Not what you want [Bryan Fuller]

Michigan 33, Michigan State 37 Comment Count

Alex.Drain October 30th, 2021 at 5:32 PM

[NOTE: This article has been updated to reflect news that Cade McNamara was in the injury tent and was thus unavailable when the second JJ McCarthy fumble occurred]

Many reading this game recap are from the state of Michigan. Many of those from the state of Michigan are fans of the Detroit Lions. Others are too ashamed to describe themselves as fans of the Detroit Lions, but at least are cognizant of the Lions and the familiar arc that their games unfold in. Your author is perhaps one of the most diehard Lions fans you’ll ever meet, and to him, this outcome is all too familiar. Boneheaded mistakes from players and poor coaching decisions let a winnable game slip through the jaws of victory and into the chasm of defeat on Saturday afternoon, all of which was accentuated by (at times) bafflingly one-sided calls from the officiating crews. The Michigan Wolverines were the Detroit Lions today, and in the process, they dropped a game in East Lansing to rival Michigan State 37-33.

The contest got off to a promising start. Michigan held MSU off the scoreboard on the opening possession and then a 93-yard catch and run by Andrel Anthony put Michigan up 7-0. Two more failed Spartan possessions later, the latter of which ended on a Mike Morris INT, and Michigan found themselves at the 35-yard-line. The Wolverines drove into the Red Zone but stalled out in part due to a holding penalty on Cornelius Johnson. A Jake Moody FG put Michigan up 10-0.

MSU answered in a hurry, marching down the field and Kenneth Walker III ripped a 27-yard TD run on a clever cutback. Michigan answered but again saw a long drive stall at the 22, and Jake Moody threaded another FG through the uprights to make it 13-7. In the blink of an eye, Michigan State came right back. A brilliant call on 4th & 1 at midfield saw Michigan bite hard on play-action and Jalen Nailor hauled in a forty-yard passing play. The Wolverines, who seemed as confused as a bear trying to be taught English when it came to the concept of up-tempo football, attempted to substitute their DT’s while MSU substituted no one, allowing the Spartans to get a play off before Michigan was set and Walker cashed it in to give MSU their first lead, 14-13.

Michigan’s answer over the final 7.5 minutes of the first half was terrific. They scored a TD on an incredible Andrel Anthony jump ball reception, saw a David Ojabo strip sack end an MSU drive, and then a two-minute drill got Moody in position for a 35-yard FG to make it 23-14 Michigan at the break.

The second half’s first 10 minutes continued to go Michigan’s way. Though their first possession stalled on a bad false start penalty, followed by a botched punt, they got off the field on defense, and then saw Cade McNamara, who was in a groove, hit Mike Sainristil for a TD, 30-14 Michigan.

The Spartans responded with a long drive that faced 4th & 5 from the 30, potentially with the game on the line. Payton Thorne delivered the best throw made by anyone all game, a dime into the hands of Jayden Reed, over the outstretched Daxton Hill, down to the one. Walker punched it in, and a catch by Mosley got MSU the two, 30-22.

The flurry continued after the worst Michigan drive of the game, and then the Spartans again marched down the field, converting a pair of 3rd downs and then seeing Walker get loose for a 57-yard run off an up-tempo play. A picture-perfect jump ball to Jayden Reed over DJ Turner, who provided good coverage, brought MSU all the way back and tied it at 30.

Michigan came back with a bomb to Mike Sainristil, but the drive ran into trouble after a JJ McCarthy fumble rolled out of bounds and set Michigan back behind the sticks. Moody’s 36-yard FG made it 33-30 Wolverines. MSU’s next drive was a disaster for the Spartans, as a pair of sacks from Aidan Hutchinson and David Ojabo forced a quick punt, and a good return from Henning got the ball to the 45. Michigan had the ball up 3 with 7:12 to go and good field position, potentially a TD away from putting the game in a stranglehold.

That’s when the van hit a pothole, careened off the road, and went over the cliff.

The opening play of the drive, a JJ McCarthy zone read, which had already produced a fumble on the last time it was used, produced another one. This time, the Spartans snagged it, giving them great field position. A quick holding call seemed to give Michigan a window to stop the momentum, but a devastating offsides on Mike Morris before a huge 3rd & 9 made the down and distance more manageable. A Walker wildcat converted. Another incomprehensible illegal substitution penalty later and Walker scampered 23 yards for a TD. 37-33, Spartans.

