Thought Experiment: Football (or other D1 sport) as a Major

Submitted by AlbanyBlue on January 10th, 2021 at 12:55 PM

In the Xavier Worthy topic, there was some talk about the idea that "Football" could be structured as a major. Let's get away from the redundant ideas lately and hash it out.....

A player on the team:

  • Would have to fulfill GenEd requirements, as any other student would.
  • Would have to fulfill the requirements of a minor.
  • Would get credits for practicing and playing with their team as well as for off-season training
  • Would take "sport specific" classes in:
    • basic financial management
    • basic interaction skills for dealing with agents, etc, and basic interviewing skills
    • for football, what is involved in training and performing at the combine.
    • the organization and structure of a sports team, including what jobs are available and what they entail
    • more intensive study about techniques of coaching and front office roles -- perhaps a "part 2" to the course above
    • basic injury prevention, including the basics of things like nutrition, kinesiology, etc.

I'm sure I'm leaving a bunch out, but this seems interesting to talk about, even if it's not necessarily realistic.

The Pope

January 10th, 2021 at 1:02 PM ^

This makes so much sense that I could see the NCAA not allowing it.

Players could choose to go this route or have football as the minor and get a major in something else if they prefer to get a more traditional degree.

 

trueblueintexas

January 10th, 2021 at 1:48 PM ^

Are they going to offer similar courses to other athletes so they can learn how to succeed in their professional sports?

I get the college AD financial model, but setting up a football major while ignoring every other student athlete is the dream of fans, not the people who actually have to run the thing.

michgoblue

January 10th, 2021 at 2:00 PM ^

They could, but the specific skills that the OP was talking about are specific to revenue sports. Basketball, football, baseball and hockey have potential to produce athletes that go into the world and make the sport their career. While it is true that some athletes in non-revenue sports can make coaching a long-term career, the numbers are significantly less.   How many college wrestlers end up with a career in wrestling?  Not many. More likely, you can become a gym teacher and then coach wrestling in your district, but your career is teacher, not wrestling coach.  Also, the purpose of such a major, let’s be honest, is to level our playing field with the football factories thst let kids come to not play school. This is a halfway approach because it allows us to still require core requirements and then tailors the remainder of the classes to the realities of being a big time football or basketball player. 

trueblueintexas

January 10th, 2021 at 4:02 PM ^

There’s pretty good money in women’s tennis and golf at the pro level. Do they get courses targeted to their profession? 
You addressed my point. Most of the fans on this blog are obsessed with football. The school and AD have to take all student athletes into account. Partly by law and partly by mission. Most of what we dream up simply wouldn’t fly either legally or in the court of public opinion. The opinion of the majority. Not just the opinions on this blog which, as hard as it is to believe, is still the minority. 

Kevin13

January 10th, 2021 at 5:15 PM ^

Yes majoring in football is great for kids. I’m sure when the 2% of players are done with their NFL career it will serve them well and the other 98% who won’t play beyond college should be able to find all kinds of job opportunities for someone with a football major. I know in the business world I was always looking for people with that skill set. 
Let’s get real UM is there to educate kids for a lifelong career. We shouldn’t do kids a disservice so they can play football for a few more years and hopefully we can win a couple of more games a year 

JacquesStrappe

January 10th, 2021 at 7:56 PM ^

Yes, but then it is hypocritical to admit kids that have either no interest or ability to complete a traditional degree path. Worse, the spot offered to a football player may displace someone that fits the typical Michigan academic profile because there is only so much on-campus housing for freshman.

Offering football as a major is at least an honest alternative that doesn't dress up what universities are actually doing and may be the best shot at actually getting these kids to complete their education in something that they are interested in. Even if having a career on the field does not transpire, there are other similar career paths that could be worked into the major, like athletic administration, front office roles, or scouting.

A football major is certainly a better alternative than admitting kids as hybrid employee-students, as is currently being contemplated in pending legislation.

