...IF Michigan is in the market for a new DC, who would you like to see?
Before someone takes the time to click this thread to grown about redundancy...I searched the board. There wasn't anything that consolidated ideas around DC (most of the talk is around a new HC).
So let's say reports are true and Harbaugh accepts less money, but uses that money for a new DC (or co-DCs)...who would you like at Michigan?
December 8th, 2020 at 10:25 AM ^
Why /s. This is a great fucking idea. If nothing else it will be wildly entertaining.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:11 AM ^
Derek Mason or Bob Shoop
December 8th, 2020 at 8:12 AM ^
If Chris Partridge wasn’t at Michigan previously no one here would want him.
My pipe dream choices for DC are Jon Heacock of ISU or Marcus Freeman of Cincinnati. These are two of the most accomplished guys available.
The realistic options are Derek Mason or Bob Shoop (his defense at Mississippi State was good, just not sure he can recruit).
Just for the heck of it, I’ll toss my names for OC in as well.
Brandon Streeter (Clemson Passing Game Coordinator and QB coach – when you had Deshaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence, and DJ Uiagalelei (sure he isn’t Lawrence but he’s gonna be good) playing good, you did something right.
Tom Herman (if Texas fires Herman, I’d at least call him because he generally seemed like a good offensive mind and would be an immediate upgrade calling plays over Gattis).
Phil Longo (North Carolina OC who has an excellent offense going for the Tar Heels)
Might put Kent Austin of Liberty in this category. Laugh at this pick if you want, but his QB development is stellar. Under Austin, Malik Willis has been torching defenses and has racked up 2,000 plus yards; 20 TDs, and only four INTs in the passing game. He also made helped their last QB better cutting his INT rate from 18 INTs in his 2018 season under a previous coaching staff to only 7 INTs in 2019.
Nick Sheridan (what he’s done with the Indiana offense is pretty impressive, might not be the sexiest pick for some but I’m looking at what Penix did against OSU and Michigan and how Tuttle is looking – Sheridan could solve both our need for a legit QB coach and offensive coordinator).
December 8th, 2020 at 8:38 AM ^
I would throw money at Freeman. He considered leaving for MSU with Tucker. Cinci pays him $600,000. Pay him a million. He would be an immediate upgrade in Ohio recruiting and it would drive Buckeyes crazy that he went to Michigan. Plus, he's a damn good coach and is a young and growing recruiter. Herman would be gravy as he has an issue with some Buckeyes still and as a competitor, he's like to stick it to them a bit. Let Sheridan grow a couple more years and when Herman goes on to a HC gig, woo Sheridan over.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:54 AM ^
Would Freeman come to Michigan is the question there. He may or may not... That said he has an excellent defense!
December 8th, 2020 at 10:48 AM ^
Marcus Freeman would be my #1 choice for much of what you stated. Just seems unlikely given the fact that he's turned down coaching opportunities at OSU and MSU recently. Hoping Michigan goes after him regardless just to see what he says.
December 8th, 2020 at 7:30 PM ^
And then he would leave us for OSU when Mattison leaves
December 8th, 2020 at 9:05 AM ^
Jon Heacock, at ISU, is my pick. He runs the 4-2-5 Tight defense, which is the modern defense against the power spread offenses and is what Army ran. His defenses tame the Big 12's power teams (Oklahoma, Texas, OK St).
December 8th, 2020 at 9:39 AM ^
This is a great pick. As an aside, Army runs a reduction 3-4 defense currently. We run their defense at the school I coach at.
December 8th, 2020 at 10:01 AM ^
You know what would be the easiest solution? Just hire Jon Heacock's boss.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:17 AM ^
Moving on from Don Brown, they have to focus on upgrading the talent on defense. I would look for a coach quickly rising within the coaching rankings that has a proven track record of identifying and recruiting talent. Some names worth considering:
Tosh Lupoi - Currently Atlanta Falcons defensive line coach and run game coodinator, defensive line coach with Cleveland Browns, previously top 10 national recruiter and defensive line coach at Alabama, Washington Huskies, Cal Golden Bears
Todd Bates - Currently Clemson Defensive line coach/recruiting coordinator, coordinated defenses at the Junior college level and Jacksonville state before being hired by Clemson where he has spent the last five years under Brent Venables
Chris Partridge - most of us know the hisotry and trajectory of his career
December 8th, 2020 at 11:17 AM ^
I scrolled this whole time to see someone bring up Tosh. That would be my choice. I would want his recruiting chops and ties to a Saban defense. Other than Lupoi I would also take a look at Strong and Mason.
