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Brian April 29th, 2019 at 1:17 PM

The draft happened. Michigan results:

  • Devin Bush went 10th overall to Pittsburgh, after Detroit took a tight end. Later, the Lions would take another tight end. Keep on Detroiting, Detroit, the Bush family thanks you.
  • Rashan Gary went 12th overall to Green Bay, which immediately called him an outside linebacker. This was overshadowed by the general Giants-ing going on. For the record, drafting Rashan Gary as a specialist pass rusher is a Bad Idea.
  • Chase Winovich went in the third round to the Patriots, because of course he did. He said he was "awaiting further instruction" before talking to the media, demonstrating that he was already advanced in the ways of Belichick-fu. The Patriots then threatened to cut his hair, because of course they did. 
  • David Long went a couple picks later to the Rams. That seems like the Michigan steal of the draft to me. Long was hurt because no one dared throw at him. Criticisms of his game are about his height and how that hurts him on 50/50 balls, which I get but he put up a sub-4 shuttle at the combine and should be an elite nickel.
  • Zach Gentry overcame the ugly combine numbers to get drafted in the fifth round, also by the Steelers. That second TE the Lions took was Isaac Nauta, former five star everyone was desperate to get after. He went in the seventh. Recruiting is important—this year's five-star first round hit rate was off the charts—but it is funny how things work out sometimes. Behind The Steel curtain's scouting round-up on him has one of the sentences I feel deep in my core: "Warning, some of the tracks that accompany these videos contains profanity and most of the music is fairly bad."

Karan Higdon didn't get drafted, which says something about running backs in the modern NFL. If you aren't a major piece of the passing game it's a tough world out there.

[After: they Giants'd so hard they're now the Jets]

Speaking of the general Giants-ing. This may be peak People Are Just In Charge Of Things after the Giants picked a mediocre Duke QB 6th overall:

Three series. All Star game. "Professional quarterback" based on eye test. The Giants are doomed. But good move, Shea Patterson?

Trial stuff! Dan Wetzel on the latest in Yet Another FBI NCAA Corruption Trial. This is one of the most convincing assertions why this stuff is actually wrong—not technically wrong, or wrong in the eyes of the NCAA, or legally wrong, but, you know, unethical:

It would be more acceptable if this was about players getting some money — even if it was under the table. But what’s clear as you watch all of this is that it is rarely the actual player getting the money. It’s maybe a family member. Or maybe a hanger-on. It's maybe an intermediary, who has set up an entire business around working angles and then tricking kids into bad decisions.

Consider that college assistants offered no hesitation in steering their very own players to this crew.

Yet the assistants had no knowledge of these guys’ acumen, no reason to believe they’d be good at handling money or negotiating contracts. Blazer was the supposed financial guy, but he’d lost his trading license and is a complete snake who has pleaded guilty to numerous federal felonies related to stealing about $2.3 million from his clients. He's facing as many as 67 years in prison.

The undercover agent was, obviously, a complete fake and not qualified for any of these jobs. And Dawkins, as street-smart and ambitious as he is, was in his early 20s not an actual sports agent.

You could hardly find a worse team to represent a young multi-millionaire athlete, but no one cared to even consider that, research that, look into that.

The occasional attempts to rehabilitate guys in the recruiting black market as Robin Hood are badly misguided. Everyone's in it for themselves, and any benefit someone actually doing the work accrues is by accident or necessity.

Also in trial stuff, further wiretap discussions that put the thing everyone knows in the light:

The undercover video recordings with coaches and testimony also revealed interesting highlights, including a discussion that Clemson assistant coach Steve Smith said he had with the father of Zion Williamson. In the video, Smith and aspiring business manager Christian Dawkins talked about the struggle to compete with schools like North Carolina, Kentucky and Duke, where Williamson eventually enrolled.

Government witness Marty Blazer said in the video that those schools "have people in place who will be able to pay for whatever is necessary" to help recruit Williamson.

Honestly Michigan should just announce they're going to pay guys over the table and see what happens. It would be exciting! And maybe some of it would take place during the day.

Michigan hockey… summer? This is not how it's supposed to go:

Hayhurst had an 12-11-23 line in 36 games as a sophomore. If you're interested Sad ECAC Facts, here's one: Hayhurst led RPI in scoring both years. With 23 points. Yikes.

A guy with Hayhurst's profile is likely to be worth putting on the ice regularly. He's got 20, 23, and 23 points over the last three years for a terrible team in a defensively-oriented league. He was one of the NCAA forwards most likely to be involved in any particular scoring play where he was on the ice. His scoring drop last year came as he dropped from a shooting percentage of 14 (unsustainable) to 5 (unsustainable the other way). Give him some better teammates and get an increment better and he could be a solid secondary scorer on the second or third line.