Michigan wasn’t technically dead yet, as there were a full 5 minutes remaining in the contest. The next drive did not go well for Cornelius Johnson, dropping a possible 30-yard pass and then dropping another after he failed to run a route past the sticks. Michigan dialed up a ballsy 4th & 4 play on their own 32-yard line, without much reason to believe they needed to go for it, and McNamara dropped a dime in to Sainristil.

From there Michigan marched down the field, setting up a 3rd & 3 with 1:52 left. McNamara targeted an open Sainristil but just missed him down the sideline, a puzzling decision given the ease to which Michigan was converting throws underneath. The 4th down pass was incomplete to Johnson on a controversial no-call (more on that later) and Michigan turned it over.

Again, the Wolverines were not dead. They stuffed Kenneth Walker and Payton Thorne’s rushing attempts three times, used all three time outs, and got the ball back on their own 33 with 75 seconds left. A quick roughing the passer moved the ball out close to midfield, and that’s when McNamara forced a ball into Schoonmaker, and an unbelievable one-handed grab by Charles Brantley intercepted it and ended the game. 

[AFTER THE JUMP: Mulling over a spear to the heart]

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There are a lot of things to say about a game of this nature. Michigan led by 16 with 21.5 minutes to go, but it’s also incorrect to say that Michigan definitely had it in the bag at that point. Michigan State’s big play offense always left the window open to a charging comeback. Michigan’s problem was doing too many things to help open that window further. A drop on a potential huge play by Blake Corum early on and failing to score a TD on their first red zone trip stand out in the memory. So does the Schoonmaker false start on what was going to be an easy 4th & 1 conversion early in the second half.

The bigger mistakes came much later. The 4th & 5 completion to Reed was backbreaking, but there also wasn’t much Michigan could do about that. A perfect pitch and a perfect catch by two important players. Far more important was the consecutive McCarthy fumbles. The use of the package made little sense in this game to begin with, given the way MSU had keyed in to stop the run and the way McNamara was dissecting the Spartan pass defense with ease. The decision to take your best offensive player off the field when you enter the red zone felt like Galaxy Brain-ing it, and though Michigan got saved by the first fumble going out of bounds, it set them behind the sticks and stalled a drive that was moving with ease when McNamara was in the game.

And then the second fumble was devastating. We have since learned that McCarthy had to be in the game due to McNamara dealing with an injury, but the fumble didn't make any one feel better. Still, we cannot be too tough on McCarthy, and Michigan fans would be best served online by letting the young QB know they support him, rather than berating him. Just ask a Toronto Maple Leafs fan how abusing a player on social media after a crucial mistake has affected the psyche of said player.

The fumble was most consequential, but mistakes kept coming in the second half and most players on the field were to blame for something. Cornelius Johnson’s poor performance in this game (multiple drops and a holding) hurt, as did the Morris offsides. For the record, my blame game money is most on the coaches, not just for using the McCarthy package, but for the disaster that was Michigan’s defensive substitutions. At this point, we might as well accept that Jim Harbaugh’s defense will never be able to properly adjust to an opponent going up tempo, much the way that your author accepted at age 13 that he would never be 6’0” tall.

Tempo has been a problem every year of the Harbaugh era, and this was just the most putrid example. Being unable to keep up with the opponent’s pace of play, when it was clearly on film, is terrible coaching. Yet continuing to try and sneak substitutions on, when all it is producing is confused linemen and three illegal substitution penalties, is unforgivable. Michigan needed to make a decision early about either ceasing to substitute when the Spartans weren’t (which was the correct answer) or deciding to take a timeout every time they were caught with too many men. But letting your players not get set up before they have to face Kenneth F***ing Walker III is coaching malpractice 101.

