Hassan Haskins Arrested [*]
https://twitter.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1674902755859726337?s=46&t=YXXTrff0vpVh7gTCt8t3Tg
Extremely disappointing, disgusting, and disgraceful. I hope he gets the mental help he needs.
( [*] I just completed heavily editing this thread to remove a lot of sniping and some politically motivated side comments. I would like to keep the reminder of the thread up and open rather than deleting it completely; however, a thread lock 🔒 remains an option if the thread again goes off the rails. -rob f)
Hassan is a people.
People often times make horrible choices.
Hopefully he can figure his life out
Because he's still hurdling fools in Ohio
Cute.
It's not supposed to be cute..
People fuck up every day. No doubt you should never lay hands on your significant other but it has happened countless times in human history.
To sit up here on your high horse is laughable. The man made a mistake.
Our society has become so quick to judge from the safety of their keyboards.
Yeah, a lot of people quick to judge. Here's a full article about what apparently happened. Sounds like a Mr. and Mrs. Smith situation.
he saw that she "liked" another man's Instagram photo. The two got into an argument, resulting in Green allegedly throwing Haskins' shoes on the floor. Haskins allegedly told her to stop, and when Green didn't, he pushed her to the ground, then tossed her on a bed, where he used both hands to strangle her.
This doesn’t sound like Mr. & Mrs. Smith. He’s a professional football player - an elite athlete with superior physical traits and she’s a female. They are not exactly equal combatants.
Maybe people are quick to judge, but I know any time an MSU, OSU, or even PSU current or former player is arrested, there’s not a whole lot of “let’s wait and see before we jump to conclusions” being posted on here. Haskins doesn’t get a pass because he played football at Michigan.
My Dad always taught me that you never raise your hand on a woman. It’s a cowards move.
There is a difference however between a mean spirited abusive bully and a relationship that has passion, emotion and fire, that leads to mutual aggression.
One type is who they are and the other wakes up with serious regret.
I don’t like it either way but I don’t consider them the same people.
Your dad is so correct. It's simple, you walk away.
Every side has a story and I don't see no bruises on either of their face.
Couple of dipshits doing dipshittery.
Hopefully they break up for good, Hassan can learn how to respect and treat women, and his psycho ex can fuck off into obscurity.
Idc about his football career, he was lucky to break into the league and if this is the stake through the heart that's on him.
She’s as guilty as he.
A lot of things have happened countless times in human history that can't easily be forgiven.
I don't think it's sitting on a high horse to feel this is completely unacceptable and that I do not want to see someone in an admired position in society (like a professional football player) who thinks it's ever OK to strangle a woman. He could easily have killed her.
It's unfortunate, but if what's been printed is true, he should not be allowed to represent a team in the NFL. It's not just a fuck up.
If the woman punches me in the face would it be acceptable to strangle her?
What if she had my child hostage and I snuck up behind her ninja style and put her in a choke hold. Would that be acceptable to you?
Nobody in this motherfucking thread unless Hassan or his girl are here has any idea what happened.
I'm not trying to excuse domestic violence. It's a terrible act. Violence should never be the answer in your personal relationships.
But we're all so quick to judge and if society is every going to get better we need to knock that shit off.
Sure, but that's why I wrote, "if what's printed is true..." No question he should have a fair hearing on this. When it gets to the judging stage, that's essential. However... those hypotheticals. No. Yes.
And we have some idea what happened, because it's a police matter.
If society is ever going to get better, we have to hold even the people we admire to a certain standard, probably even a higher one. And I think a man putting his hands around a woman's neck is impossible to justify unless it's something like the ninja hypothetical.
Nobody in this motherfucking thread unless Hassan or his girl are here has any idea what happened.
I understand that. But those were some hard hitting opening questions. Might want to sit this next one out. Nobody is happy about this, if they count. But I agree with you.
