247 has updated rankings
A few Michigan commits got bumps (up) and some targets got positive bumps also.
https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings/?In…
Of note: Charbonnet, Ojabo, and Hinton moved up.
:( Charbonnet is now a top 50 RB.
He is ranked 10th best RB.
that is composite, not 247.
Charbonnet is the #4 RB in the Top247. 6'2 215 lbs
Gray is the #1 APB in the Top247
And think if we add Giles Jackson who right now is seemingly leaning UofM. He's supposed to be the fastest guy in the 2019 class
Power, Elusiveness, and Speed. Please happen. This would be a game changing RB haul
Hinton was a 5 star, He moved down i believe
He did. Moved down 10 spots on the 247 rankings. Rating stayed the same, I think.
If I had to guess, it's because he's not really doing camps and instead prepping for his senior year
No, he's a very good player and Michigan is blessed to get him. But watch his tape...he's a DT and he's a 4 star. Mazi is a better player now and will continue to be. Just the facts.
6 recruits in the Top 250, including 2 RBs. Not bad :)
I believe it is 8 in the top 247.
Yep. They are:
36. Chris Hinton
40. Zach Charbonnet
86. Eric Gray
146. Stephen Herron Jr.
154. Nolan Rumler
193. David Ojabo
225. Mazi Smith
237. Karsen Barnhart
Still major players for:
2. DE Zach Harrison
8. S Daxton Hill
9. DE George Karlaftis (Purdue)
13. WR Kyle Ford
37. ATH Quavaris Crouch
77. S Lewis Cine
108. OT Trevor Keegan
164. OT Danielson Ike
169. WR Cornelius Johnson
208. ATH Giles Jackson
238. ATH Wandale Robinson
wow- huge jumps for Giles Jackson and Wandale Robinson
Well deserved. Both are great athletes and guys that you can use in many ways. Giles Jackson's 3.85 shuttle is absurd.
Would we take both Robinson and Jackson?
Any ideas on our respective chances with the “still major players for” category?
Can we put up a Magnus bag symbol?
Top two or three for all of them, top two for most. Most think we lead for Keegan, some would guess we lead for Hill, Crouch, Ford, and Jackson (but others would say second or third). Probably second for Harrison, Karlaftis (obviously, or he'd have flipped already). Cine, Ike, Johnson, and Robinson would get "cloudy" crystal balls from me. Cine has a ton of PSU balls, but loved his visit, loves Don Brown, and PSU has two or three safeties so far. I have no idea what Ike's leanings are, and he's probably not a take if we land Keegan, as that would make us full at OL. Johnson seems to be a battle between us and Notre Dame, but Stanford is in there too. His mom is a Michigan alum. Robinson is blowing up, obviously, and is a take for us, OSU, and Bama, and also likes Purdue and Kentucky. No idea who he favors.
Your lead list would be incredible, but I've only heard about Crouch. Any info for Hill and Ford?
Other Michigan commits think we are getting Hill (I think McNamara especially). Coaches are cautiously optimistic as we are battling in-state Oklahoma and Alabama. I think Hill likes our players/commits and is especially intrigued by his opportunity to play right away (Kinnel graduates and his current backup is...?).
Ford is going to be an in-season guy. I think USC is running behind Colorado, us, and Oregon right now, but they're obviously the local school. I think it'll ultimately come down to the season - how we do as a team and how well we do with his visit. Have a good year and kill his visit and I'd guess we get Ford, especially because USC and Colorado won't have good years, and I'd be surprised if Oregon was great, although they will have a strong passing game.
I love your optimism, but you are setting up hundreds of people in there to be disappointed. You think we are higher on the pecking order than we actually are on many of those recruits.
If we snagged Hill, IMO that would be the best recruiting win of Harbaugh's career here. Bama really wants him, he's from Oklahoma, brother goes to Oklahoma St, etc.
I'm a little more confident with Crouch and Ford, based on who we are currently going up against. Seems like Michigan vs. Tennessee right now for Crouch. Michigan vs. Oregon and Colorado for Ford.
Yeah, Hill would be an amazing get. A top ten player from a different state at a school we don't have an "in" at, whose brother starts for another Power 5 team in that state. Eye-popping speed at a position of need. I don't think any of Michigan, Bama, Oklahoma, or Oklahoma State are supremely confident with this one.