Of course, no Detroit Lions Special is complete without at least a couple devastating refereeing gaffes, and it is simply impossible to discuss this game without talking about the officiating. Though your author was once the sort of “whine about refereeing all the time” fan when he was in his teens, he has since aged into a calmer and fairer observer, and friends and family can attest to that. Perhaps a summer attempting to umpire middle school baseball has given me appreciation for just how difficult the job is. I acknowledge that trying to referee football in the modern day, when the players move at lightning speed and the rule book is more difficult to understand than a late-career Stanley Kubrick film, is nearly impossible. We shouldn’t hope for 100% accuracy, but the expectation should be for a roughly balanced game that gets most all of the obvious stuff right.

You need not be a Michigan partisan (in this case, my uncle who attended neither school, rarely watches college football, and lives in Iowa) to deem that the aforementioned expectation is not what happened in this game. Several hugely crucial calls went against the Wolverines that added significant win probability to the Spartans. The first was a strip sack fumble on Thorne when the game was 20-14 by David Ojabo, which was recovered in the end zone for a TD. Referees inexplicably overturned the call on the field and ruled Thorne down, taking points off the board and ultimately representing a four-point swing as Michigan got only a FG on the subsequent drive.

My informal survey of Twitter (probably 50% Michigan fans, 20% MSU fans, and 30% neutral) was something like 80% for “leave the call on the field” and 20% “OVERTURN.” I think you could make a case there wasn't indisputable evidence to overturn the call if Thorne was ruled down on the field. But he wasn't; the call on the field was the same call that was most apparent on review, and there is no argument that I’m willing to consider legitimate that there was indisputable evidence that his shin went down before the ball came out.

The second most crucial was on Michigan’s turnover on downs on the second to last drive, when a 4th & 3 slant saw Johnson get sandwiched by a pair of MSU defenders before the ball was there, one of the more obvious DPIs you will ever see, but no flag came. If assessed, Michigan would’ve had a fresh set of downs inside the MSU 30 to win the game. Game-altering.

Other fans will cry for Michigan to have gotten more holding calls, and there’s no question that there probably should have been. I am slightly less sympathetic to that argument overall because the fact is, this is college football: elite pass rushers like Aidan Hutchinson get held on nearly every play but the flag comes 1 out of every 10 times, because the game would be unwatchable if you refereed it correctly. Much the same way that Connor McDavid could draw 15 penalties per game in the NHL, but he gets maybe 1-2 calls, because the game would be so lopsided and hard to watch if it were called correctly. This same phenomenon happened three years ago with Rashan Gary. Sure, there probably should’ve been an extra flag or two even using CFB ref standards, but if you were hoping for 5-8 extra holding calls, it was never going to happen, because the NCAA has collectively decided that the referees are the mechanism with which to level the playing field between elite pass rushers and leaky linemen.

The referees decided the game, in the sense that if you flip those two calls, Michigan wins. On the other hand, if Michigan simply played as crisp, error-free, and dynamic as MSU did in the final 21.5 minutes, they would’ve won going away, referees notwithstanding. Some Wolverines did play impeccably: I thought coverage was uniformly very good, Andrel Anthony was a stud, and Cade McNamara had the game of his life, but too often MSU’s players made plays and Michigan’s didn’t.

Reed, Thorne, and Walker all were money for the Spartans in the game’s final 21.5 minutes, while Michigan turned it over twice, saw a potential interception glance off the hands of RJ Moten, in addition to the litany of other errors and coaching mishaps I have outlined. I said in FFFF that Michigan State beat Miami, Nebraska, and Indiana by letting the opponent beat themselves. Michigan beat themselves and will join that list.

Michigan fans believed after Nebraska that this year would be different, that if when matched with a reasonably similar team, the Wolverines could find the killer instinct and pull it out. That belief crumbled like a house of cards in the wind over about an hour of real time this afternoon, and again here we are to pick up the pieces of a “shoulda won” game, just like 2016 Iowa/OSU, 2017 MSU/OSU, 2018 ND, and 2019 PSU before us. It’s hard to believe at this juncture that it’s ever going to change. The Jim Harbaugh era has not been nearly as inept as the 60-year arc of the Detroit Lions, but in the aftermath of these kinds of finishes, it’s often impossible to tell which football team from the state of Michigan is on the field.

The Wolverines have dropped their second straight to MSU and fall to 7-1 on the season. They will host Indiana next week. A time for that game is still pending.

