Not what you want [Bryan Fuller]

Michigan 33, Michigan State 37 Comment Count

Alex.Drain October 30th, 2021 at 5:32 PM

[NOTE: This article has been updated to reflect news that Cade McNamara was in the injury tent and was thus unavailable when the second JJ McCarthy fumble occurred]

Many reading this game recap are from the state of Michigan. Many of those from the state of Michigan are fans of the Detroit Lions. Others are too ashamed to describe themselves as fans of the Detroit Lions, but at least are cognizant of the Lions and the familiar arc that their games unfold in. Your author is perhaps one of the most diehard Lions fans you’ll ever meet, and to him, this outcome is all too familiar. Boneheaded mistakes from players and poor coaching decisions let a winnable game slip through the jaws of victory and into the chasm of defeat on Saturday afternoon, all of which was accentuated by (at times) bafflingly one-sided calls from the officiating crews. The Michigan Wolverines were the Detroit Lions today, and in the process, they dropped a game in East Lansing to rival Michigan State 37-33.

The contest got off to a promising start. Michigan held MSU off the scoreboard on the opening possession and then a 93-yard catch and run by Andrel Anthony put Michigan up 7-0. Two more failed Spartan possessions later, the latter of which ended on a Mike Morris INT, and Michigan found themselves at the 35-yard-line. The Wolverines drove into the Red Zone but stalled out in part due to a holding penalty on Cornelius Johnson. A Jake Moody FG put Michigan up 10-0.

MSU answered in a hurry, marching down the field and Kenneth Walker III ripped a 27-yard TD run on a clever cutback. Michigan answered but again saw a long drive stall at the 22, and Jake Moody threaded another FG through the uprights to make it 13-7. In the blink of an eye, Michigan State came right back. A brilliant call on 4th & 1 at midfield saw Michigan bite hard on play-action and Jalen Nailor hauled in a forty-yard passing play. The Wolverines, who seemed as confused as a bear trying to be taught English when it came to the concept of up-tempo football, attempted to substitute their DT’s while MSU substituted no one, allowing the Spartans to get a play off before Michigan was set and Walker cashed it in to give MSU their first lead, 14-13.

Michigan’s answer over the final 7.5 minutes of the first half was terrific. They scored a TD on an incredible Andrel Anthony jump ball reception, saw a David Ojabo strip sack end an MSU drive, and then a two-minute drill got Moody in position for a 35-yard FG to make it 23-14 Michigan at the break.

The second half’s first 10 minutes continued to go Michigan’s way. Though their first possession stalled on a bad false start penalty, followed by a botched punt, they got off the field on defense, and then saw Cade McNamara, who was in a groove, hit Mike Sainristil for a TD, 30-14 Michigan.

The Spartans responded with a long drive that faced 4th & 5 from the 30, potentially with the game on the line. Payton Thorne delivered the best throw made by anyone all game, a dime into the hands of Jayden Reed, over the outstretched Daxton Hill, down to the one. Walker punched it in, and a catch by Mosley got MSU the two, 30-22.

The flurry continued after the worst Michigan drive of the game, and then the Spartans again marched down the field, converting a pair of 3rd downs and then seeing Walker get loose for a 57-yard run off an up-tempo play. A picture-perfect jump ball to Jayden Reed over DJ Turner, who provided good coverage, brought MSU all the way back and tied it at 30.

Michigan came back with a bomb to Mike Sainristil, but the drive ran into trouble after a JJ McCarthy fumble rolled out of bounds and set Michigan back behind the sticks. Moody’s 36-yard FG made it 33-30 Wolverines. MSU’s next drive was a disaster for the Spartans, as a pair of sacks from Aidan Hutchinson and David Ojabo forced a quick punt, and a good return from Henning got the ball to the 45. Michigan had the ball up 3 with 7:12 to go and good field position, potentially a TD away from putting the game in a stranglehold.

That’s when the van hit a pothole, careened off the road, and went over the cliff.

The opening play of the drive, a JJ McCarthy zone read, which had already produced a fumble on the last time it was used, produced another one. This time, the Spartans snagged it, giving them great field position. A quick holding call seemed to give Michigan a window to stop the momentum, but a devastating offsides on Mike Morris before a huge 3rd & 9 made the down and distance more manageable. A Walker wildcat converted. Another incomprehensible illegal substitution penalty later and Walker scampered 23 yards for a TD. 37-33, Spartans.