Hayhurst is the second grad transfer Michigan's picked up in the last month; the first was BU defenseman Shane Switzer. Switzer is a Michigan native who averaged about nine games a year for the Terriers and is going to be a walk-on (one assumes), so he doesn't exacerbate the recruiting clown car. Hayhurst is from Ontario and could be expected to take a regular shift, so he's either a beaver pelt scion who doesn't care about international tuition at M or he might be occupying a slot. My take on next year's hockey roster is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Either way, I applaud Michigan yoinking the top scorer from one of the schools undoubtedly voting to keep college hockey's postseason the way it is. Add in Emil Ohrvall, seen here assisting on a Hayhurst goal in 2017…

…and Michigan is going to be playing two-thirds of what would otherwise be RPI's top line.

Etc.: Amen, Penn State student journalist: get NCAA regionals on campus. Part of the problem: the application process is ridiculous. Ann Arbor is not in the midst of a building boom. No Michigan players in the first round of the Athletic's 2020 mock.

Comments

IncrediblySTIFF

April 29th, 2019 at 4:00 PM ^

yeah, there's a thread that I avoided out there about the topic.

I don't care enough to make a big deal about it here, but strongly disagree that reading an update about michigan drafts less than 24 hours after an episode airs I should expect to have major plot points shared in the comments

 

whatever though

Don

April 29th, 2019 at 1:53 PM ^

The Michigan record for TDs in a season is 25, shared by Grbac and Henne.

35-40? Probably not happening. 

Just to illustrate the vast difference between our numbers and Haskins last year:

Haskins: 50 TDs in 533 attempts.

The greatest number of passing attempts by a UM QB is 456 by Navarre in '03, throwing 24 TDs.

 

jwfsouthpaw

April 29th, 2019 at 2:50 PM ^

This is more reflective of Michigan's offense being stuck in the time when the gold standard for NFL QBs was 3,000 yards and 30 TDs.  35-40 TDs for Shea is definitely possible with the returning pieces IF Michigan actually modernizes its offense.  I'd guess that Michigan's offense takes a leap forward with Gattis, but not that big of a leap.

Watching From Afar

April 29th, 2019 at 3:22 PM ^

Sticking with QBs who have operated within systems similar to what Gattis is going to run:

Patterson =/= McSorley, but he capped out at 28 and 29 TDs in 2016 and 2017. I think Patterson is better than him on the whole as a passer, but I also don't think he'll throw the YOLO deep passes for DPJ/Collins/Black to come down with as often as McSorley just prayed for Godwin/Gesicki to win 50/50 balls. He seems more risk adverse since leaving Ole Miss and a little unwilling to take chances. Maybe it was because the defense could win games so long as he didn't turn into JOK and this year he will let it rip more to win games.

Patterson also =/= Tua, but Alabama went out and tried to pile drive teams (no matter how good they were) into the core of the Earth from the opening kick. He hit 43 TDs last year but that is way high.

30 TDs would be a good year and if Patterson hits that without significantly increasing the negative plays, Michigan should be in business. Anything over 30 would be gravy IMO.

McDoomButt

April 29th, 2019 at 1:55 PM ^

It's a reasonable take at this point, but I'd be shocked if we don't have a single player go in the first round of the draft.

Between Shea Patterson, DPJ, Tarik Black, Nico Collins, and Lavert Hill, at least one or two of those guys will blow up this year.

Gentleman Squirrels

April 29th, 2019 at 2:03 PM ^

It’s weird that only one of those you mentioned is a defensive player. Goes to show how many big time players we have lost in the last couple drafts and how young the playmakers on the team are. I’m looking forward to Ross, Paye, and Hutchinson to take that next step and hopefully Vilain, Jeter, McGrone, and Thomas to show what made them so highly rated coming out of high school.

Watching From Afar

April 29th, 2019 at 2:03 PM ^

Long seems like the peak for Hill. He won't test as well as Long did and is in the Jourdan Lewis mold (without the massive accolades) and Lewis went in the 3rd. Part of that had to do with the DV charge that he won in court, but still.

Looking at PSU in 2017, they had WRs with 850, 700, and 450 yards receiving. They had Barkley and Gesicki haul in another 1,200 yards between them so without a RB or TE like that on the roster we could assume more of those yards go to the big 3. But I'd still venture a guess that the 3 top WRs end with something like 900/800/600 or something like that. Patterson would have to eclipse all Michigan passing records to get enough targets out to those 3 plus McKeon/Eubanks/Martin/Bell/Sainistril.

Next year's draft is supposed to have a deep QB group as well.

bronxblue

April 29th, 2019 at 3:00 PM ^

I don't disagree, but at least with WRs the NFL tends to base a lot of their drafting on measurables that might not translate into insane college success.  For example, D.J. Moore went a couple years ago in the first and had somewhat middling (for college) stats, and that was as the key receiving threat on a Maryland team that was focused heavily on offense.  

I don't know if DPJ or Black will get drafted in the first round (Black more because of his injury history), but an NFL team will absolutely look at DPJ and figure they can better use him in the NFL than he was used in college.

Watching From Afar

April 29th, 2019 at 3:14 PM ^

Absolutely. DPJ had a Sparq score as a junior in HS that would have put him in the top 10 of draftable WRs that year IIRC. He is a NFL caliber WR when it comes to athleticism (and production if they'd throw him the ball more).

