11w sure ain't worried about Michigan

Submitted by Swayze Howell Sheen on September 20th, 2020 at 12:44 PM

Just including results from a poll over at 11w about the biggest threads to OSU's championship drive:

As you can see, Michigan barely registers; it's just COVID and PSU. Maybe that's just where we are these days, but it sure would be nice to raise the threat level with an upset this year.

That said, I just heard a rumor: One UM player cut this graphic out and pasted it onto his locker, so he could see it each day as added motivation. He rises earlier than the others, trains harder than the others, and has been getting better faster than people thought possible. His name, you might have heard: Joe Milton. And he has one thing on his mind: Beating those damn Bucks.

mitchewr

September 20th, 2020 at 6:50 PM ^

Lol such a joke. “Rebuilding year”

Face it folks, we are what we are. And what we are is NOT a national power, NOT a program that will beat OSU, NOT a championship program. And sad to say, this won’t ever change until / if we get a coach capable of building that caliber of a program. Harbaugh’s a good coach, but he’s not a championship caliber coach. 

WeimyWoodson

September 20th, 2020 at 12:59 PM ^

If this is a new pole how would Milton have used this as motivation already? I get what you're doing but come on.

The only real advantage Michigan has this year over OSU is no crowd at the game. Everything else they have the advantage. Tell me one position group of ours you would rather have over theirs?

uminks

September 21st, 2020 at 1:54 AM ^

OSU was just lucky that our program was down and out when college football finally installed a playoff system It is sad, if this new playoff system started 15 years ago, Michigan would be in the catbird seat not OSU. I think our only hope is if the playoffs are expanded to 8 teams and we may get in with one loss.

lilpenny1316

September 20th, 2020 at 1:03 PM ^

It's true. Let's say all of our guys come back. They still have advantages at every position on the field.

The X-factor is mid-December weather. Hopefully, we snuck the Dantonio weather machine out of EL while they were busy getting turned down by Fickell.

Indy Pete - Go Blue

September 20th, 2020 at 1:29 PM ^

Probably because it is one of the greatest rivalries in all of sport. Despite dominating us for nearly the last two decades, they still ache from decades of thrashings. We also have more national championships, more B1G championships, and a winning record head-to-head.  They hate those facts. They also hate the academic prestige of our university. And, if you cannot tell, their whole state relentlessly obsesses over Michigan year round. 

blueheron

September 20th, 2020 at 2:12 PM ^

Decades of thrashings? Do you possibly have that backwards? I see only two decades of thrashings here and we got the a$$ end of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan%E2%80%93Ohio_State_football_rivalry

Michigan has one "shared" (the Osborne thing still grinds my gears) national championship since 1950. Do you think any of those hillbillies care about what happened before then (or even 1970)?

I'll buy the part about academic prestige. They're insecure about that. Only a subset of fans really care, though.

Indy Pete - Go Blue

September 20th, 2020 at 2:23 PM ^

I am familiar with the arbitrary assignment of 1950 as the year to keep score - but why would any Michigan fan voluntarily support that narrative?  Games before 1950 also happened and count towards the totals. I am very familiar with the history of the rivalry, and I confirmed what I had recalled when I looked at the website. Michigan thrashed Ohio State for many decades. Period.

Let’s not get off track here either - I am arguing that this is one of the greatest rivalries in sport.  And there’s a lot more to it than the accurate recounting of the decades of thrashings that Michigan has handed Ohio State. Do you not think it is one of the greatest rivalries in sport? Many no longer do, and they are entitled to that opinion. I am entitled to mine as well.  Just don’t set up a strawman argument by insinuating that things before 1950 do not count.

And yes, I sincerely believe that ‘those hillbillies’ care quite about about things before 1970 and 1950. The all-time record means a lot to them. The total of Big Ten championships (42-38) and national championships (11-8) is meaningful and irksome to them.  When those happened certainly has relevance to the current state of the rivalry, but the total numbers are meaningful data points that I refuse to dismiss. What can I say? I cheer for Michigan, and I like to focus on their accomplishments. If I cheered for Ohio State, I would try to drive the narrative towards 1950 as well, but I don’t.  I say: let their fan websites try the approach that dismisses the humbling part of the history of the rivalry.

blueheron

September 20th, 2020 at 2:50 PM ^

Geez, you went all "michgoblue" on me with verbosity. To your points:

Michigan thrashed Ohio State for many decades. Period.

Look at that Wiki page again. It is arguably also the case that Ohio State thrashed Michigan for many decades. Change my mind.

Do you not think it is one of the greatest rivalries in sport?

I didn't write that, but now that you ask ...