Are you saying no one should ever judge anyone for anything? That seems wrong. There are things people should not do, and should be looked down on for doing. That doesn't mean they can't get a second chance, but I see no reason not to be critical of an action like this and think less of someone for it
He should be judged but some people will label and treat him as perma-Satan and that isn’t right either. He should plead to something, deferred, and complete probation and anger management to have it wiped. And these two should never consider being in a relationship with each other again.
Hassan can no doubt redeem himself someday. But I don’t feel like I’m on a very high horse when I say I would never point a gun at someone. And I say this as someone who was assaulted by my then girlfriend
But I don’t feel like I’m on a very high horse when I say I would never point a gun at someone.
I don’t think you’re on a high horse but I also think you’re in a pretty nice situation and have had a nice life to be able to say that you would ‘never’
In true sincerity, can you tell me what you mean by this?
happy to.
someone was trying to carjack my car at a gas station ….. with my wife and kids in it.
you bet your ass I pulled my gun and had full intention of using it. thankfully I didn’t have to and he ran
soldiers, police officers, etc.
saying youd “never pull a gun” means you have a pretty nice set of life circumstances
He pulled it on his girlfriend in a fight, not to defend someone. Why is everyone talking about hypotheticals or 'I'd never'? There's only one thing that is reported to have happened. I'm not saying condemn the guy forever, but the large scale upset response to "I'm disappointed this guy I've been a fan of did a bad thing" seems unwarranted. Are we so tied to people we're fans of that we can't even acknowledge when someone did something wrong?
I am not talking in hypotheticals. I wasn’t even talking about this story. I simply responded to what you posted.
If what you meant to say was you’d never pull a gun on a significant other, then maybe post that.
don’t get upset with me for responding to what you posted if what you posted was so vague as to be unclear on the actual meaning. It’s on you to communicate what you mean clearly, not on me to “read into it” and guess what you “really” mean
You're confusing me with the other guy above who posted the 'I would never' thing. I was responding to both of you critically for not talking about this story, and complicating the situation around Haskins which seems relatively straightforward
i don’t have to talk about the story. i’m free to comment on whatever I want. you’re free to be critical of whatever you want. no one is complicating the story around Haskins.
All of this is getting really complicated.
You're clearly right - that's about as good an example of when it's reasonable to pull a gun. In protection of others. That's exactly what the person you're responding to said, and it's a fair distinction to make.
Here's what I see, though: Haskins didn't pull a gun on a stranger trying to harm his family. He pulled a gun on someone he knows, and presumably loves. In this situation, it's a completely unreasonable escalation of an already violent interaction.
I think that's the spirit of the "I would never pull a gun on someone" statement, albeit not the letter of what he said.
he posted a comment. It’s not on me to “guess” what he “really meant to say”
it’s on him to communicate clearly.
what he clearly communicated is he would “never” pull a gun. I simply said “well, you must have a nice situation”
Oh, I agree. It's not on you to guess, 100%. I was just seeking to clarify after the fact, because that was how I interpreted it. You happened to read his statement more literally than I did. That's all.
Yea. I just don’t read into things. I take things as said/presented. Can make things more difficult. My wife has informed me many times of my failure to grasp nuance
It's also really tough in a discussion like this, when things are really being broken down and people are getting heated/impassioned. If you assume a baseline of "yes, there are exceptional circumstances where we can all agree X would be appropriate", then statements like his get read the way he intended.
In a place with no baseline consensus (like an internet argument), you have to be a lot more specific. Otherwise, people pick out that one thing that sounds off and run with it. It's a really easy way to get sidetracked.
My wife says the same thing to me, by the way.
“Haskins reportedly strangled her after she 'Liked' another man's Instagram photo.
In a subsequent argument over their breakup, Haskins reportedly kicked through a door in their home and cocked a handgun, and stated, “I hope you would,” as she threatened to slash his tires after ripping a $5,000 chain from his neck.”
Allegations need to be proven, but strangling a woman and kicking down a door while armed with a gun aren’t just “mistakes.” Nevertheless, there are multiple upvotes for the “just a mistake argument.” If the guy had been a former Spartan or Buckeye, most here would be talking about how awful he is and be ready to send him to prison. Fans need to realize they don’t really know any of these players, and someone isn’t automatically a good guy just because he played for your team.
lol @ calling out disgusting and indefensible acts as being on a high horse.
