...IF Michigan is in the market for a new DC, who would you like to see?
Before someone takes the time to click this thread to grown about redundancy...I searched the board. There wasn't anything that consolidated ideas around DC (most of the talk is around a new HC).
So let's say reports are true and Harbaugh accepts less money, but uses that money for a new DC (or co-DCs)...who would you like at Michigan?
December 8th, 2020 at 6:27 AM ^
With all due respect. He's already a HC at a P5 program with a solid recruiting class coming in...
You think being the DC at Michigan is a step UP?
What job does that lead to? He probably beat out our current DC for the job he has now.
I'm confused.
December 8th, 2020 at 6:43 AM ^
If Hafley has future aspirations of becoming head coach of a big time program like Michigan, I am not sure why this is a step down for him.
if Hafley is content to remain head coach of Boston College just to be a head coach somewhere, then ok stay at Boston freaking College.
December 8th, 2020 at 6:49 AM ^
You realize we can’t beat BC, right?
December 8th, 2020 at 7:00 AM ^
You don’t see how being a head coach at a power 5 school and leaving to be a defensive coordinator at another power 5 is school is a step down? Interesting..
December 8th, 2020 at 8:13 AM ^
What? I'm saying that is why he would be crazy to leave BC as head coach to be a DC at a program that has no chance of beating his current team.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:03 AM ^
This is why people make fun of Michigan fans.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:16 AM ^
Sometimes we deserve it.
December 8th, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^
yes sir! We need to start calling this shit out more on the board, maybe that will help change any of the culture.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:22 AM ^
The michigan arrogance, wow no wonder our teams are trash because people like you.
Hafley going to michigan as a DC would be a huge step down.. he literally was just at Ohio state why the fuck would he leave and go to a trainwreck program like michigan after he was just the d coordinator at osu
December 8th, 2020 at 9:49 AM ^
When the subject of unreasonable, ridiculous and completely delisusional "Michigan arrogance" amongst it's fan base is brought up i will point to your post as the most egregious example I've ever seen.
If you honestly believe that being a DC at Michigan is a step up from being a HC at a power 5 school then this is in the conversation for dumbest post in MgoBlog history.
And that's saying something.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:53 AM ^
You realize he was Co-Defensive Coordinator at ohio state right? left to become a HC at BC but in YOUR mind coming to be DC for us would be a step up in the right direction? hahahahaahah JFC give me some of what you are smoking man.
December 8th, 2020 at 10:04 AM ^
Hold on - Boston College may not be a marquee program in the world of big-time college football, but it's not exactly Southeast North Dakota Tech, either. You're making it sound like Hafley's the HC at some podunk school that no one has ever heard of.
And he is a head coach - he's running his own program, instead of being a subordinate in someone else's. Sure, BC isn't the same level as Michigan, but he's still the captain of his own ship. With success as an HC over the next three years, Hafley could end up looking awfully good to one of those marquee programs - without having to step down into an assistant's role.
December 8th, 2020 at 7:05 AM ^
You do remember he was the DC at Ohio State don't you? So if he left that job to be the head coach at Boston College then he apparently thought that was a step up.
December 8th, 2020 at 7:23 AM ^
Hafley was very far removed from becoming head coach of Ohio State as a co dc. Maybe never with their current success. He had to leave OSU.
Becoming a dc of Michigan - he is next in line for the head coach position with what seems to be a more definitive time line, maybe within 1-3 years.
Boston College is a stepping stone not a final destination, even if it is P5.
Bottom line: I hope Michigan can hire an elite DC, one who may even be highly regarded as our next head coach. Coaching carousel for Michigan has been destructive.
December 8th, 2020 at 11:03 AM ^
The logic is flawed... it is one thing when its, say, year 3 in the Harbaugh regime, and Harbaugh looking to return to pros in a year, and the inheritance and understanding was that the DC would be the HC.... And this only works when our program is strong and team performing well. THAT, is the only way a guy like Hafley would leave a program like BC, and even still, it is still irrational. And BC isn't a lower tier program like say Bowling Green.
