind of a douche? You have a low standard for overly harsh. Also not having blind loyalty to Tom Brady and not being a fan of his team does not mean I don't wish former Michigan athletes well.


Not a Jets fan. Are you a Patriots fan?

wolverine1987

May 12th, 2015 at 5:20 PM ^

Even if Brady admitted this and pled guilty, and even of this was any other QB in the NFL, I would say excatly the same thing. This is a seriously minor nothing rule breaking akin to jaywalking, and part of a centuries long tradition of trying to get an edge in sports. This offense is nothing, and in fact way less than things like corking a bat or throwing a spitter or stealing a sign in baseball. And when those things happen in baseball, they fine them and move on. they don't call out the morality police to agonize over "the children."

justingoblue

May 12th, 2015 at 5:25 PM ^

The hockey equivalent is a two minute minor, which teams are discouraged from trying to challenge because they're penalized if they're wrong.

I don't get why there's a range in the first place. If Brady wants to throw a ball resembling an overcooked steak and Rodgers wants the seams busting, who cares?

UMfanUConnalum

May 12th, 2015 at 4:06 PM ^

The fan protest at the NFL HQ was done by a humor website BarstoolSports.com. David Portnoy the owner of the site and leader of that protest is actually a Michigan Grad.

UofM626

May 12th, 2015 at 4:32 PM ^

In a world were rules are supposed to be rules. I'm sick of NE and honestly starting to get sick of Brady and the talk. He obviously knew more then what he is leading in too. He was cocky and didn't want to cooperate w the investigation at all, he wouldn't let them see his phone etc: dude is guilty and I feel for the kids that had to do the deflating and obviously will or have been fired even though they were doing what they were told to do.

StephenRKass

May 12th, 2015 at 4:50 PM ^

Really makes me wonder what they're thinking . . . I mean, I love sports too much. Follow too many games. But I've got limits. I guess this is where fans are really "fanatics." It makes me think of the crazies in Columbus who dress up with red and silver paint and garlands of buckeyes and jerseys and all. I know Michigan has some of these guys too. But somehow, once you're past 30 or 40 or 50, it seems crazy to do some of this stuff. Including donating to pay the fine. To each his own.