And then calling out someone for being on a high horse...from the safety of a keyboard.
🤣🤣🤣
Criticizing a former player for choking his girlfriend and then threatening her with a gun is "sitting up on a high horse."
JFC
I think we can all agree that "mistakes" have varying degrees of severity. He didn't accidentally leave a restaurant without paying for a meal. He didn't fill out a tax form incorrectly.
I agree with you about how our society has become quick to judge from behind our keyboards. But here's the thing: there are lines that, as a man, you don't cross. Violence against women is one of them. And yes, that includes "even if they hit you first". To answer your question below: if a woman punches you in the face, it is not ok to strangle her.
If she has your child hostage, that's a different situation. But you already know that—you're just making disingenuous arguments because you choose to prioritize the fact that Hassan Haskins was good at football at Michigan.
I choose to prioritize something else, because my belief is that, if someone is going to strangle a woman, the overall threat to yourself or public safety must be greater than the amount of the threat you pose to her. That wasn't the case here. It was "hand to hand". He had the physical ability to STOP her rather than to harm her. He chose harm instead.
When faced with a problem, we all have a subconscious series of options available to us. That's one of the benefits of being humans. We have a solution set in our minds in times of tension and escalation.
Somewhere along the line, Hassan Haskins included "do violence to my girlfriend" in his solution set. That's enough to make me question my fandom of the guy. The fact that it was not only an option, but the course of action he CHOSE...seals the deal.
Oh, for pete's sake. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone does not strangle people. Men who assault women don't deserve understanding. They deserve prison. What is wrong with some fans.
high horse? Is this another lockerroom talk analogy?
Ah its always "mental health" - if not for mental health funding this would not happen. Don't forget to blame the violence in video games, and how women are portayed in music videos and whatever else. It's never about the guy being a jerk.
He doesnt get a pass just because he played well against OSU. Neither do Brendan Gibbons, Taylor Lewan, or Frank Clark. Those last 3 ended up having multiple incidents and well they are generally black balled from Michigan fan talk. Hopefully he becomes more of a Billy Taylor situation than those 3.
Summary for those of us who don't have Twitter?
Summary: Twitter sucks and your life will be objectively better by avoiding.
I've never been on it, but it's nice to know I'm at least 1 rung up from complete bottom. 😂
Strangled his girlfriend after she liked another man’s Instagram picture, kicked through a door and cocked a handgun to threaten her in a different exchange. Should be noted both were arrested so this was a two-sided affair, but still awful nonetheless.
A little more than liking someone's instagram but they're both in big trouble. Gonna go ahead and say their relationship is kinda rocky.
Haskins told police that Green attacked him with a broom, strangled him from behind, threw his PS5 from upstairs and put a hole in the wall. He provided a video to police of her attacking him and showed them a red bump on his neck.
Haskins was jailed for the first incident and now is free on a $10,000 bond. Green was jailed for the second incident and charged with two counts of felony aggravated assault/strangulation and felony vandalism. She is free on a $7,500 bond.
Yikes, thanks for the summary for those of us who are not, uh, Twitterers. Sounds like it's time for that couple to "decouple" and stay faaaaar away from each other - forever.
I didn't see anything about a gun in the ESPN article
Or other articles I've found. Still terrible, but that's a pretty significant detail.
Both people had a lack of mental health services. Just ask half the country. Otherwise just another day in Ohio.
I see where you're coming from, in that "mental health" is seemingly used as a scapegoat.
It is also a very real problem in that access to mental health services is very challenging for some, and it does need to be addressed by being financed adequately while also being destigmatized.
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Here's a more readily accessible link:
Sounds like a toxic relationship with some volatile moments.
Hopefully both get help and move onto healthier situations in life.
Sounds like they took things way to far. At any point he is the NFL sized athlete and will always have the upper hand and therefore the responsibility to maintain his physical restraint. No excuses.