December 8th, 2020 at 12:36 PM ^
Good lord. No, Hafley is not going to give up a Power 5 head coaching position to take a DC job at another Power 5 program. That is an absolute step back in his career. In fact, in a year or 2, Hafley will be the head coach at a major Power 5 program. This is one of the craziest things I've read on here and I've read some crazy shit.
December 8th, 2020 at 7:17 AM ^
This (^^^^^) is why people use the expression "Michigan arrogance."
December 8th, 2020 at 7:32 AM ^
Please stop with arrogance bullshit. Why is it arrogant to have elite coordinators who have head coaching aspirations? It is smart. Seems how all successful programs are run instead of hoping for the best and pulling a rabbit out of the hat for head coach 6years like we currently do. The ultimate arrogance was when Lloyd left and we thought anybody could come in and take over and succeed because we are Michigan. That was arrogance and that started our decline.
December 8th, 2020 at 7:50 AM ^
You’re really serious with this? I thought “head coaching aspirations” meant wanting to be a head coach? He IS a head coach. I’m pretty sure doing well as a head coach at a smaller program is often how you become a head coach at a bigger program. You don’t leave to become a DC. Nah, you can’t be serious.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:11 AM ^
The logic is this:
head coach of Michigan in 3 years > head coach of Boston College now
December 8th, 2020 at 8:22 AM ^
if he does a good job at BC then he is a head coach of a top tier P5 program in three years anyway. Assuming he doesn't aspire to jump to the NFL. He does have connections there. And before you claim no NFL team would hire a coach from BC i have two words for you...Kliff Kingsbury
December 8th, 2020 at 8:53 AM ^
Why are you so enamored with Jeff Hafley?
December 8th, 2020 at 6:56 PM ^
BC was picked to be at the bottom of ACC before Covid, finished middle of the pack, guy can coach. Plus he is Ohio State guy without being a Ohio State guy!
December 8th, 2020 at 8:54 AM ^
This still makes no sense.
Matt Campbell is the most popular name mentioned and he's at Iowa fucking State!
Does HE have to come be a coordinator at Michigan to get a fantasy head coaching job at Michigan 3 years from now?
What the hell are you talking about?!
Boston College is in the ACC, are you thinking of Boston U or Holy Cross? That's the only way this makes any sense. But not really because BU doesn't even have a football team.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:21 AM ^
I apologize to the board even in our current demise Michigan > Boston College
December 8th, 2020 at 9:59 AM ^
Is it though?
December 8th, 2020 at 11:00 AM ^
So Vlad, is the idea to depress me so much that I just do myself in?
December 8th, 2020 at 10:31 AM ^
This is how I picture your face after hitting submit
December 8th, 2020 at 10:56 AM ^
For some reason you're missing the point that head coach > defensive coordinator.
December 8th, 2020 at 11:56 AM ^
Boston College HC > Michigan DC
Do you know that Hafley currently makes more money as head coach of BC than any offensive or defensive coordinator in the country? He makes twice as much as our current defensive coordinator.
He runs a P5 program, but you still think he should take a huge pay cut to step down as head coach to become a coordinator at Michigan where if he does well he could put himself in line for a head coaching job if the current head coach wants to leave in a few years. That is beyond dumb career advice to the point that it's hard to think you're not just trolling.
December 8th, 2020 at 10:40 AM ^
Is it though? That’s putting a lot of faith in Brim McHokebaughgez to not make us more of a smoldering crater in the next 3 years.
December 8th, 2020 at 11:02 AM ^
Brim?
December 8th, 2020 at 11:22 AM ^
If he helps Harbaugh turn it around, Harbaugh won't be leaving. If Harbaugh doesn't turn it around, I would assume that defense would be part of the problem, so he won't get the job. Where is the benefit?
December 8th, 2020 at 10:27 AM ^
the arrogance is thinking a guy who is already a head coach at a middle P5 program would leave that program to become a coordinator at Michigan.
A step down
December 8th, 2020 at 7:31 AM ^
Tell him the HC job is his in a year.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:11 AM ^
Sorry, HC at BC to DC at Michigan would definitely be a step down. If he starts beating a few good teams at BC he'll be up for HC jobs all over the country.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:56 AM ^
Shit, going from head coach at BC to head coach at Michigan would be a step down.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:42 AM ^
If looking at the Boston area, why not try to get Belichick? Coming to M would be a good transition for his "retirement" job of coaching DB's at Navy. I'm sure Hafley would leave his head coaching job to to come back to B10 as DC. Probably checking out moving vans and traffic on 1-90 W.