Michigan wasn’t technically dead yet, as there were a full 5 minutes remaining in the contest. The next drive did not go well for Cornelius Johnson, dropping a possible 30-yard pass and then dropping another after he failed to run a route past the sticks. Michigan dialed up a ballsy 4th & 4 play on their own 32-yard line, without much reason to believe they needed to go for it, and McNamara dropped a dime in to Sainristil.

From there Michigan marched down the field, setting up a 3rd & 3 with 1:52 left. McNamara targeted an open Sainristil but just missed him down the sideline, a puzzling decision given the ease to which Michigan was converting throws underneath. The 4th down pass was incomplete to Johnson on a controversial no-call (more on that later) and Michigan turned it over.

Again, the Wolverines were not dead. They stuffed Kenneth Walker and Payton Thorne’s rushing attempts three times, used all three time outs, and got the ball back on their own 33 with 75 seconds left. A quick roughing the passer moved the ball out close to midfield, and that’s when McNamara forced a ball into Schoonmaker, and an unbelievable one-handed grab by Charles Brantley intercepted it and ended the game. 

[AFTER THE JUMP: Mulling over a spear to the heart]

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There are a lot of things to say about a game of this nature. Michigan led by 16 with 21.5 minutes to go, but it’s also incorrect to say that Michigan definitely had it in the bag at that point. Michigan State’s big play offense always left the window open to a charging comeback. Michigan’s problem was doing too many things to help open that window further. A drop on a potential huge play by Blake Corum early on and failing to score a TD on their first red zone trip stand out in the memory. So does the Schoonmaker false start on what was going to be an easy 4th & 1 conversion early in the second half.

The bigger mistakes came much later. The 4th & 5 completion to Reed was backbreaking, but there also wasn’t much Michigan could do about that. A perfect pitch and a perfect catch by two important players. Far more important was the consecutive McCarthy fumbles. The use of the package made little sense in this game to begin with, given the way MSU had keyed in to stop the run and the way McNamara was dissecting the Spartan pass defense with ease. The decision to take your best offensive player off the field when you enter the red zone felt like Galaxy Brain-ing it, and though Michigan got saved by the first fumble going out of bounds, it set them behind the sticks and stalled a drive that was moving with ease when McNamara was in the game.

And then the second fumble was devastating. We have since learned that McCarthy had to be in the game due to McNamara dealing with an injury, but the fumble didn't make any one feel better. Still, we cannot be too tough on McCarthy, and Michigan fans would be best served online by letting the young QB know they support him, rather than berating him. Just ask a Toronto Maple Leafs fan how abusing a player on social media after a crucial mistake has affected the psyche of said player.

The fumble was most consequential, but mistakes kept coming in the second half and most players on the field were to blame for something. Cornelius Johnson’s poor performance in this game (multiple drops and a holding) hurt, as did the Morris offsides. For the record, my blame game money is most on the coaches, not just for using the McCarthy package, but for the disaster that was Michigan’s defensive substitutions. At this point, we might as well accept that Jim Harbaugh’s defense will never be able to properly adjust to an opponent going up tempo, much the way that your author accepted at age 13 that he would never be 6’0” tall.

Tempo has been a problem every year of the Harbaugh era, and this was just the most putrid example. Being unable to keep up with the opponent’s pace of play, when it was clearly on film, is terrible coaching. Yet continuing to try and sneak substitutions on, when all it is producing is confused linemen and three illegal substitution penalties, is unforgivable. Michigan needed to make a decision early about either ceasing to substitute when the Spartans weren’t (which was the correct answer) or deciding to take a timeout every time they were caught with too many men. But letting your players not get set up before they have to face Kenneth F***ing Walker III is coaching malpractice 101.