If Jim wants to right the ship he needs to go get top talent. Hiring an excellent recruiter would be a good start.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:17 AM ^
This OP is a nice thought-in a perfect world. However, history, that urban legend definition of insanity and the last four years of Michigan football surely informs us that this is simply wishful thinking. That some are suggesting that Jay remains on staff and others connected to Jim from the past be brought in is just plain crazy thinking. The personality of Mr. Jim Harbaugh is simply too strong and inflexible to continue in this capacity as the head of Michigan football-and expect different, let alone, better results. People reinventing themselves is so rare-and should neither be counted upon, expected nor demanded. I am so disappointed in the reality here.
I believe Jim has an excellent vision for the off-the-field development of the college athlete. If he wishes to remain connected to Michigan he could/should be employed in some capacity in this regard. Offer him a comfortable civilian wage and a nice corner office in the AD to employ his perspective for the general student athlete population.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:21 AM ^
People will disagree with me, but we need a new OC more than a new DC. We need to replace both! Brown had 3 stellar years, 1 great year, and 1 awful year here as DC. And he had several stellar years at BC. Gattis has shown us nothing to be excited about and he has no track record of success. Gattis talks a big game though and for large parts of this fan base that’s enough.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:57 AM ^
Brown has to go. Back to back years getting his arse handed to him by Osu. Name the really good offense he shut down or the big time stop the defense got that the team needed the last two years. Gets it handed to him in bowls and vs osu. Back to back years of 300yds rushing on the ground to Wisconsin and over 200 to Osu, about to be over 200 again to osu and another bazillion pts. There is no way on earth to keep brown.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:57 AM ^
The big question on Gattis is how much meddling his boss does. That being said, I think the OPs premise is that Harbaugh stays, so Gattis would probably need to go for an upgrade to address whatever issue plagues the offense currently.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:03 AM ^
You are so wrong. Gattis might not be the answer, but the offense has shown flashes. The defense is a total disaster. Gattis has shown the willingness and ability to recruit. DB is a terrible recruiter. I'm also sick of the Viper position. The only team that works against is Minnesota. We need to go more traditional with 3 good sized LB's with safety in the box flexibility.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:31 AM ^
Gattis took the 40th ranked offense and turned it into the 50th ranked one and then the 70th ranked one. And he has zero track record other than that, none. Every offense shows flashes now and then, there is nothing that Gattis has done here that hints he'll be an elite play caller, nothing, he's going through on the job training.
Good/great OCs improve offenses, not make them worse, and they do it regardless of personnel turnover. Only reason we aren't screaming for Gattis to be fired as loudly as we are for Brown is that the guy Gattis replaced was also bad.
Gattis's results would have gotten him fired at ND, OSU, Clemson, Georgia, or Bama. Then again he would have never been calling plays at any of those schools as none of those schools wants a first time play caller learning on the job for a season or 2.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:30 AM ^
I don't disagree at all Jimmy, although both need to go. Brown had a good defense, but people figured it out, and he hasn't adapted fast enough.
Gattis has been promoted way before his time. He isn't an OC, he's a passing game coordinator and an average one at that. Thank god last year we had a NFL O-line that could relearn the run game on the fly from the previous regime, or last year would have looked like this year on the offensive side of the ball. The fact Gattis didn't learn anything from last year tells me he isn't worth retaining.
That's not on Harbaugh meddling, that's on Harbaugh (and Warriner) trying to save Gattis' offense.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:46 AM ^
Lets say that's the case, then... The onus is on Harbaugh to have identified that issue earlier than an in-game situation. Where was he when Gattis installed the running plays that couldn't have worked against Michigan's defense in practice? Where was he when Gattis' game plan said they weren't going to run, at all? Where was he when the unimaginative game plans and passing schemes were laid out, without any constraints to work with?
It doesn't really matter who designed what, the head coach is responsible for the end product. And the end product is crap.
December 8th, 2020 at 11:13 AM ^
I don't disagree it's on the Head Coach. Where you and I tend to disagree is, I think Harbaugh's track record warrants a second chance to get it right. He has won, and won big (no he has never won it all, but Bo never did either) wherever he went. This year is an aberration record-wise.
An aberration (I think) in the making since 62-39 and Brown and Harbaugh's failure to learn from that game.
Has he learned the lesson now? I think he deserves another year to prove he has or hasn't.
This contract offer, should it be true, is the perfect vehicle to let that year happen too. He should sign it immediately, say he's going to be here for years to come, and he's not worried about buyouts because he's going to win.
