November 30th, 2021 at 10:03 PM ^
Of course I meant Ohio State in the subject and I don't know how to edit that.
November 30th, 2021 at 10:29 PM ^
Brady Hoke approves of your subject line.
December 1st, 2021 at 12:21 AM ^
Fergodsakes
November 30th, 2021 at 10:05 PM ^
Ha ha ha ha. Wonderful. They should just declare their whole team as All B1G. They can shine their trophy at home this weekend while they watch us kick Iowa's Ass with our stars.
November 30th, 2021 at 10:07 PM ^
Looked real good on Saturday!
November 30th, 2021 at 10:09 PM ^
In all seriousness though, there is a lot of confirmation bias in these picks. I think if Dax Hill is not a five star recruit that there is no way he makes it to first-team all-big ten. I'm not saying that he didn't have a good year, just that it wasn't flashy. Like I think Hawkins was equally as deserving as a spot on the first or second team.
November 30th, 2021 at 10:21 PM ^
And Rashan Gary had a better soph season but got more accolades during his not-that-great JR year. At least they found a way to get Dax near the ball this year.
It's all good since Aiden is BIG10 D POY !!!!!!!!! (as he should be but was worried someone from PSU would slip in).
November 30th, 2021 at 10:36 PM ^
Hawkins has been able to do his job well because Macdonald puts him in a position to succeed, unlike Don Brown who would put him 1 on 1 with guys way faster than him. Macdonald gives Dax Hill extremely difficult assignments that allow Hawkins to do what Mattison had Jarrod Wilson do.
Hawkins definitely deserves respect and appreciation from all Michigan fans, but he's not one of the best safeties in the conference. Dax Hill is one of the best DBs in the nation. He dissuades teams from running those annoying WR screens, he covers slot jitterbugs and big TEs, and then he's responsible for preventing any runs to the outside. I would call him a Swiss Army Knife player but that's not really fair because a Swiss Army Knife performs many actions but is mediocre at all of them. Dax Hill performs many actions and is stellar at all of them.
Dax Hill may not have had a "flashy" year, but I guarantee that for every Ojabo and Hutchinson sack you could look at what Hill was doing and see why that QB had to hang on to the football for a second too long. We owe a lot of our success this year to Dax Hill.
November 30th, 2021 at 11:08 PM ^
Hawkins was good before this year, so I wouldn't credit MacDonald with all his success. I would say he was definitely one of the best safeties in the conference. I think he should definitely be honorable mention. I would say he's just as good as a guy like Xavier Henderson.
December 1st, 2021 at 9:02 AM ^
This is kind of like how OSU fans bitched in 2016 that Peppers shouldn't have been a Heisman finalist "bEcaUsE hE oNlY hAd OnE iNteRcEpTiOn!!1!" while ignoring that he was the lynchpin of that defense because he shut off edge stuff (like Hill does), while setting the edge on running plays AND terrorizing the QB on blitzes, not to mention his special teams acumen.
December 1st, 2021 at 12:25 PM ^
There's a reason Dax Hill is getting mocked in the first round everywhere, and it's not because he was a 5 star in high school...
November 30th, 2021 at 10:09 PM ^
It is really quite simple-learned this well over 50 years ago as a high school player. The "media" doesn't know shit about the games we play.
November 30th, 2021 at 10:12 PM ^
That I believe.
My theory is that the media looks at statistics and given the giant blowouts their backups got a lot of time to rack up stats.
November 30th, 2021 at 10:12 PM ^
Outsidethebox could have easily left off the last 5 words in the second sentence...
November 30th, 2021 at 10:11 PM ^
Media just had to reward their outstanding performance in Michigan Stadium
Seriously, this just goes to show how much the "media" really knows
November 30th, 2021 at 10:20 PM ^
Just a look at the weekly AP poll ballots and you can see how absolutely dumb or spiteful some of the media voters are. Good thing we have the coaches poll... oh wait, that's full of bias/ignorance too. At least we have the CFP committee...
November 30th, 2021 at 10:13 PM ^
Thanks for providing a list/link.
https://bigten.org/documents/2021/11/30//2021_Big_Ten_Football_Honors_Part_1.pdf?id=7362
November 30th, 2021 at 10:39 PM ^
Sorry. I completely forgot! Thanks for adding the link.
December 1st, 2021 at 9:50 AM ^
Thanks for this. Looking at the list, it's not quite as bad as OP makes it out to be.
1st team: Haskell Garrett (DT)
2nd team: Zach Harrison (DE)
3rd team: Tyreke Smith (DE), Ronnie Hickman (S)
The other 9 (which is, admittedly, a very large number) are all HM.
Then again, I don't know what the criteria are to be considered HM. Maybe if you get 2 votes, you're HM.
Wisconsin has 11 (8 HM), PSU has 10 (7 HM), Iowa has 8 (3 HM), Michigan has 9 (3 HM).
And I didn't feel like counting the rest.
November 30th, 2021 at 10:13 PM ^
That is ridiculous.
November 30th, 2021 at 10:17 PM ^
and they all have maize and blue cleat marks all over their bodies.
bwahahaha, go blue!