Of course, no Detroit Lions Special is complete without at least a couple devastating refereeing gaffes, and it is simply impossible to discuss this game without talking about the officiating. Though your author was once the sort of “whine about refereeing all the time” fan when he was in his teens, he has since aged into a calmer and fairer observer, and friends and family can attest to that. Perhaps a summer attempting to umpire middle school baseball has given me appreciation for just how difficult the job is. I acknowledge that trying to referee football in the modern day, when the players move at lightning speed and the rule book is more difficult to understand than a late-career Stanley Kubrick film, is nearly impossible. We shouldn’t hope for 100% accuracy, but the expectation should be for a roughly balanced game that gets most all of the obvious stuff right.

You need not be a Michigan partisan (in this case, my uncle who attended neither school, rarely watches college football, and lives in Iowa) to deem that the aforementioned expectation is not what happened in this game. Several hugely crucial calls went against the Wolverines that added significant win probability to the Spartans. The first was a strip sack fumble on Thorne when the game was 20-14 by David Ojabo, which was recovered in the end zone for a TD. Referees inexplicably overturned the call on the field and ruled Thorne down, taking points off the board and ultimately representing a four-point swing as Michigan got only a FG on the subsequent drive.

My informal survey of Twitter (probably 50% Michigan fans, 20% MSU fans, and 30% neutral) was something like 80% for “leave the call on the field” and 20% “OVERTURN.” I think you could make a case there wasn't indisputable evidence to overturn the call if Thorne was ruled down on the field. But he wasn't; the call on the field was the same call that was most apparent on review, and there is no argument that I’m willing to consider legitimate that there was indisputable evidence that his shin went down before the ball came out.

The second most crucial was on Michigan’s turnover on downs on the second to last drive, when a 4th & 3 slant saw Johnson get sandwiched by a pair of MSU defenders before the ball was there, one of the more obvious DPIs you will ever see, but no flag came. If assessed, Michigan would’ve had a fresh set of downs inside the MSU 30 to win the game. Game-altering.

Other fans will cry for Michigan to have gotten more holding calls, and there’s no question that there probably should have been. I am slightly less sympathetic to that argument overall because the fact is, this is college football: elite pass rushers like Aidan Hutchinson get held on nearly every play but the flag comes 1 out of every 10 times, because the game would be unwatchable if you refereed it correctly. Much the same way that Connor McDavid could draw 15 penalties per game in the NHL, but he gets maybe 1-2 calls, because the game would be so lopsided and hard to watch if it were called correctly. This same phenomenon happened three years ago with Rashan Gary. Sure, there probably should’ve been an extra flag or two even using CFB ref standards, but if you were hoping for 5-8 extra holding calls, it was never going to happen, because the NCAA has collectively decided that the referees are the mechanism with which to level the playing field between elite pass rushers and leaky linemen.

The referees decided the game, in the sense that if you flip those two calls, Michigan wins. On the other hand, if Michigan simply played as crisp, error-free, and dynamic as MSU did in the final 21.5 minutes, they would’ve won going away, referees notwithstanding. Some Wolverines did play impeccably: I thought coverage was uniformly very good, Andrel Anthony was a stud, and Cade McNamara had the game of his life, but too often MSU’s players made plays and Michigan’s didn’t.

Reed, Thorne, and Walker all were money for the Spartans in the game’s final 21.5 minutes, while Michigan turned it over twice, saw a potential interception glance off the hands of RJ Moten, in addition to the litany of other errors and coaching mishaps I have outlined. I said in FFFF that Michigan State beat Miami, Nebraska, and Indiana by letting the opponent beat themselves. Michigan beat themselves and will join that list.

Michigan fans believed after Nebraska that this year would be different, that if when matched with a reasonably similar team, the Wolverines could find the killer instinct and pull it out. That belief crumbled like a house of cards in the wind over about an hour of real time this afternoon, and again here we are to pick up the pieces of a “shoulda won” game, just like 2016 Iowa/OSU, 2017 MSU/OSU, 2018 ND, and 2019 PSU before us. It’s hard to believe at this juncture that it’s ever going to change. The Jim Harbaugh era has not been nearly as inept as the 60-year arc of the Detroit Lions, but in the aftermath of these kinds of finishes, it’s often impossible to tell which football team from the state of Michigan is on the field.

The Wolverines have dropped their second straight to MSU and fall to 7-1 on the season. They will host Indiana next week. A time for that game is still pending.