If he tanks next year, it saves the University money on the buyout, and the coaching pool hopefully will better than Campbell (who seems fine) and air.
December 8th, 2020 at 11:35 AM ^
I can respect this.
To be clear, if (when) he's extended, I'll give my full support to him and the program to get it right. I would love to see him succeed! I mean, the story is just too perfect... But I have my doubts, as I've stated a few times now. :)
December 8th, 2020 at 12:20 PM ^
Oh, I have my doubts too. And although I have no interest in participating in the speculation on his demeaner post his penalty in the OSU game, something is different. Top end coaches are insane, almost by definition. If he has lost whatever that insane edge was, for whatever reason, he may be done.
Hopefully he is happy in the real world outside football. I've oftentimes speculated that's why artists lose what made them big. They get happy with themselves and their life. I won't begrudge Harbaugh that if that's what has happened. This is just football.
December 8th, 2020 at 10:51 AM ^
DC- Antonio Pierce - Up and comer in the coaching ranks. Overachieves as a recruiter as ASU.
CO-OC- Jedd Fisch - Get rid of McDaniels or find a new role for him. Put Jedd back in charge of the quarterbacks and gameplanning along with Gattis.
Dudek- Replace him
December 8th, 2020 at 8:22 AM ^
Matt Patricia
December 8th, 2020 at 8:25 AM ^
Mork Dan7onio
December 8th, 2020 at 8:25 AM ^
Harbaugh hired Derek Mason at Stanford before he went to Vandy. I think that'd be a great move and someone Harbaugh already knows.
Tem Lukabu at BC (not the head coach as someone mentioned before). He has some B1G experience at Rutgers and was a LB coach with the Bengals before becoming the BC coordinator last year. BC has way overperformed year one of Hafley and Lukabu is a big reason why. He might be a little young and this would be a big step. This might not be a first choice because of lack of experience, but he's a young star in the business.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:27 AM ^
This thread is wild. It’s like fantasy football and Madden franchise mode rolled up into one - who do we know who played here that we can bring back as a coach (never mind his coaching expertise or experience) to save us + which current P5 coach will jump at the chance to be an assistant at the vaunted Michigan program? Wow.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:09 AM ^
That's what message boards are for. Hey you know ... at another P5 program is doing awesome he is ready for a lateral move to fix our broken ... because Michigan...
Realistically there are options even some that would be a lateral move for different reasons. But those are easier to get with a new coach than one that is on the hot seat. Much easier to get when you just had a successful coordinator move to the NFL or get a head coaching job and everyone see''s the opening with the ability for immediate success.
Michigan DC, imho is ripe for success and immediate improvement. 98th scoring defense, 85th total defense, 78th rush and 91st pass defense.. So lots of areas to improve and fast as this defense has a ton of talent. But the key is the right hire for DC and any assistants.
Brown and Nua are out i'm sure. As is the lber coach which leaves imo Shoop and Zordich as possible returning coaches.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:28 AM ^
I'd think a coach recently deposed might be the best choice given Harbaughs tight contract with loads of uncertainty. If I'm a hot coach somewhere, I'd be pressed to come here when the hc might be out in a year or two.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:33 AM ^
That is a really good point. The offered contract is set up to make dismissal easier. Why would anyone sign up for that?
December 8th, 2020 at 8:42 AM ^
The realistic thought is this. I thought we were playing the Mgoblog version of fantasyland.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:43 AM ^
I love the free entertainment and laughs from the board.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:40 AM ^
Charlie Strong is an interesting candidate.
I live in the Louisville (Kentucky) area, and he was considered a great coach. He had great defenses, was young, and was a very very good recruiter (with ties to Florida). He did great at Louisville. He had back to back Conference championships, and won a game that was the biggest BCS upset of all time (against Florida).
Mack Brown was fired from Texas, and that BIG job was there for him. "Blueblood" program, lots of resources, and even in a very very fertile recruiting state.
Strong left to go there. Nobody here blamed him, because obviously Texas was a "better job". With his success at Louisville and his recruiting abilities....he was a guaranteed success. Well....that didn't work out well for Strong or Texas. Strong was fired, and then went to USF....which he was also fired from a few years later.
The guy can obviously coach, but he isn't the "hot" coach, that he once was. He needs to prove himself, again, and wouldn't be a risk to jump ship (for the better job). Bringing him in as DC would immediately help with recruiting, and he knows his football. He isn't currently employed (to my knowledge, anyway), so he would be an excellent option.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:07 AM ^
Strong was fired from USF not UCF. Otherwise, excellent comments.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:42 AM ^
I agree Charlie Strong would be an interesting hire, given his history as head coach I wonder if he would be viewed as a "coach in waiting" if/when Harbaugh leaves.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:43 AM ^
Greg Mattison
December 8th, 2020 at 8:45 AM ^
I'm groaning about growning
December 8th, 2020 at 8:45 AM ^
Double post.
