Michigan State Snowflakes: The Offense
October 29th, 2022 at 11:26 PM ^
FGs are great but the down field passing is atrocious. Love the win but we need to have some ability to throw down field to compete at the top level
October 29th, 2022 at 11:29 PM ^
It was good enough for today. But man, we have GOT to get our red zone offense figured out.
October 29th, 2022 at 11:29 PM ^
MSU is a shit show team. Bottom third of B10
At home. Under lights. With all the star receivers and 5* QB the red zone was a shit show. Its good enough for B10 because its a bad conference with what 3 teams that exist. Its garbage against top 5 teams
October 29th, 2022 at 11:39 PM ^
Horseshit is as horseshit does
October 29th, 2022 at 11:41 PM ^
Can they run the play where they have a receiver in the end zone?
October 29th, 2022 at 11:48 PM ^
Michigan did that at least once. And it was an incomplete pass.
October 30th, 2022 at 12:42 AM ^
Yeah working the middle of the field from inside the red zone is a low probability high variability foray that I don’t like. Just baffling that we keep trying same thing. At least this one wasn’t batted and intercepted.
October 29th, 2022 at 11:30 PM ^
I has a sad we didn't have a better passing game plan.
October 30th, 2022 at 12:08 AM ^
I do not understand. You're sad?
We just beat our rival 29-7! FFS, cheer up!
We suffered through years of bad, ugly football. Now we win almost all the time. Enjoy it!
John Harbaugh wins the same way in Baltimore. Runs the ball, QB is exciting but inconsistent throwing the ball. Amazing kicker. Tough defense. Wears out opponents. Fantastic special teams. It's a formula that works in college and the pros.
Enjoy being a top team again. This is good times, folks.
Go Blue!
October 30th, 2022 at 12:44 AM ^
It works in college against bad teams and keeps them in games that said bad teams shouldn’t be in…otherwise, please see Georgia and OSU every year except 1x in 10…
October 30th, 2022 at 1:45 AM ^
Ok. Go ahead and sulk. Seriously, I'm not trying to yank your chain.
I just can't understand being unhappy about 2 straight years of incredibly successful football.
I love watching a fundamentally sound team that plays clean football and wins almost every game. I'm grateful that JH has returned Michigan to a place among the top teams in cfb.
As for "seeing Georgia and OSU every year" - I'm sorry, that doesn't make sense.
Last year Georgia's formula was VERY similar to JH. They had a plucky game manager for a QB, a ground and pound offense, they feature TE's in the passing game, and they had dominant line play. They also had more talent than we did. That defense was incredible. Their offensive scheme wasn't special, they controlled the football and shut teams down.
This year they absolutely should have lost to Missouri. Missouri, one of those inferior teams Michigan HAS NOT been threatened by this year.
OSU wins by winging the ball down the field and scoring pinball-machine numbers. They're good. They struggled to put away ND and didn't beat PSU as soundly as we did - but they're definitely very good.
I guess our fundamental difference is that you apparently lament that we're not OSU (or Georgia), while I celebrate that we're Michigan, we're clearly better than almost every school in the country, we beat OSU 42-27 last year, we just beat the crap out of PSU and MSU, and will probably go to Columbus undefeated.
Before last season, when people were calling for JH's head, I consistently said I still supported him, because the team and the program was sooooo much better under JH than it had been in years. The last two years have been so joyful and fun.
So, I'm happy, unapologetically so.
October 30th, 2022 at 8:59 AM ^
Georgia was losing to Mizzou in the 4th quarter this season.
October 30th, 2022 at 2:33 AM ^
I'm quite happy, TBH. I was just quoting an ancient meme. I do wish we had exploited MSU's crappy secondary and let JJ and the WRs do their thing, but I loved the win.
October 29th, 2022 at 11:32 PM ^
I wish their were more touchdowns but I do like the “no punt” offense
October 29th, 2022 at 11:47 PM ^
One punt, actually. Red zone, red zone, red zone. That is the one thing that is separating this team from the elite offenses. If we are going to beat OSU this year then we must be able to punch the ball into the end zone.
October 29th, 2022 at 11:34 PM ^
Best passing play of the night was the play action to Bell on the quick slant for about 25 yards. Why don't we run that play 10 times a game?
October 29th, 2022 at 11:50 PM ^
Thar should have been a touchdown too, but the throw was slightly behind Bell.