Comments

JamesBondHerpesMeds

October 30th, 2021 at 7:55 PM ^

What has Michigan displayed in the past twenty years that would suggest it's in the same orbit as Alabama, Ohio State, or even LSU?

Perhaps it's best for us to acknowledge that other programs, and their bagmen, rabid boosters, and the like, are simply tuned to the modern moneymaking enterprise that is college football, and Michigan is simply a decent to good team that will compete and occasionally get close to winning a Big Ten championship that will not choose to go that route for whatever reasons they deign.

This has been the same state of affairs for other legacy programs like Penn State, Iowa, and Wisconsin. There is a place in the world for those programs, just like there's a place for commercial airlines and private jets, TJ Maxx and Saks Fifth Avenue, Toyota and Bentley. Both can co-exist, as long as the former doesn't think it can be like the latter.

Wendyk5

October 30th, 2021 at 8:46 PM ^

I'll say "I told you so" to everyone who said our passing game sucks and I'll say it with Cade's stats: 28-44, 383 yds, 2 TD's. 

 

If you go back and look at his posts after every game this season, they're all about the passing game and how terrible it is. Well we didn't lose this game because of the lack of a passing game. But of course, the pathological negativity has to go somewhere. 

HollywoodHokeHogan

October 31st, 2021 at 12:32 AM ^

Pretty sure you said if Michigan won you'd tell off everyone who said the passing game wasn't good enough for Michigan to win.  Guess what, despite the passing game being very good it wasn't good enough, because Michigan didn't win.  But go ahead, go tell them so anyway; must be pathological positivity shining through. 

 

And really, what kind of idiot is complaining about a coach that's failed to control a rivalry that should by all metrics be massively tilted in his favor for seven years?  Clearly, someone who doesn't deserve to root for Michigan, because their fandom doesn't meet that fandom standards of the MgoGate Keepers, right?  This is the same kind of bullshit that gets puked up in comments bitching about Brian not being happy enough and it's pure unadulterated crap.  People can root for whatever goddamn team they want, and they can be pissed off when coaches fail those teams.  It's not some kind of sin against fandom and it's bullshit that it keeps getting pushed that way.

Wendyk5

October 31st, 2021 at 10:27 AM ^

Actually, the passing game was good enough. The lauded defense wasn't good enough. One player scored 5 rushing touchdowns. The defense didn't adjust. 

 

And yeah I will continue to be positive because what's the fucking point of following a team you hate and a coach you loathe? That's pathological. There's a portion of this fanbase that thinks a team of 18 - 22 year old's owes them something, that talks shit about a 20 year old kid who's a better athlete and likely knows more about football than any of those fans ever will. And that kid puts himself out there week after week and when he doesn't perform to the standard to which those fans think they're owed, they shit all over him. That's pathological.  

HollywoodHokeHogan

October 31st, 2021 at 2:14 PM ^

Ah, so when you wrote “good enough to win” you didn’t mean “good enough to win given how the team actually played,” just  “good to enough to possibly win, depending on the rest of the teams performance.”  I guess that covers not only performances that result in a loss (like the actual one), but also stuff like a 150 yard performance that wins a defensive slog. That’s a smart prediction right there.

 

But let’s get to the point, because this isn’t really about the passing game.  It’s about the fans on here who police fandom.  People like you, who don’t just think they are right and those opposed are wrong (like Stephen King, not that Stephen King), but think that they are righteous and those opposed are defective (pathological) or corrupt.  That those opposed to your view don’t deserve to be fans of your team.

 

You post some strawman about not shitting on the players.  I agree with all that.  But the post you responded to said “fire Harbaugh.”  So how does that have shit to do with the 18-20 year old kids? There isn’t a damn thing in this self-righteous rant against the heathens in the fanbase that has anything to do with his post criticizing the coach. The whole point of it is just to exhault yourself and “good” fans, the “real” fans, the non-pathological ones, those shining beacons in the darkness, and because of that it doesn’t matter one wit what he or anyone else was actually saying.  
 

You talk about being entitled, but you (just like me and everyone else online) have no idea how much time, money, blood and sweat other people have put into this university or even this program in particular. And yet here you are, telling people they don’t deserve to fans, that they should find another team, because they don’t feel the same way as you. But they’re the entitled ones? 