WRs are a hard thing to project for drafts because outside of the absolute studs like Julio Jones/Calvin Johnson it all depends on who needs WRs and when do they need them/fit. The Pats took Harry, for example. Who saw a Pac 12 WR from ASU (though he did have two 1,000 yard seasons) with average speed getting picked in the 1st over a lot of other big name guys? Or Hollywood Brown, a 5'9" guy with some injury problems, going before him? Debo Samuel went before AJ Brown too which I thought was odd.

Not many teams draft the "best available" (except the Giants last year with Barkley) and that means a lot of NFL teams will take DEs/QBs/OTs/CBs and maybe even LBs before they grab a WR unless that WR is the best guy on the board. If given an A WR or an A DE, a lot of teams would take the DE because they could grab the WR later or a B+ WR and be fine with it.

Fezzik

April 29th, 2019 at 8:33 PM ^

I think in order, Shea, Hill, and Bredeson are the 1st three Michigan draftees next season. If Shea blows up he could go in the 1st. I think he's likely a 2nd. If Long and Jordan Lewis couldn't get drafted better than the 3rd round I find it hard to believe Hill goes higher either, 3rd round for him. Bredeson was our best OL last year and will be again. I think he goes in the 3rd. I doubt any WR goes pro early for us.

 

CalifExile

April 29th, 2019 at 2:01 PM ^

"this stuff is actually wrong—not technically wrong, or wrong in the eyes of the NCAA, or legally wrong, but, you know, unethical."

That would be Malum in Se (Mala in Se is the plural). Wrong of it's own nature. The contrast is Malum Prohibidum - wrong because it is prohibited.

East German Judge

April 29th, 2019 at 3:55 PM ^

EXACTLY!!!  The lie-downs are the NFL's black hole as careers come here to DIE!  BTW, Barry and Calvin agree with this.

But all the stafford slappies will still stick up for him!  Tom Brady turns WRs & TEs into household names, matt stafford, well, just collects a big paycheck and loses to .500 teams 90% of the time!!!

I'mTheStig

April 29th, 2019 at 8:29 PM ^

But all the stafford slappies

I'm a Stafford slappie.  I truly believe we'd be talking about him in the same breath as Brady, Brees, or Payton had he'd gone to a competent team.

Who the fuck have the Lions had coaching him?  Rhetorical question.  Stafford is just another casualty of that black hole you mention.  The Lions would have fucked up Tom Brady.

gobluem

April 29th, 2019 at 2:36 PM ^

He was the same exact player in Indy that he was in Detroit. He just got more volume because Indy had fewer talented receiving options than Detroit did

 

In Indy last year he averaged 6.82 yards per target, 11.4 yards per catch, and caught 60% of balls thrown his way

In his career with Detroit, he averaged 7.14 yards per target, 11.1 yards per catch, and caught 64% of balls thrown his way

 

Difference was that Ebron never got more than 86 targets a year in Detroit, but he got 110  targets in Indy last year . So you can see that the difference in his stats is purely volume...they are not getting any difference in performance from him or using him in a better way. We sent those targets to Tate, Jones, Riddick, Golladay, Boldin, Calvin Johnson one year, etc

 

The Colts had TY Hilton and Ebron and that's it.

footballguy

April 29th, 2019 at 3:00 PM ^

I have long stated that Detroit sucks the life out of pro athletes (except Hockey). Look at the list of guy to have success individually and win a championship after leaving Detroit? There's a decent list as of late 

Ebron was a product of this. I think he's immature, but he's now in a legit organization with a QB who actually gives a shit in a city that doesn't suck the life out of athletes. 

M go Bru

April 29th, 2019 at 3:33 PM ^

Cutting Ebron was the much needed wake-up call for this immature player. If we kept him in Detroit I'm still convinced he would have continued ..............to suck. Reminds me of Roy Williams who the Lions were fortunate to unload to the Cowboys for a high draft pick. Same constant first down signalling regardless of how meaningful the first downs were.

bronxblue

April 29th, 2019 at 2:54 PM ^

The whole Gettleman discussion surrounding Jones is fascinating.  The guy who got rid of OBJ said he thought Jones showed that the "real swag was no swag", which if you said that out loud shouldn't be surprised to hear dogs start barking, that's how naked that dog whistling was.  Combined with the fact that nothing about Jones fit into the typical Giants model; they prefer a passing attack with accurate deep throws and limited QB movement, which sure sounds like Haskins more than a guy from Duke who barely completed 60% of his throws and couldn't crack 7 ypa.  But whatever, I'm sure this was an objective decision based on all available information.

I feel bad for Higdon not getting drafted, as the big revelation from the camp circuit was he had solid hands.  Hopefully he'll get a chance on the Texans.  I also hope he succeeds because the number of asshole UM fans who came out of the woodwork to harrumph about him skipping a fucking bowl game against Florida should be shown up for their condescending, faux morality BS.  My guess is the Venn diagram of those people and the ones who shit on Gary about his 9 on the Wonderlic would be single circle.

And Brian is 1000% right about the recruiting violations and how the guys who benefit, more times than not, aren't the players.  At least if you give the money directly to the players above the table you can cut out all the "uncles" and guys in rented 7-series who hang around outside gyms who currently benefit from it.