Good to see you again, my old friend. It's been a while.
December 8th, 2020 at 8:52 AM ^
Derek Mason
December 8th, 2020 at 10:06 AM ^
Yeah, it's going to be Mason. Fits the JH profile.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:01 AM ^
Is it me, or has the spelling on this board taken a nosedive?
First "premis", and now "grown"?
Grown.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:03 AM ^
I caught that after it was too late.
My apologies.
Groan is the word I was looking for...
December 8th, 2020 at 9:43 AM ^
You are not wrong.
I'm as guilty as the next guy of grammar violations. English is a particular language. But you would think the OPs titles would be free of misspellings at least. I mean, it isn't some anonymous 75th post in a thread, it is the OP.
How people get to adulthood without knowing the proper spelling of losing vs loosing is absolutely beyond me. Don't you feel stupid when your 4th grade cousin corrects you for the 33rd time?
Edit: removed last line
December 8th, 2020 at 9:49 AM ^
I can see a misspell of groan - autocorrect can work wonders... What absolutely kills me is using the whole word 'cause' as a short form of 'because'. Down vote every time... I fucking HATE that!
December 8th, 2020 at 10:40 AM ^
Don’t loose you’re cool over it.
December 8th, 2020 at 11:02 AM ^
Look, I know we all have our pet peeves, feel free to down-vote this one of mine. In what circumstances did one start using "loose" over lose as an everyday word in 2020? Did he or she grow up on an archery range? In that case, I understand!
The only other use of loose is in nuts, bolts and other fixtures (and men and women). Pretty specific. How did loose become such a common misspelling. It's baffling.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:32 AM ^
Gattis....I'm torn. A coordinator in his first year at a school, that is instituting a whole sale change in philosophy, will always struggle. They have to teach a whole new way of doing things, to kids who weren't recruited for that system. So, last year was not a fair measuring tool for his ability. Throw in his being a brand new coordinator.....that makes it even harder. Some of those games he called a great game. Some of the plays he called were very good. When the kids executed those plays, then he looked like a genius. When they didn't, he looked like he had no idea what he was doing.
This year....not having normal practice time, not having Spring practice, losing your best receiver and (in some reports) the best QB RIGHT BEFORE the season (so the limited practice time he did have, he wasted on practicing with a player who wasn't going to play), having a VERY young/inexperienced receiving Corp, replacing your ENTIRE offensive line (with young and inexperienced players)....just to have the majority of that new group to get injured (which has the whole offense in shambles), and a defense that couldn't stop a toddler (so he's constantly playing from behind).....isn't really fair on him either.
He's young, and has shown promise in his scheme, recruiting, and (at his previous stops) at coaching WR.
HOWEVER, with all that said. Yes, he's shown the ability to call a good game, but some of his decisions are just mind blowing (Wildcat on the one yard line, when you have 2 downs to work with your 6'5 240lbs QB, for example). Throw that in with the fact that Major Applewhite is sitting there as an analyst for Alabama (having EXCELLENT OC experience and even HC experience), and it would be foolish to not to kick those tires, for interest.
The rational version of me thinks Gattis could be very successful here, with another season. That Applewhite would be a "pipedream", and he wouldn't come anyway, because he's looking to go back to being a HC.
The irrational version of me thinks entirely different. Lol
December 8th, 2020 at 11:07 AM ^
Didn't Applewhite get in trouble for something back in the day? Affair with a university student, no way Michigan ever hires him.
December 8th, 2020 at 11:26 AM ^
Probably not. Honestly, I think he'd be an amazing pickup. However, I think Alabama will probably offer him something more, or he goes for another shot at a HC job (I'm sure someone would take him....Bobby Petrino and Urban Meyer got jobs after the exact same scandal....Meyer being more a well known secret than the public knowledge that Petrino had).
Saban isn't exactly a spring chicken. I wouldn't be surprised if Saban and Alabama go the route of Bowden/Fisher, Stoops/Riley, and Meyer/Day. The massively successful coach hands the keys to the car to his "understudy", and retires knowing what he built will be maintained by "his guy".
Steve Sarkisian may be that guy. If that's the case, then Applewhite could be on staff, ready to take over that OC position. Which...OC at Alabama is the premier non HC job in College Football.