November 30th, 2021 at 10:19 PM ^
Call it the "Bucky Dent" effect - for those not familiar with that name, Dent was a slick fielding but so-so hitting SS (under .250 lifetime average) for the late 1970s-early 1980s Yankees, when they were WS champs in 77/78 and lost WS in 81. Bucky had ONE big hit in his life (3 run HR down 2-0 vs. Boston in one-game playoff for AL East title in 78, see "Bucky F-ing Dent" on Youtube).
Dent would get hundreds of 1000s of votes from Yankee fans and started AS games, even while players with FAR better resumes (including two HOFs Alan Trammell and Robin Yount) couldn't get voted in and had to be added to the roster.
"The" OSU certainly has talent but has guys running the D who remind me of the dark ages of GERG.
November 30th, 2021 at 10:30 PM ^
you mean like don larsen getting HOF votes because of one great game?
November 30th, 2021 at 10:22 PM ^
Here's the data:
November 30th, 2021 at 10:43 PM ^
I'm 100% cool with Wisconsin having a lot; their defense is great.
Dax Hill surprised me. Don't get me wrong, he's very good but I didn't think he was awesome.
November 30th, 2021 at 10:51 PM ^
Legit question for you and the above poster: what about his play do you think doesn't equate to an 'awesome' level?
November 30th, 2021 at 10:59 PM ^
But that’s why the Conference coaches voted him 1st team B1G cause they see in person week in and week out what he does for the Michigan defense. He is literally negated the oppositions best receiver.
December 1st, 2021 at 12:37 AM ^
The media poll is actually saying that Michigan has THE MOST 1st - 3rd Team All Big Ten Players.
The Media voted for a lot more "All Big Ten" Defensive players than the Coaches as it has included a lot more Honorable Mentions. So for instance in the Media Vote, Ohio State has the highest number of players, but 9/13 are honorable mentions... That leaves four 1st - 3rd Team Players. Michigan has 3/9 players listed as HMs... meaning that they have six 1st - 3rd Team Players.
December 1st, 2021 at 9:25 AM ^
Thanks for details, title of this thread is inaccurate based on my interpretation, I don't consider Honorable mention to be all conference, I'd count only 1st, 2nd and 3rd. I consider Honorable Mention is still a... Honor, but essentially saying you didn't make all conference but you played great and think you deserve some recognition.
December 1st, 2021 at 9:52 AM ^
Anyone know how many votes it requires to be considered HM? Is it 1 vote? 2 votes? And how many media voters are there?
If it's just 1 vote, not a surprise that there are so many HMs for Wisco, PSU, and osu.
November 30th, 2021 at 10:26 PM ^
If you do any weighting here and counting first team more than second, etc., it’s Michigan and Iowa with the “best” defenses. Which is … correct.
November 30th, 2021 at 10:26 PM ^
Insert crying laughing emoji here.
November 30th, 2021 at 10:35 PM ^
Surprise, surprise. They looked great last Saturday.
〽️Go Blue〽️
November 30th, 2021 at 10:43 PM ^
Doesn't "honorable mention" just mean that someone voted for you, even if it's a single vote?
There is probably some Buckeye homer writer in Ohio who votes for 11 OSU players. "Gotta support the team."
November 30th, 2021 at 10:45 PM ^
I think so. That's why I made sure to specify including honorable mentions. Literally half of the Big Ten defenders are represented on that list.
November 30th, 2021 at 10:49 PM ^
I have 42 reasons to disagree.
December 1st, 2021 at 6:45 AM ^
Hassan Haskins has even more reasons
November 30th, 2021 at 10:56 PM ^
9 HMs?
Right, so if a team has 13 recruits but 9 of them are 2 stars, that's better than the team with 9 recruits where six are 3/4/5 stars?
November 30th, 2021 at 11:34 PM ^
Then Michigan must have 18 All-BigTen offensive players.
November 30th, 2021 at 11:40 PM ^
Ohio State can go fuck themselves. We saw their all B1G defense. Soft is the only word I would use to describe the lot of them
December 1st, 2021 at 2:42 AM ^
Looks like OSU has 4 guys , total on the list of 1st,2nd and 3rd teams ...not sure where you see 13
https://bigten.org/documents/2021/11/30//2021_Big_Ten_Football_Honors_P…
December 1st, 2021 at 3:10 AM ^
So, all their starters and 2 reserves?
December 1st, 2021 at 5:19 AM ^
Hassan Haskins sure had a positive experience with them. :D
December 1st, 2021 at 5:40 AM ^
Dude, Shaun Wade was DB of the year in the B1G and was a 1st team all American last year. He. Was. Terrible last year. It’s so laughable that they see OSU and give them a spot. Banks and Shaw were awful this year and somehow got a spot. It’s a sham. Media knows nothing.
December 1st, 2021 at 8:00 AM ^
Go Blue! Beat Iowa!
December 1st, 2021 at 8:01 AM ^
Is it just me?
I really can't recall the names of any of ohio's defensive players or their defensive coordinator.
December 1st, 2021 at 8:37 AM ^
The only one I remember is #17, he kept getting run over by Hasking after about 15 yards. He must have had 20 tackles (Haskins tripping has he ran over him).
December 1st, 2021 at 8:05 AM ^
After last Saturday, I’d call that ironic.
December 1st, 2021 at 9:37 AM ^
I believe the number is actually only four. I wouldn't count the 9 Honorable Mentions in the total.
December 1st, 2021 at 10:28 AM ^
Michigan hung 42 on em