I am not a football insider of any sort but it looks to me like JJ has had it hammered into his head that his first goal as a passer is to avoid interceptions, and this double checking delays his release slightly.
October 30th, 2022 at 12:42 AM ^
Now you've got it. Every QB in the Harbaugh era, including JJ, has this driven home. JJ threw behind receivers at least a couple times today as he waited the extra beat to be sure of safety.
Jim said he would be "hands-off" in JJ's development. Nope.
October 30th, 2022 at 12:18 PM ^
I think JJ was simply off last night. Normally he’s better at leading his receivers.
October 29th, 2022 at 11:36 PM ^
Should have benched Edward's. Disgraced this program and this university. The fact the fan base ignored blatant hate speech is beyond me. Not donating another dollar until it's addressed. Fucking joke. Neg bang me you Walmart wolverine rednecks from bay city without a single tie to the university
October 29th, 2022 at 11:40 PM ^
So you obviously never made a bad decision in your life.
October 29th, 2022 at 11:41 PM ^
Asking for a friend - when was the last time you donated a dollar?
October 29th, 2022 at 11:42 PM ^
What a dumbass comment. So you don’t believe an 18 year old kid couldn’t mistakenly retweeted something when he quickly pulled it down and clarified his position.
October 29th, 2022 at 11:47 PM ^
Pipe down hater. Find another forum of which to whine!
October 30th, 2022 at 12:31 AM ^
Neg bang me you Walmart wolverine rednecks from bay city
Tells us more about this hate speech. Is it about identifying people from a certain group or races and demeaning them? Got it thanks.
October 30th, 2022 at 12:45 AM ^
Fuck off. Please cancel yourself.
October 30th, 2022 at 12:56 AM ^
The university and the team chose to ignore it. Fan base had nothing to do with it. So maybe find another team/university to support.
October 30th, 2022 at 11:10 AM ^
Edwards fucked up, apologized for it at length, and is going to make amends (along with the rest of the team) in accompanying Jordan Acker to a local Holocaust museum.
I'm a UM grad with two degrees, and unless he repeats this kind of thing, I'm fine with how it's been handled so far.
October 30th, 2022 at 1:36 PM ^
M grad here, the son of two M grads, along with a sister, brother and soon to be neice M grad who grew up with season tickets, love the university and the football team and now live in that progressive "hellhole" called San Francisco, also have lived in London, Zurich, Paris, NY and spent years traveling in Central and South America. Work in tech here in Silicon Valley.
That makes me not a redneck, with real ties to the university and I'm totally fine watching a kid make a mistake, own up to it and make things right and not trying to destroy him for it.
Your sanctimonious take here, like you've never done anything wrong and your insistence that this community turn their backs on the kid is ludicrous. Quite frankly, go fuck yourself.
Your elitist comments about our fellow fans that might not have attended M, or towards people from a certain part of OUR state like Bay City makes me both sad and angry. Sad because you think you're superior to them in any way, because you're wrong there. Angry because you're exactly the part of our fan base I hate the most and the one that makes us look worse than anything a player ever tweeted.
October 29th, 2022 at 11:38 PM ^
It took until the final few minutes when the game was over before they just threw it deep or ran more trickeration. I would at least like to see 1 or 2 deep shots a game just to keep d honest. When does a d just not need to worry about defending anything over 10 yards?
October 29th, 2022 at 11:38 PM ^
Thank goodness for Blake Corum
October 29th, 2022 at 11:38 PM ^
I hope Blake loves college and we can get him as much NIL money as possible for next year because he is the offense.
October 30th, 2022 at 11:03 AM ^
I'm afraid that next year we are really going to miss a power back capable of consistently getting those extra yards.
October 29th, 2022 at 11:38 PM ^
Enjoyed the win. We knew it would be close at the half (remember PSU). MSU was brutalized, especially in the 2nd half. They knew we would run and couldn’t stop it. Only one TO. Great win with power football.
October 29th, 2022 at 11:39 PM ^
I keep telling myself that eventually Michigan will have a balanced offense and it never happens. We should have lit that secondary up like a Christmas tree. Hope it gets better in the next few weeks.
October 30th, 2022 at 12:03 AM ^
Don't hold your breath. Jim Harbaugh is the HC. He did this with Andrew Luck as his QB, so....