There's lots of history there, sure, but it's mostly a Bo vs. Woody thing. (Let's not forget that the Big Ten was 1-9 in the Rose Bowl in the '70s. The rivalry's national significance was overrated even in its peak years.) I don't think its reputation is fully deserved at this point. It's running on fumes. I don't think it's currently one of the greatest rivalries in sport. Others have eclipsed it. I'm open to the idea of its resurgence. (I don't think the MSU-Indiana rivalry will ever have any significance.)

Just don’t set up a strawman argument by insinuating that things before 1950 do not count.

They count, yes. I believe they're less important that what's happened in the last seventy years.

The all-time record means a lot to them. The total of Big Ten championships (42-38) and national championships (11-8) is meaningful and irksome to them.

I think that's fair.

Sorry, that was pretty long-winded, too.

Let'sGoBlue22

September 20th, 2020 at 1:35 PM ^

This is the worst of both worlds:

Their fans have no respect - they mock us at each opportunity.

Their coaches and players have enormous respect - and they spend every waking hour obsessing over beating Michigan.

That combination means: losses and suffering from an annoying fanbase with a chip on their shoulders.

OSUMC Wolverine

September 20th, 2020 at 2:04 PM ^

i assure you there is no chip on anyone's shoulders in columbus. the ongoong enjoyment ohio state fans have beating michigan is enjoying the perception of michigan fans superiority mentality and crushing it year after year. beating the michigan football program is no longer celebrated...it just is how things are supposed to be. it pains me to live it every day in columbus.

East German Judge

September 20th, 2020 at 2:12 PM ^

Here is a sad point to ponder, while there is no doubt they have had a talent advantage over us for many years recently, it is still smaller than the talent advantage we had over msu pre dantonyee.

Even with that much bigger talent difference between us and msu, they would win maybe 3 times every decade, but we seem to not be able to do that against osu.

Any thoughts why....

uminks

September 21st, 2020 at 2:12 AM ^

It's called having elite talent. Look at their recruiting since Urban arrived. Being the only perennial playoff team in our conference has helped that recruiting edge. Too bad Harbaugh could not beat them in 2016. I think Harbaugh will always be in catch up mode but will fall short unless he can develop a phenom QB. I think it will eventually happen and then may be the tide will turn. At least I hope so.

WolverineHistorian

September 20th, 2020 at 3:04 PM ^

My pain is knowing what it was once like.  Between the ages of 5 and 21, only 4 losses to OSU.     That is a TON of wins that filled by childhood into my 20's.  It was one of the favorite topics at the dinner table at Thanksgiving...yet another win over the Buckeyes.  So naturally, I was spoiled.  I actually got pumped up for this game.  And whenever a buckeye player or coach would shoot his mouth off to the media about how they were going to "kick Michigan's ass," I felt even more confident, because they could never back it up on the field.  It was glorious. 

Now, I can't even convince myself we'll make it close.  Part of it was seven straight years of RichRod/Hoke where I had zero confidence we could beat ANYBODY.  But last year when finally playing well in November didn't make a difference and the year before ten straight victories didn't make a difference, where do you look for any ray of hope?  A little bulletin board chart?  How much is that really going to work against OSU's plethora of 5 stars at every position?  

Erik_in_Dayton

September 20th, 2020 at 3:27 PM ^

We are about the same age. I'm grateful that I got to experience the late '80s and the '90s. In fact, I wouldn't trade winning then for winning now, because I cared more when I was a kid.

Now I'm close to numb when it comes to the Game. I used to enjoy teasing OSU fans and being teased in return, but now I have no comebacks. And, maybe worse than that, the OSU fans I know mostly don't even bother to talk trash anymore. What is there to say that isn't obvious?

 

NeverPunt

September 20th, 2020 at 1:37 PM ^

Can you blame them? Our most competitive games with them have been 2016, and then a bunch of “well you tried hard” Brady Hoke teams. It sucks but I wouldn’t be too concerned if I were them either. Doesn’t mean we can’t ever beat them again but it’s fair for them to see more of a threat elsewhere. 

MGoRob

September 20th, 2020 at 1:59 PM ^

Well, the comments on the poll only started today on 11W, suggesting it was posted late last night or this morning. So this "rumor" that a UM players cut this graphic out and pasted it onto his locker for motivation seems a bit too quick to believe it's true.

The Oracle 2

September 20th, 2020 at 2:14 PM ^

If Michigan is going to beat OSU, a skill player or two need to have amazing games, something that hasn’t happened in years, probably because it’s been a long time since Michigan had those kinds of players. People love to blame the coaching, but the fact is that OSU has had better players and no one at Michigan has played far enough over their heads to offset the talent gap.