 

FieldingBLUE

January 10th, 2021 at 1:09 PM ^

It's not a huge leap from a Sport Management Major either. It could easily work underneath that umbrella as a "Athletic Performance" major much like a Vocal Performance major.

Magic_Fan

January 10th, 2021 at 1:18 PM ^

I clicked on this thread expecting another in the long line of recent BS threads.

Instead, I was very pleasantly surprised. A thoughtful and insightful topic. Well done, OP. I think this is a really interesting idea, and I like the analogy the poster above mentioned regarding the performing arts.

I would encourage minors in areas that might be "typical" careers for retired athletes: journalism, coaching/leadership, business, acting.

micheal honcho

January 10th, 2021 at 4:47 PM ^

So the old “ but you don’t go to college for career prep” arguments that get trotted out every time the ROI gets brought up in regard to the 35k per yr spent in pursuit of that “art history” degree get tossed out? 
 

Why doesn’t “They didn’t come here to play school” have equal standing with the more liberal arts/performance degrees in regards to an institutions obligation to provide career oriented degrees? 
 

I mean a guy coming to a school, saying yes, I’m going to play football for you and I understand that I need to maintain full time student status to do so. But I’m going to take PE classes exclusively and I’m fine with my degree being in athletics because I’ll take responsibility for my career myself. 

Magic_Fan

January 10th, 2021 at 7:08 PM ^

A couple points.

First, most of these athletes aren’t paying for their education so ROI is moot.

Second, even if the degree ended up being useless for them then I think it would be no different from any individual who majors in one thing and then later decides to go back to school to get additional training in something (e.g., a liberal arts major who goes back for post-bac science classes to go to medical school). An athletics major could do the same. 

njvictor

January 10th, 2021 at 1:18 PM ^

This could be interesting. I think "Building your Brand" and "Life after Football" would also be interesting classes for athletes to have. All the above classes are also helpful in translating into a coaching or personal training career as well

I think it's also worth noting that football players wouldn't have to be a football major

tah15

January 10th, 2021 at 1:21 PM ^

That's exactly what should be done! We always think players need a fallback plan for if/when they get injured or finally cut. Why can't Football (or Basketball or what have you) still be the fallback plan? There are a myriad of opportunities around these sports for former players to carve out a living: sports agency, athletic training, coaching, management, broadcasting, etc. If they need further specialized education--an MBA, for example--they can always go to graduate school, but the game itself ought to be a prerequisite education for a whole plethora of possibilities. Recruit, coach, and educate athletes with a players-focused program. Equip them to chart their goals around the game itself rather than unrelated career pursuits (except when a specific player desires something else). It should no longer be about how a player sacrifices himself for THE TEAM! THE TEAM! THE TEAM! but rather how the team and its collective success offers the best foundation for a player to find personal success in the world of athletics over the course of a lifetime. 

AlbanyBlue

January 10th, 2021 at 1:22 PM ^

Another idea would be a course in "The History of <whatever sport>", offered with the idea that athletes learn how the play of the sport has evolved and how the current innovations in on-field play have come about.

crg

January 10th, 2021 at 1:38 PM ^

Not really necessary to have dedicated degrees in specific sports since there is already significant overlap with existing options (sports management, sports medicine, kinesiology, etc... as well as the general studies option in which the student can already tailor their program with specialized courses).

Not to mention that a sport does not have the same academic background and breadth as the "classical" performance arts (voice, instrument, theater, etc.)

That being said... I do believe there is probably significant room to improve the course options available within the existing structure (personal branding, negotiating, and similar courses).  These should not necessarily be limited to just the small subgroup of the student population that might go on to pro-sports.  Those skills are *widely* applicable in other fields and would be valued by other portions of the student body.

