Michigan/NCAA officially gave Harbaugh Credit for Wins Over PSU, MD, and OSU
I was wondering who the official coach of record was for the last three games of the regular season. NCAA rules state that unless the NCAA handed down the suspension it is up to the school to designate who receives credit for the win or loss.
HEAD COACH DETERMINATION
For a coach to be credited with wins, losses or ties, that individual must be designated as the institution’s head coach or interim head coach Individuals serving on an advisory or preseason basis may not be credited with the wins, losses or ties If the head coach is not present at a contest due to illness or other unexpected circumstances, or otherwise is unable to complete the sport season, it is the responsibility of the institution to determine, preferably before the contest, whether the win, loss or tie for that contest shall be credited to the head coach or to an interim or assistant coach. If the decision is made after the season is over, consider if the new coach influenced the team enough to make a difference in how the team performed (such as style of play). If a coach is no longer employed by the institution as the head coach, that coach can no longer be credited with further wins or losses after the day the relationship was terminated.SUSPENDED COACH
If a head coach is suspended for a game or more by the school or conference, the coach is still eligible to receive the wins or losses during the absence, but some institutions have chosen to give the record to the interim coach If a head coach is suspended by the Committee on Infractions and/or Independent Accountability Resolution Process, the coach will not receive credit for the wins or losses; those decisions will go toward the interim coach’s record Other unique circumstances will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis (Updated 5/1/2014)
The first three games were credited to the acting head coaches; Minter, Hart, Jay Harbaugh, and Moore. However the last three games were credited to Harbaugh.
Harbaugh is 12-0 for 2023-2024: https://stats.ncaa.org/people/25070?sport_code=MFB
Moore is 1-0 for 2023-2024: https://stats.ncaa.org/people/2907494?sport_code=MFB
Penn State is Full of Shit
I also discovered that Penn State is full of shit; they somehow found a way to squeeze in more than 1000-2000 people in Beaver Stadium this season, resulting in the three largest crowds of the year.
As an example, 108,433 people attended the Ohio State game in 2022, and 110,747 were present for the West Virginia game this year, marking the third-highest attendance. Michigan at PSU was the highest at 110,856. Iowa at PSU was third. Ohio State at Michigan ranked fourth with 110,615.
This multi-year project is financed and paid for entirely by Intercollegiate Athletics, using no tuition dollars or educational budget.
Their $700,000,000 renovations (reconstruction) began at the end of this season, and according to some reports, they are removing seats and could be around 103,000. The price tag is almost three times the amount Michigan spent on the 2010 renovations.
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:11 PM ^
I don't know that I'd be throwing "full of shit" stones at Penn State over their attendance. We're pretty well known for pulling shenanigans in that department too.
At the end of the day, everybody knows we have the biggest stadium.
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:14 PM ^
Yeah, pretty sure attendance is just number of tickets sold plus number of non-ticketed attendees (staff, police, media, players, coaches, band, cheerleaders, pregnant people count as two etc.)
February 3rd, 2024 at 5:28 PM ^
The problem I have with our announced attendance is that it's a flat out lie. They announce it as the "largest number of people watching a game anywhere in America". And the actual attendance is as you described it. For most games, it's many thousands less than the actual number of people sitting in the stadium.
February 3rd, 2024 at 5:57 PM ^
Brady Hoke’s last home game. No way were we over 100,000 but they announced 100K anyways.
February 3rd, 2024 at 7:14 PM ^
And yet for some they've understated how many people were actually there.
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:17 PM ^
Attendance reporting has always been a mix of art and science.
I know someone in the PSU SID --- he admits, for the big games, they go out of their way to count everybody as part of the attendance. Everyone in the press, all the recruits, the extra police officers, the police horses ...... well, maybe not the latter, but you get the idea.
February 3rd, 2024 at 5:19 PM ^
Sure they do! count the legs, and divide by 2
February 3rd, 2024 at 6:11 PM ^
There are probably a lot of centipedes running around the bowels of the stadium.
Tonight's attedance: 976,324!
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:42 PM ^
The only gray area Michigan is willing to get into -- attendance tampering. What an advantage that gives our team.
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:46 PM ^
Michigan has The Big House. Penn State has the Big Erector Set.
February 3rd, 2024 at 6:30 PM ^
Be that as it may, we need to add a deck on one side for another 5000 seats, so there is no question.
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:12 PM ^
That's fine with me. Sherrone will get his own "official" wins over those schools soon enough.