December 8th, 2020 at 6:25 AM ^
I'm overhauling much of the staff...here's my dream staff.
Co-OC: Josh Gattis
Co-OC: Mike Hart
QB/Pass Game Coordinator: Major Applewhite
- (currently an analyst at Bama working with Mac Jones)
RB: Mike Hart
- (So he and Harbaugh had a "spat like 15 years ago...the guy can coach, is well respected and miss me with the nepotism crap, not only is he qualified...the current guy is solid, but he's the HC's son)
WR: Josh Gattis
TE: Sherrone Moore
OL/Run Game Coordinator: Ed Warriner
- (to me your pass and run game coordinators put together the game plan and lead that aspect...the OCs share playcalling duties)
‐---------------------------
Co-DC: Charlie Strong
Co-DC: Derek Mason
DT: Shaun Nua
- (Good young coach, but production on the field and in recruiting has to improve)
DE/OLB: Charlie Strong
- (Current an analyst at Bama, not only has FL ties like Jean-Mary...also has Texas recruiting ties like Applewhite - experience with LBs and DL...pay him $1.5-2M/year with some of Harbaugh's salary reduction money)
ILB: Brian Jean-Mary
- (Excellent fit with Strong, Florida recruiting would be STRONG!)
CB: Derek Mason
- (Worked with Harbaugh at Stanford, great man/knows defense, paired with Strong...if that's doesn't work, nothing will - pay him $1.5-2M/year with some of Harbaugh's salary reduction money)
S: Steve Clinkscale
- (Recruiting. Recruiting. Recruiting!)
...this, IMO, would be a HOME RUN staff. Jay Harbaugh can be an analyst and handle special teams or maybe coach with Uncle John. We need new life, new energy and we need DIVERSITY! Men who these guys truly look up to...Brown, Zordich and Shoop are great coaches, but we need more great coaches who add more diversity on the staff.
We also need high energy recruiters and this staff would get guys excited to play at Michigan!
December 8th, 2020 at 7:16 AM ^
Charlie Strong isn't a bad choice. Would he take it though?
December 8th, 2020 at 8:59 AM ^
He's a defensive analyst at Alabama right now What exactly is that? That sounds like something below the coordinator level.
I'd imagine he could make recruiting in-roads into TX and FL.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:58 AM ^
I can assure you that Charlie Strong would NOT have in-roads in Texas. None. zero.
December 8th, 2020 at 10:29 AM ^
Agreed. As soon as he was hired he went after kids in Florida he already had relationships with (in hopes to put the pieces together for his first Texas class) instead of diving into the Lone Star State. That wasn't the last time he rubbed Texas HS coaches the wrong way either.
He'd do fine recruiting in Florida and could be helpful in general, so not totally against the thought of him joining the staff.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:07 AM ^
I think for the right price he would...convincing him to share with Mason may be far-fetched, but again...you have extra $3.5M to spend on ACs. Pay them both like full-time DCs.
Right now he's at Bama living off that Texas buyout money.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:11 AM ^
a good strong hire
December 8th, 2020 at 7:32 AM ^
You forgot Jaybaugh. Where does he fit in?
December 8th, 2020 at 7:40 AM ^
Logged in to upvote this analysis. Great choices. Even if we got "some" of these, I'd be happier.
December 8th, 2020 at 7:57 AM ^
You’re over the limit on coaches. The rules allow one HC, 9 assistants, and 4 GAs. By my count you’ve got 10 assistants.
1) gattis , 2) hart, 3) applewhite, 4) Moore, 5) warriner, 6) strong, 7) mason, 8) nua, 9) Jean-mary, 10) clinkscale
you’d have to drop one because these are all assistants.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:26 AM ^
Drop Nua. Our D line hasn't improved since Chase left. We haven't even signed a true DT since Greg left.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:46 AM ^
I get the sentiment, but to me, DT is one of the most important, if not underappreciated, positions. I like the idea of this being a focus point, doesn't have to be Nua though.