Also a super-elite safety which is the one thing we haven't had in forever, and the final piece to Don Brown's Voltron.
Hey Dr. any additional insight for Hill? (too lazy to read through all the comments) there seems to be mutual interest but I havent seen anywhere that we "lead" for him. That would be a huge pickup.
I wouldn't say we lead for Hill. We are major players for sure, but I think Oklahoma is the favorite for him.
You could find someone who says we lead, someone who says Oklahoma, and some who would say Bama. Our recruits who talked with him at the Opening think we lead, and our coaches think that's a distinct possibility. He's a bit of a mystery at this point.
Steve Wiltfong just said on a podcast that it's a Michigan-Alabama battle, but that he thinks Michigan has a slight edge (paraphrasing - he said our coaches feel really, really good and pointed out that we are the only official he is sure of).
Charbonnet isn't just a top 50 RB now, but the #4 RB in the country!
Or #10, dammit lack of editing.
And Gray #5. We now have two top five backs, and a very good shot at #3 WR, #14 overall Kyle Ford. It's almost as if this staff knows what they're doing.
Kyle Ford might be the guy I want most left in this class but very good shot seems like a stretch.There is certainly interest but the prevailing wisdom from national experts seems to expect him to stay out west with USC. Really feels like this is one of those races we will finish second in, feels the same way about with Daxton Hill. Think we have a better shot finishing with Cine and Keegan of the top guys we are in on.
Everything I have heard has USC (and UCLA) not in his top group right now and him wanting to leave LA. He mentions us with Colorado and Oregon as the schools recruiting him the hardest. He's been labeled with the classic "different kind of kid" tag from analysts. I'd put Michigan at 40% against the field here.
stuff like this is said about LA recruits every year and 99% of them end up at USC.
Sure, I get that, but it doesn't seem like USC has a lot of momentum here right now. We've also signed two LA four stars in Jim's tenure and have another committed in Charbonnet, so the notion that we are automatically unlikely to land an LA kid with a USC offer is flawed.
Sure we aren’t out of it because he is from LA but your sources seem to be pretty heavy on the Michigan optimism. I haven’t seen a single non Michigan source say Michigan leads for hill or ford and honestly the Michigan sources vs national thoughts haven’t been going the Michigan sources way to frequently.
I don't think anyone is saying we lead for Ford, but Ford's said he really wants to visit campus for an official and if the intel is correct that he wants to leave Cali and his other top schools are Oregon and Colorado, then we definitely have a good chance if we can get him on campus because good things happen when Michigan gets kids to take an official to Ann Arbor
I wasn't saying we lead for Ford. Wiltfong just said it's Michigan and Bama for Hill and Michigan probably leads.
Do you have any meat to add to this bone?
Because yeah of course the national pundits are going to suggest that he is LIKELY to stay out west..if for no other reason than he is from out west. Which, yeah MOST of the top talent on the west coast stay out west. That's the easy take. So, do you have more to offer that suggests he's blowing smoke when he says he'd like to go out of state?
And for the record, I have no idea where he's leaning or what is likely to happen. But if you are going to push back on the more optimistic take from the good Dr. it would be useful if you offered more than 'prevailing wisdow says he stays out west'. Is this "wisdom" based on something coming from Ford's camp or is it just the 'best in the west usually stay out west' type of prevailing wisdom?
Is the small number below their ranking what they were ranked previously?
Nope, number below is their 247 ranking and the one above is the composite ranking.
Thanks!
Vice versa if you're looking at just the 247 rankings, FWIW. Which I think is a better choice, since the non-247 places haven't done a rerank in ages and don't really pay attention.
I put more stock into the 247 rankings now - but for the life of me cannot find their team rankings. Do they just post the composite for that category?
Yes. https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/RecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool
Has the previous ranking and an arrow showing how much they moved up or down.
edit: read that as "is there" not "is the"
So for the Top247 yes, for the composite no
Well. Well, well, well...
Remember when I said Charbonnet was underrated and Kurpit was extra quick to chime in with the "lol Michigan fans gonna Michigan fan, every recruit is underrated to you"? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
You mean the coaches actually know how to identify and evaluate talent?
also, it can take a minute for recruiting services to catch up (positively or negatively)?
I am struggling to get my head around how this could be.
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