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:15 PM ^
I'd rather give them to both Harbaugh and Sherrone. That way bitch boy Ryan has a losing record against 2 of our coaches
February 3rd, 2024 at 6:02 PM ^
You can't. It either goes the suspended coach or to the interim coach. Not both. The school chooses. We gave the non-conference wins to the assistants and the Penn State-Ohio State stretch to Harbaugh.
And no offense to OP, but this has already been discussed multiple times:
February 3rd, 2024 at 6:10 PM ^
Sorry, missed that.
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:17 PM ^
'Penn St is Full of Shit'
Moar brown skidmarks showing up on Penn State's whiteouts?
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:19 PM ^
I will give Harbaugh credit for the wins whenever someone is criticizing Harbaugh, and will give Moore credit whenever someone is criticizing Moore.
I like having my cake and eating it too.
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:25 PM ^
This is the way
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:28 PM ^
Consider the fact our 100,000 streak is still alive when I attend games in the RR, BH eras that there were 75k max we should probably let that slide.
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:49 PM ^
Yeah, M has some professors who forwarded the art of "fuzzy math." It definitely forwarded the science behind current search engines, but let's not be too critical of others. I've been to a few games where actual people in the stadium didn't exactly match announced attendance.
February 3rd, 2024 at 5:18 PM ^
Those of us who survived the 1995 Purdue “ice-rain” bowl know the truth.
February 3rd, 2024 at 5:45 PM ^
"Those of us who survived the 1995 Purdue “ice-rain” bowl know the truth."
Yep! I was there. I have been negbanged for saying this, with photos of the lower bowl providing supposed evidence to the contrary. But, no, we did not reach 100k that day.
February 3rd, 2024 at 9:16 PM ^
Concur, there is absolutely no way that number survived Purdue 1995.
February 3rd, 2024 at 7:56 PM ^
Only game I have ever left early (let’s call “early” a game where the lead is less than 30 points)
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:43 PM ^
"Doesn't matter! All wins will be vacated for the last three years!" -- every commenter on 11W and RCMB
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:44 PM ^
The last time prior to this season that we DIDN'T have the highest capacity, ironically, was 1997.
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:59 PM ^
It sounds like Michigan doesn’t draw well during National Championship seasons.
Perhaps attendance will be down the next few years too…. It would be a trend I’d be ok with…
February 3rd, 2024 at 4:49 PM ^
Nice to see the NCAA going the opposite direction of the pitchfork crowd on MSU and OSU boards screaming for our championship and wins to be vacated. I loved when the NCAA talking head said that we won, "fair and square".
Now, Warde, let's compensate players to the extent we are able to under current NIL rules so that we can compete for the best high school and portal talent out there.
February 3rd, 2024 at 5:39 PM ^
I like that there was a huge crowd of PSU fans in the building to see their team get beat on 8 pass attempts.
February 3rd, 2024 at 5:40 PM ^
$700m is an incredible price tag. Maybe PSU can afford someone with aesthetic sense for this project because their current stadium is a dreadful erector set.
February 3rd, 2024 at 6:15 PM ^
they should go to our new HC Sherrone
February 3rd, 2024 at 6:47 PM ^
Michigan has announced over 100,000 every game forever when there's no way that's accurate several times. Glass houses, man.
February 3rd, 2024 at 9:14 PM ^
We're also still claiming 350+ STRAIGHT games with crowds over 100,000 like 2020 didn't happen, which mean, I get it, but at least contextualize it.
February 3rd, 2024 at 10:22 PM ^
These wins belong to Moore not Harbaugh. Its complete b.s.
February 3rd, 2024 at 10:41 PM ^
As many have commented - this whole chasing of attendance numbers is not worth it. Many of you were at the 2017 Michigan Minnesota game (Nov. 4, 2017) - due to rain and lightning, the start was delayed. Kickoff ended up being at 8:31 PM and the end officially ended at 11:39 PM. In our section there were only 5 people who stayed through the rain, wind and cold. Yet, the official attendance was 111,090. When that was announced, it was met with a chuckle by those of us still there.
The $700 million renovations is long overdue. The jury rigged seating (with exposed scalfold like supports ) where the visitors are dumped are frankly rickety. Bill Martin may not have been a great athletic director when it came to coach hiring, but he knows the construction business. The Michigan Stadium renovations were carried out despite being in use, and looks nearly seamless joining the original 1920s and modern sections together.
Consider Purdue only added air conditioning to Ross-Ade Stadium for the 2018 season.
February 4th, 2024 at 6:34 PM ^
Oh thank god!! I was sooo worried they wouldn’t approve. 🤮🤮🤮