Comments

MGlobules

October 30th, 2021 at 5:43 PM ^

I don't see M as the Loins. Not the same brand of legendary ineptitude. It's not like we got off at the wrong stop in purgatory. This was definitely our own appropriately designated place in hell. 

stephenrjking

October 30th, 2021 at 5:45 PM ^

This is a gut-punch loss.

It’s a gut-punch loss because it’s against Michigan State. It’s a gut-punch loss because many elements of Michigan’s team played excellent football, with several players putting up career games. It’s a gut-punch loss because the win was there to be had.

It is not, contra some of the more emotional elements of the fanbase, a referendum on the season.

Michigan made the decision to roll with Harbaugh for another year. I disagreed with that; you can search for the game wrap of last year’s PSU game if you have the stomach to investigate my reasoning. Michigan, for various reasons, some of them good ones, chose to bring Harbaugh back. They brought him back with a low buyout, and crucially with a new strategy: revamp the staff. Go young.

When the season began, there were clear holes in some parts of the roster and large question marks in other parts. The goal has been growth; if there is hope in the Harbaugh regime, there needs to be notable improvements (and there was enough hope to keep him on as coach). So the program calls the play, and they need to see it out.

No reasonable fan expected this team to have a perfect season. The most optimistic preseason predictions were something like 10-2.

Well, if you go 10-2, you lose a couple of times. And losing stinks. Losing to a rival stinks. Losing on the road in a top 10 matchup stinks. And, yes, Michigan has had a recent history of doing that.

But it’s not a shock how this game played out. Michigan had some great performances, and also had flaws exposed in ways that we were worried that they could be exposed. Yes, the defense (with, it is important to note, an almost completely new coaching staff) was worse than we expected. But we worried about them giving up big plays, and they did. We worried about the offense not converting red zone chances, and they failed with frequency in that area.

This does not change the outlook on the whole season very much. It’s a very disappointing loss. It doesn’t feel good. But it was an excellent game against a very good team where there were some bad breaks that all went against Michigan. It was not a humiliating 20-point loss. It was not a complete breakdown on the side of the ball that Harbaugh has the most influence upon.

But the outlook for the season has always been the same: Look for growth. Look for something to build upon. Feels pretty bad right now, but there’s still all to play for.

It's a gut-punch. It's not a referendum yet. 

TheCube

October 30th, 2021 at 5:53 PM ^

This sounds like a post someone should type after losing to OSU in year 2 of a head coach, not year 7 losing to MSU who hired Mel Tucker (now 2-0 against Harbaugh). 
 

Michigan AD is treating Harbaugh’s second contract as if he’s a brand new coach. Man I wish every employer was as rewarding. 

stephenrjking

October 30th, 2021 at 5:59 PM ^

Michigan's AD is not going to fire Harbaugh two hours after his first loss of the season. If there is a decision to be made, it will happen after the season is over. In the meantime, he made the choice to go with Harbaugh for another year--a choice I disagreed with--but instead of just trying the same stuff over and over again, there were massive staff changes. If you make the decision to stay with a coach, you try to give him what he needs to win, and that's what Michigan decided to do. It is simply impossible to make a final call on whether or not it will be successful or not, and it is not necessary to try.

I mean, you were arguing an hour ago that Michigan should have given up on the season from game one and just gone with JJ McCarthy. Instead, the team has actually tried to improve. It wasn't enough today. We need to see what it will look like later on. 

TheCube

October 30th, 2021 at 6:28 PM ^

I standby that bc then the freshman mistakes are reasonable and can be worked out by game 8 of the season and if we dropped some games along the way it’s understandable bc we’re playing for the future. 
 

Cade will not beat OSU. The team is hamstrung with him and only plays between the respective 20 yard markers. 
 

The worst part of Michigan football sports fandom is thinking it will be different every year. Now only one of JJ or Cade will be here next year and the decision just got harder thanks to Harbaugh. 

teldar

October 30th, 2021 at 8:18 PM ^

If you think it's Cade losing this game inside the 20's I don't know what to tell you other than that you're absolutely wrong. Play design? Yes. Play calling? Maybe. Execution? Probably. The QB? Not anywhere near as much.