Wendyk5

October 31st, 2021 at 4:20 PM ^

Yesterday it was "Fire Harbaugh." Every post prior to yesterday's game was "Fire Cade." It's pretty disingenuous to say the fanbase hasn't been shitting on Cade. If you've been reading posts this year, you've seen it. 

 

I never said he doesn't deserve to be a fan; I said he probably shouldn't be one. Is someone really a fan who hates this much? There's always going to be something to hate for someone like this unless we go to the CFP or beat Ohio State. What's the point of getting on every single thread, even the ones that are titled "Positive Takes Here" and shit on everything? To bring the rest of us down? Is that the point? To shit on those of us who don't think the season is over and want to enjoy some conversation about the team? Because I'm positive, I'm not entitled to be a fan? What a load of horseshit. 

HollywoodHokeHogan

November 2nd, 2021 at 3:00 PM ^

I never said you shouldn’t be a fan.  There is room for sanctimonious hypocrites, I’m probably one too.  But you’re the person who’s first response to winning the game was to “put it in the faces” of the fans who thought Michigan was going to lose, who then turns around and is lamenting posters who want to “bring people down” as if that’s not you (except they didn’t win, so you can’t gloat about being right, so now all that’s left is bitching about other people being more wrong than you).  You don’t want to admit it, but you’re no better than him or me or whoever you’re so proud to judge.

 

 

tah15

October 31st, 2021 at 2:51 PM ^

What in the actual fu k? The entire point is about coaches failing 18-22 year olds of a team we ALL love! And how do you get off self-righteously berating those with critiques of the offensive coaching (yearly red zone issues anyone?) claiming such fans are pathological and shitting on the kids, when you yourself say, and here I quote, “The lauded defense wasn't good enough. One player scored 5 rushing touchdowns. The defense didn't adjust.”? Come on!

Wendyk5

October 31st, 2021 at 4:10 PM ^

Have you been reading posts all year? Cade's been shit on repeatedly. It's pretty disingenuous to say all the hate has been on the head coach. My point in saying "the lauded defense" is that the focus has been solely on a single player, Cade, up until this game (and if you read MGoBlog, you'll know that). He has no touch. He can't throw the deep ball. He's vanilla. Put in JJ, he's the future anyway. Put in JJ,  he's way better than Cade. Cade can't make anything happen against better teams. He's not a big game quarterback. Cade can't run, etc, etc....That's not shitting on a player? The person I was responding to said Cade's game wasn't good enough to win but it was the team that lost yesterday, not Cade. 

tah15

October 31st, 2021 at 8:36 PM ^

Read Mgoblog? Yes! Hunt down one poster I’ve been following “all year” who said nothing about Cade in this particular thread just to get my ironically negative and policing “positivity” lick in? No, you’re right, I haven’t done that. Oh, and I was hoping to be “positive” about the defense but you brought me down and made me feel bad… (am I doing this right?). You’re saying no one should shit on one player (sure, agreed), but a whole unit is fine? Again, come on!

tah15

October 31st, 2021 at 2:51 PM ^

What in the actual fu k? The entire point is about coaches failing 18-22 year olds of a team we ALL love! And how do you get off self-righteously berating those with critiques of the offensive coaching (yearly red zone issues anyone?) claiming such fans are pathological and shitting on the kids, when you yourself say, and here I quote, “The lauded defense wasn't good enough. One player scored 5 rushing touchdowns. The defense didn't adjust.”? Come on!

Lakeyale13

October 30th, 2021 at 6:58 PM ^

I'm not mad at Harbaugh.  I'm not mad at Michigan.  I'm not mad at the team.  Take all the emotions out of the evaluation....simply.....Harbaugh has failed.  I think he has worked hard.  Tried his best no doubt.  Harbaugh was hired for one reason only....shift the balance of power in Michigan back to UM,  beat OSU, be in Playoff contention.  Just objectively, he has failed (barring a miracle next month against OSU).  Time to move on or be content being a "kind of a relevant" football team.

Lakeyale13

October 30th, 2021 at 7:11 PM ^

You disagree?  Amusing.  What is his record against MSU?  What is his record against OSU?  What is his record against ranked teams?  What is his record against ranked teams on the road?  What is his record against teams ranked in the top 10?  What is his Bowl record?