Hensons Mobile…

January 10th, 2021 at 1:41 PM ^

I see people making comparisons to things like music majors. I am curious if someone can help flesh this out if we make it analogous with other performing arts. Presumably music/theater/dance majors have performances as part of their course work. Would we get games for class credit? Do you fail if coach doesn’t put you in or if Brian gives you a bad number on UFR?

evenyoubrutus

January 10th, 2021 at 1:48 PM ^

For me, the reason I compare it to a music major is because your chances at real professional success are (presumably) around the same as it would be in sports. I.e. not much. 

OTOH, there are careers in teaching/coaching, etc. Don't a lot of athletes already get degrees in physical education and become gym teachers? 

Hensons Mobile…

January 10th, 2021 at 1:56 PM ^

That’s all well and good. I am just mostly curious about how the class credit usually works with performance majors and how it would likely apply to athletes. OP mentions you get credit for showing up. Who would award the grades? Coaches? Just wondering if a music (or something) major wanted to shed light on the details.

Teddy Bonkers

January 10th, 2021 at 1:42 PM ^

I think it could be made to work and be beneficial for the growth of the student athlete. I don't think you can limit the major to only those on the team, but labs like strength training and football practice count be optional 'lab' classes a credit hour for each that you have to qualify to take, in other words make the football team. Perhaps the S&C coach could run a lab or two for people not on the team. Education majors who want to be high school teachers and high school football coaches could benefit from classes.

Could be a slippery slop, would still want at least half the credit hours associated with major to be traditional university classes. 

Blue Vet

January 10th, 2021 at 1:46 PM ^

crg makes the most relevant point, that athletics are not intellectual pursuits. They do take thought, yes, but the core component is action.

Many compare football to theater, but that comparison actually illustrates the conceptual difference. Sports use thought but focus on action. Theater tasks—acting, design, directing—use action but focus on thought.

The classes you suggest for a possible athlete major would all benefit players. Again, however, the primary task would remain the many hours playing, in practice and games.

snarling wolverine

January 10th, 2021 at 2:24 PM ^

I think the main issue here is that football already is a de facto major for these guys.  If you're an ex-college football player you can definitely land a high school football coaching job.  But there are only so many of those jobs out there.  Having to major in something outside your sport may open up other career paths to you.  

I think having a football major might help more guys stay academically eligible while they're here, but I don't know that it is great for their long-term prospects.

WestQuad

January 10th, 2021 at 3:37 PM ^

Sports Management, and phys ed and a bunch of other similar majors already exist.  That said, having a "football" degree is no less practical than a theater, art history, religion, political science or pretty much any liberal arts degree.  (I have a liberal arts degree.)  Being taught to think is the key to all of them.  My wife does theater and knows all sorts of people who are theater professors or were theater majors.  Theater is actually a great discipline that can be extended beyond the theater, but it is almost the same concept as a football degree.  Only a few people are going to make a living from it and everyone else is going to apply the thinking to other fields.

wolverinebutt

January 10th, 2021 at 5:44 PM ^

In the 70's I played D2 football. Every season you could take 1 credit of varsity football.  I did and it didn't help me.  I played 3 seasons(3 credit hours) then left school for a pretty good job.  I finished my degree part time.  My new school laughed at the varsity football credits as they rejected them.

Schools have degree programs already set up for the players.  It would be a disservice to dumb their educations down farther.  If they do not finish there degree they  would mostly likely lose much more than I did.  We want these young men to be able to get jobs after their careers.  

Note -  Maybe online classes would solve this issue.  I did not have that option in the day.                      

Starko

January 12th, 2021 at 2:01 AM ^

I love this idea. At least it’s a step in the right direction.  At the end of the day, I don’t think it’s fair to compensate someone for their incredibly difficult and dangerous work in classes they don’t want, and it’s unfair to virtually exclude kids not smart or experienced enough to pass college level courses from the market for their abilities as an athlete.  Why shouldn’t John Smith be allowed to play against the other best 19- and 20- year-old basketball players in the world and compete for a potential career as a star athlete? just because he is not good at academics? It’s cruel in its unfairness.