You might point to the fact he doesn't pull and run, but why is that a base play when the QB doesn't keep? 

switch26

October 30th, 2021 at 11:16 PM ^

Freshmen issues worked out by game 8?? Lol do you even watch football you fucking idiot?

 

Adrian Martinez has been at nebraska for 5 fucking years and still fumbles constantly.

 

Who's to say JJ won't keep fumbling it?  You literally don't know shit about football and it shows by your constant bitching about a sport you know nothing about.

 

You would be in heaven if jj had started this year because michigan would be 4-4 probably.

Probably posting all day about firing Harbaugh because he can't develop 5 star talent

 

rice4114

October 30th, 2021 at 11:27 PM ^

If you think Cade is the issue thats all I need to know. Actually if the coaches thought this is the offense they were going to use vs MSU PSU and OSu then fucking go with it all season so its not our first time going with it live. He did his job in spite of this being basically like his first game of the season. I put that on the coaching not him.

Cam

October 30th, 2021 at 5:55 PM ^

I honestly cannot believe there are still people defending Harbaugh. This loss drops him to 3-9 against his rivals, 2-13 against top ten teams, and 20-21 against P5 teams with a winning record. That’s ridiculous. 

There’s always some stupid fucking explanation for why it’s an anomaly. We’re breaking in a new coach, learning a new system, starting a new QB, have a tough schedule. It’s all bullshit. Good coaches win big games, and Jim Harbaugh doesn’t win big games.

Toby Flenderson

October 30th, 2021 at 6:36 PM ^

You're right. Right now, Michigan is Iowa, with cooler helmets.

Jim Harbaugh was not brought here to beat 5-3 Wisconsin and 3-5 Nebraska. The intention is he beats his rivals and contends for a B1G championship and CFP birth. He cannot beat MSU unless he has a clear talent advantage. There is no way Michigan keeps OSU within 3 scores.

A common question people will have is "Who can you get who is better?". Well I don't know geniuses, you take a chance, get smart people in the room, and do a nationwide search of a coach who has an advanced offensive ideology, a good recruiter, and can hire a good staff. You take a chance.

MSU-Hater

October 31st, 2021 at 7:39 AM ^

MSU is 48 hours away from being ranked in the top 5 (perhaps top 4) of the CFB playoff rankings.  If Mel Tucker had the recruits UM has brought in over the past five recruiting cycles this game wouldn’t have been in jeopardy for them. Jim Harbaugh cannot get his teams ready (prepared) to win important games. This fact (based on his record over the past 6+ years) slaps you in the face. 

kzoomgr

October 30th, 2021 at 7:48 PM ^

100% agree on the notion that we have become essentially Iowa; The Lions is a bit of a harsh analog - pick your sport, The Cubs, Tottenham FC, Pete Sampras, etc. Consistently good, every once in while catch fire / get some luck and be great, but not a title contender. If you're the AD, for better or worse, you probably stick with Harbaugh. He runs a clean program, cares immensely about the school, and will get you to a decent bowl game every year. Rolling the dice on a new coach at this stage  seems like a classic case of asymmetric risk to the downside. 

MGoCarolinaBlue

October 30th, 2021 at 10:44 PM ^

This is the first season we haven't had any real QB injuries which is what statisticians call a hidden variable that makes your cherry picked stats even more meaningless than they already were, OSU is a historically unprecedented Death Star, one of those MSU wins came on a literal 1 in 10,000 statistical fluke play, the refs today were directly responsible for a 14 point swing in addition to the fact they didn't call an obvious hold on our crucial 4th down attempt, and Harbaugh's coaching didn't fumble the ball which btw happened when Cade was in the injury tent.

stephenrjking

October 30th, 2021 at 6:05 PM ^

One of the telling things about fan response here is that the coaching snowflakes thread has five times the comments of the defense snowflakes thread as I am typing this. The defense had some big play moments (and had one absolutely stolen from them at the end of the first half that could/would have significantly changed the entire flow of the game) but MSU literally scored every point they wanted to whenever they got an opportunity. Including two 2-point conversions. When Michigan got stops, it was usually on the first series; once MSU got rolling, Michigan had a hard time applying the brakes.