Objectively, Harbaugh has failed at what he was specifically hired to do.  

Wendyk5

October 30th, 2021 at 7:41 PM ^

Here's the problem with firing Harbaugh: the person who comes in next may be worse. And worse in ways we're not expecting. It's a huge risk to fire a pretty successful coach for someone who is untested at Michigan, not the easiest place to coach. And we know this because......the entire 21st century in Michigan football has been a study in this very subject. 

Lakeyale13

October 30th, 2021 at 7:49 PM ^

I guess it comes down to what fans find important.  I would prefer to fire a coach that can't seem to beat OSU, MSU, Ranked teams, Ranked teams on the road, ranked teams in the Top 10, or win Bowl games.  Doesn't seem like much risk replacing a coach with those results.  

Here is a genuine question, do you think it would be difficult to find a coach to replace Harbaugh and tell him that the "level of the bar" is to be sub .500 against MSU, Never beat OSU, have a sub .500 recored against ranked teams and ranked teams on the road, and be sub .500 in Bowl games?

What Exactly are you afraid of losing if Harbaugh were to be let go?

Wendyk5

October 30th, 2021 at 8:03 PM ^

If we hadn't gone through Rich Rod and Hoke, I might not be so reticent. But everyone (fan base and here on MGoBlog) was all in on both those hires. So if Michigan had a better track record of knowing how to hire the coach that can actually get it done, I might be more confident. I also think this game could've gone differently if it had been played at Michigan Stadium. In these kinds of games, where the teams are pretty evenly matched and it's an intense rivalry, the venue can absolutely influence the outcome. 

Lakeyale13

October 30th, 2021 at 8:13 PM ^

Don't care about "Could haves".  I care about results.  We lost today.  No debating about venue, calls made or not made, etc changes the fact that Harbaugh is sub .500 against Sparty.

Again, with the results Harbaugh has had over 7 years, what are you afraid of losing if Harbaugh doesn't come back next year?

Wendyk5

October 30th, 2021 at 8:50 PM ^

So who would you hire? Because without a name, you're talking about hiring anyone that isn't named Harbaugh. It's just pie in the sky thinking -- anyone has to be better than this guy. Good candidates for college football head coach positions and especially Power 5 schools aren't a dime a dozen; it's not like hiring a middle manager. And on top of that, you want someone who can beat Ohio State -- how many current coaches can claim that? 

ALeafOnTheWind

October 31st, 2021 at 2:37 AM ^

I don't see where the "pie in the sky thinking" is here. He's right: Harbaugh's going to win 9-10 games usually, get to about .500 with MSU (at best) and rarely if ever beat OSU. Hiring someone new has high upside and high downside. It invites more variance. The new guy could be terrible, like RichRod, or he could come in and in year 2 be at least as good as an established coach in year 7 at your in-state rival, like Mel Tucker. No one loves to be at the level Harbaugh has gotten Michigan to, but some fans might prefer that to risking a few more bad seasons. (Of course, it isn't like we didn't go 2-4 last year, so bad seasons clearly aren't off the table anyway.) For my part, I'd prefer to take a risk to try to get to an elite level. And if the new guy doesn't work out, take another risk. Keep going until you find the right guy.

Again, none of this is to say you love where the team is or that your preferences aren't valid, even though they aren't my preferences. I just think it's valuable to clarify the situation and the tradeoffs we face. 

Gohokego

October 30th, 2021 at 9:25 PM ^

It sucks to lose a game like this but you really can't dismiss the calls that all went msu's way.  The td that was taken off the board is insane.  The lack of pass interference on sainristal in the end zone and cj on 4th down and msu getting the same call on dj turner. The holding on cj when you don't call the same on msu in big td runs by walker. 

Did UM make mistakes to hurt themselves yes but so did MSU. To have every review and big call go msu's way make it really hard.  