October 30th, 2022 at 12:19 AM ^
Is that true? How did Luck get drafted then? -Sheer potential and measurables? Honestly asking
October 30th, 2022 at 10:11 AM ^
Yeah, it is true. JH has Andrew Luck. And he still ran the ball all day. Stanford was really good that year and it worked well. But the best player on the Pac-12 that year was Andrew Luck and JH did not adjust his approach. Luck did pass more than JJ is this year. But it was the same basic approach--run a lot, control the ball, grind down opponent.
October 29th, 2022 at 11:42 PM ^
Moody is money but I would like to rely less on him over the rest of the season and just punch the damn thing into the end zone instead. Turn three of the five red zone FGs into TDs and it's a 41-7 full on ass whooping. Instead it was a butt kicking but not a full on ass whooping. Yes, there's a difference. Seems like the OCs have been trying to unleash JJ some and his deep shots are now pretty accurate but the receivers are typically blanketed tightly. Is that play design or receivers just not getting open? Or something else?
All in all it feels great to get a win against MSU.
October 29th, 2022 at 11:47 PM ^
I'm not gonna bitch about a paving on the ground. 276 yards at 5.3 per attempt. Once it was 22-7, MSU clearly had no chance. Great execution in the run game, and it was enough against an MSU team that could do nothing except some chuck-and-prays that required excellent receiver efforts -- which they got. Otherwise, it could have been a shutout.
Good game, good result, got it done, 8-0.
Passing game? Well, for this thread, let's just say it needs work. From scheme, to play-calling, to even execution in some cases now, it's obvious it's not really a priority. JJ threw a nice middle-of-the-field dime with about 8 minutes left in the third quarter. He looked off Windmon and threw a DO. I'm assuming that was there a lot. I'm hoping, anyway. That's the kind of thing I wish we would try fifteen times a game as a complement to our run game.
Overall, though, another paving, and Paul is back. 8-0.
October 29th, 2022 at 11:47 PM ^
About 15 years ago, came back to the tailgate and heard the wailing and gnashing of teeth and commented “you know what I love about being a Michigan fan? We get to Bitch after we win” (tm)
today was one of those days
Go Blue!
October 29th, 2022 at 11:47 PM ^
About 15 years ago, came back to the tailgate and heard the wailing and gnashing of teeth and commented “you know what I love about being a Michigan fan? We get to Bitch after we win” (tm)
today was one of those days
Go Blue!
October 29th, 2022 at 11:49 PM ^
Why any non ol or defensive player would watch us and get excited is beyond me. What skill player watches this and thinks...ooooh. that's for me
October 30th, 2022 at 12:23 AM ^
Yeah, Corum and Schoonmaker and JJ and Donovan never get to touch the ball. Poor guys.
This team underutilizes WR's, but I'm thinking a lot of guys would like to be on an undefeated team playing in front of 110,000 people every week.
There are 6 undefeated P5 teams - we're one of them.
And you know what? There's nothing wrong with being a top destination for all defensive players and O-linemen!
October 29th, 2022 at 11:49 PM ^
Our OL and Corum are so good.
October 29th, 2022 at 11:53 PM ^
There's a tendency to blame JJ, but honestly the receivers are rarely open. He had some bad throws but I think more often than not he's searching and nobody is separating
October 30th, 2022 at 12:05 AM ^
I keep beating this drum.... it is because the pass plays (most of them anyway) do not seem very well designed.
October 30th, 2022 at 12:29 AM ^
I refuse to complain about a 29-7 beat-down of a rival, but one thing is pretty clear by now: Michigan has a far more sophisticated and honed running game than passing game.
Our running plays have nuance and counters upon counters that absolutely boggle our opponents. Complex blocking schemes and nifty little adjustments. RB's are wizards at finding holes and adjusting on the fly. Conversely, our pass routes do seem pretty fundamental, and receivers don't seem especially adept at improvising to find space.
That said, I will marvel at our remarkable running game and enjoy a sweet victory!
Go Blue!
October 29th, 2022 at 11:55 PM ^
Gotta fix the redzone issues. We should've had at least 12 more points on the board, but I feel like Harbaugh went conservative because he knew FGs would be enough to win this game.
The fan in me wanted a 20 point lead at halftime because of "Tuck comin", but the game plan indicated that they're more focused on just winning and moving closer to our date in Columbus.
October 30th, 2022 at 12:27 AM ^
“I feel like Harbaugh went conservative because he knew FGs would be enough to win this game.”
Harbaugh went conservative because “x” is true for almost all values of “x”.