Some people are blaming Harbaugh for this, but the defense is a delegation for him. He doesn't influence it much compared with the offense (most coaches are like this) and the guy he fired, Don Brown, wasn't perfect at it but was pretty good at handling tempo. The sub issue this year was not something that happened to DB a lot. 

So it's a learning thing for Mike Macdonald, and I think Klatt's analysis that some of this is related to him being accustomed to the NFL is probably valid. He's a first-year college coordinator, and he got worked in this area, and the substitution penalty in the second half was pretty galling to me. 

Doesn't mean that he's a bum and should be fired. We don't have the data for that, don't have the analysis of what went wrong today, and while we have a couple of good pieces and some improving players, we still have roster problems on that side of the ball. But the defense gave up 37 points, and it's hard to win games like that. Not impossible, but we all knew the offense's limitations from early in the season. 

mpbear14

October 30th, 2021 at 6:20 PM ^

But when the defense can’t get set crucial play after crucial play and the head coach is sitting on all his timeouts… it’s a head coaching problem that the issue isn’t addressed on the spot. 
 

Not using a timeout when it’s clear our defense doesn’t have enough time to get set cost us 14 points. Some people will blame the DC. I think that’s fair the first time. The next 4? That’s on the head coach. 

HollywoodHokeHogan

October 31st, 2021 at 1:10 AM ^

"Some people are blaming Harbaugh for this, but the defense is a delegation for him."

 

I mean, he did hire the guy with zero experience as a DC (hey, didn't we do that with the OC too and it was real bad in year one?), and whose primary work has been in the NFL rather than college.  You can't have it both ways when it comes to Harbaugh and the defense.  Here are the S&P+ rankings for Michigan from 2015 to 2019:

Offense: 34, 35, 49, 25, 21

Defense: 10, 3, 5, 9, 11

 

If he isn't somehow responsible for the defensive performances of the team, then he isn't responsible for most of his success at Michigan. Just focusing on rivalry games, although the defense has been the bigger problem lately against OSU, they weren't the problem in 2016 and they haven't been the problem against MSU until this week.  If you're going to try and insulate him from responsibility for the defense, the argument for keeping him is going to be very weak. Although that would bolster your claim that this particular game wasn't big deal-- if you're really convinced that he's only responsible for the offense and not the defense or more general stuff like the overall performance of the team, then this doesn't look like a bad game for him. I'm not sure many people feel that way, although I have to admit I'm somewhat sympathetic (part of the reason I think he should've been fired last year is because he only directly coaches quarterbacks and most of the time they are a weakness).

 

 "But the defense gave up 37 points, and it's hard to win games like that. Not impossible, but we all knew the offense's limitations from early in the season. "

 

I think this is a bit unfair.  You keep going back to people's pre-season expectations when it comes to the overall record, but prior to starting the season, we all thought the offense would have to win a bunch of shoot-outs because the defense was that bad. We only realized the offense's limitations after we saw them underwhelm, meanwhile, the defense out-performed expectations.  This was supposed to be Jim's fully-weaponized quarterback with a good line and great running backs.  It's not unfair to ask that offense to win a shoot-out, especially if you want to look at this from the perspective of expectations pre-season. It only seems unfair now because we've seen the offense play and they definitely didn't look like a unit that can win a shoot out early in the season.  But in my view, that just goes back to the head coach.  Sure, the offense played well, but they didn't play well enough to win given the defense (who also made some impact plays and combined with special teams gave the offense some short fields).  And it's Harbaugh's job to field a team (an offense and defense and ST) that wins games, especially ones against MSU and OSU.  And he's really quite bad at this.

 

Red is Blue

October 30th, 2021 at 7:31 PM ^

This is the conundrum.  Throwing out COVID weird 2020, Harbaugh is 10-3, 9-4 and 7-1 (so far) in the last 3 seasons.  Which, from my vantage point would be acceptable if there were a few big wins sprinkled in and it appeared Michigan could occasionally rise up and win the B1G and maked the CFP.  It just doesn't look like that is in the cards.  So, he is marginally okay, but not great.

Part of the problem is institutional.  Hard for Michigan to bring in jucos and academically marginal players or transfers.  Can you imagine the uproar if Harbaugh cleaned house and brought in a ton of transfers a la Tucker at MSU.