Amaznbluedoc

October 30th, 2021 at 9:25 PM ^

Sorry, I was a vocal critic of each of those hires and I think many folks were as well.  When the fans have to ask themselves whether they want a decent coach who runs a fairly clean program, prepares kids for life and/or the NFL, and can put up a winning season except agains good teams, versus guys like RRod, Hokey, etc. well it suggests that we have an identity crisis.  The later made us look more like an IU or NW while FJH has brought us to the level of Iowa.  A more important question is what 3rd possible alternative exists and what would it take to get there?

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

October 30th, 2021 at 10:59 PM ^

Little or none.

I think JH has left a LOT on the field with poor decision-making in critical games and the guys play too tight in big moments. The team has made undisciplined mistakes - which cannot happen with B+ talent. He also hasn’t recruited well enough to win big, which requires multiple years of top 5 classes. All of that is 100% on JH.

We need the next level of disciplined, relentless, obsessive recruiting and in-game choices that define the top tier.

xxxxNateDaGreat

October 30th, 2021 at 7:54 PM ^

It's a huge risk to fire a pretty successful coach for someone who is untested at Michigan

I gotta ask this to you because you are my proxy for that portion of the fanbase: Are you content winning 8-10 games most years if it means:

  1. No big ten titles
  2. No playoff appearances
  3. Losing record against our rivals
  4. An extreme reluctance to adapt to the modern game in any way
  5. A complete disregard for the existence of tempo
  6. No halftime adjustments

?

Amaznbluedoc

October 30th, 2021 at 8:06 PM ^

Agree completely.  Cade had a great game, made very few mistakes and generally made good reads and throws.  JJ came in and had fumbilitis, contributing mightily to the loss. CJ missed easy grabs when the time mattered.  We can dissect every aspect of the game though to your point, the lack of adjustments and ability to manage the contest against a rival when you’re up 16 going into the fourth speaks legions.  Jim can’t seem to control the game or inspire his players (with few exceptions) to play beyond their abilities when it matters most. I hate to say this but a guy like Mel Tucker can.  We had nearly 600 yards of offense, TOP 35 to their 25, and beat them in nearly every category except heart and the score.

Wendyk5

October 30th, 2021 at 8:08 PM ^

I'm absolutely not content losing to Ohio State year after year. That's my one big issue with Harbaugh. I couldn't care less about how he gets the win. But as I just said in another post, I don't necessarily have the confidence that our athletic department knows how to hire the guy who CAN get that job done. And I frankly don't know why anyone else has that confidence, either, given previous hires. The two before Harbaugh were unmitigated disasters. And I know we have a different AD now but.....if they do fire Harbaugh, I guess I'll just have to wait and see. 

MGoCarolinaBlue

October 30th, 2021 at 10:20 PM ^

Losing to OSU year after year has nothing to do with what Michigan is doing and everything to do with the historically unprecedented strength of OSU at the moment

You all can bitch and moan about it all you want but it's a fact, and hiring another coach doesn't change it and is more likely to make things much worse

Wendyk5

October 30th, 2021 at 11:30 PM ^

Juwan is an outlier because he played here and was already a coach. It's going to have to be someone with no connection to Michigan unless you can think of someone with P5 coaching experience and a resume that strongly points to the ability to win the games that Harbaugh can't. 

Perkis-Size Me

October 30th, 2021 at 9:40 PM ^

So honest question, and I don’t mean to criticize I’m legitimately asking: if we shouldn’t fire Harbaugh because the results could be worse, then what would you have us do? Because clearly what we’re getting now isn’t good enough relative to expectations. And minus Harbaugh pulling ten rabbits out of his ass on November 27th, this is going to continue. These results are hollow. This isn’t year one or two. This is year seven. At a certain point, what you see is what you get.

 I don’t know too many Michigan fans who are satisfied with not just losing to OSU every year, but being embarrassed by them every year, and then watching MSU out coach and outclass Michigan at least every other year. But hey it’s fine because the next guy could be worse. As far as the expectations for this program are concerned, this is as bad as it gets. They’re shitting the bed in all of their defining moments. 

At a certain point you have to ask yourself what kind of program you want to be. If losing in the Citrus Bowl to Ole Miss or South Carolina every two of three years is what you want, and then getting hamblasted by Florida or Texas in an NY6 bowl every 3-4 years is acceptable, then fine, keep Harbaugh. But don’t get mad about the results when they keep happening over and over and over.