ERdocLSA2004

October 30th, 2021 at 10:00 PM ^

The BIG is also much worse than we thought.  He also just lost to MSU, again, against a coach in year 2 with few of his own players.  8-4 was my cutoff but that was contingent on an MSU or OSU victory only.  Harbaugh with a talented team in year 7….year 7.  Yes, last year sucked, I see no reason that should make a loss to MSU acceptable.

Lakeyale13

October 30th, 2021 at 7:37 PM ^

It is a gut punch, but also...objectively...it is another chapter in the narrative of what Harbaugh is as Michigan's coach and what he just cannot seem to do.  

We played well today.  Were super competitive.  Cade threw some great balls.  But does any of that matter when the results are the same?  If you want to see things a certain way or insert emotion into your evaluation then you will skew your results.

Simply, black and white, Harbaugh was hired to shift the balance of power in MI back to UM, beat OSU and compete for Playoff bids.  He wasn't hired to go 10-2...with his only two losses to MSU and OSU, then go to a Bowl and lose.

This is year 7.  Barring a miracle next month against OSU, we have all the sample size we need to know exactly the results Harbaugh is going to give Michigan.  No one would keep some one at the Executive Suite level of a Corporation if they were giving them the results Harbaugh is.

HollywoodHokeHogan

October 30th, 2021 at 8:37 PM ^

Honest question, are people supposed to copy and paste from the snow flakes thread into the game thread?  I thought the point of the snow flake thread was to keep all of those comments contained in a single thread.

 

Also, if Harbaugh should have been fired after last season (agreed!) then nothing about beating seven bad teams and then losing again to your rival (who with a second year coach managed to bounce back from a two loss disaster season better than Jim) should change that.  
 

If you aren’t winning titles, and Harbaugh never has been, then who you beat matters.  College football is build on rivalries and Harbaugh is terrible in the two biggest ones of them.  Maybe MSU is just another game for fans living in Minnesota, but it isn’t for most Michigan fans.  I’d trade a loses to Washington and Northwestern and for a win over MSU.  Beating Indiana just isn’t as important as beating OSU or MSU.  And it would be crazy to expect Harbaugh to beat OSU after you saw the team last year.  But it was totally reasonable to expect him to beat MSU.  And he didn’t. Again.

rob f

October 31st, 2021 at 12:24 AM ^

Thank you, 'SRJKing'  for saying essentially the same thing here that you were getting heavily down-voted for posting on the MGoBoard.  Very well reasoned and especially, very well said.  And the upvotes you've gathered here seem to indicate that I am far from the only one who agrees with you and your take.

Much of the crowd this evening/night is angry and vicious on the board and no matter how well you stated your case, there's blood in the water and you were outnumbered.  And I understand it, 7 years of frustration makes it easy to forget/ignore this season's progress, even though I too don't agree with some of the vitriol towards Harbaugh, McDonald and others.

Thank you for again being one voice of reason among many.

 

Goggles Paisano

October 31st, 2021 at 8:03 AM ^

I'm in this camp as well and while I am still in misery after that heavy dong punch, I am very thrilled with the direction of this program.  We are not Neb, Tenn, Miami, Va Tech, Texas, USC, FSU, NC, Auburn, Florida, LSU, or many other big time programs that are lost right now.  We have a good team, with good players, good coaches, good chemistry, etc.  We can still win out and make the playoff.  This team has exceeded everyone's expectations by a large margin after last year.  

We were the better team yesterday, but had some key moments where players just didn't execute.  What if Turner (it was him or Moten) squeezes that ball and makes the pick on Sparty's last TD drive?  What then is the narrative toward Harbaugh? It was also an uphill battle with Snodgrass and his crew.  One call can determine the winner of a game and in this game, there were a few head scratchers for sure.  

I know a lot of us fans had so much pent up anger after the game and this board provides an outlet to release some of it.  That energy has to go somewhere and better to say something stupid on a board post than to fire your remote thru your TV.  But some of the posters on here are just way off-base with their takes.  SRJK brings the much needed wisdom at a time when the negative fans are out in full force.  I look forward to getting past the grieving portion of the week and getting back to finishing out this season which is still there to be had.