Lol, true. It’s time for me to sign out. For the record there is not one post defending him. Asking UM to look inside their own glass house, guilty. Saying that we should wait until all of the facts are out, guilty. Sarcasm and being a jerk, guilty and guilty. It would be great if we could stop the circus and wait for facts and a decision before we all play internet tough guys and espouse things we know little of, but hey, it just doesn’t work like that in the age of social media.
Since you asked nicely, I’m going to delete my account. Rest easy, if the facts are as alleged you will be losing to coach Day this year instead of coach Meyer. Just chill on the pitchforks until the very capable committee that has been appointed provides us all with their findings. Peace
Have you looked at this board??! Since the story broke every post, save 2 or 3, has been about OSU. Practice has started but the board is fixated on this topic and yes, reveling in the lose/lose proposition OSU faces. If I knew how to post a screenshot I would, just take a look. (Ps. I have way worse posts than this)
If you read the article, it’s super hard for technical reasons, but hey if some drunk homers found something nobody else could, power too them. It’s been the same excuses forever. Please, just please win against us soon. It used to mean something when we played the last game of the year. Being so one sided for such long periods of time isn’t good for the rivalry It wasn’t good under Cooper and it’s not good under Hoke/RichRod/Harbaugh/next up/...
The refs will always be to blame, not the miscues that contributed to the game being in overtime in the first place and so precariously perched the game on a referee’s spot.
Is there a better way to do this? Maybe, but it seems super hard.
Other sports, after all, have found precise ways to plot out ball movement. Tennis has the electronic line judge, and baseball has PITCHf/x tools that produce glorious strike-zone plots, like this one from Brooks Baseball, though it doesn’t actually use them in games:
You are saying exactly what I am saying, sans sarcasm. There is no need to get upset about the pre season polls. Beat ND and you crack the top 10 (maybe) by week 2. It’s not that far away.
The schism will be simple, if he stays or is fired there will be those who feel it was wrong. The only appropriate stance at this point is to put down the pitchforks, step back from the altar of worship (whichever side you are on) and wait to learn what we don’t know and what the committee finds.
While it’s not popular here, OSU has always and will always maintain that the brand is bigger than any coach. Their track record of firing coaches backs that up. $6,000 loan, gone. Cover for a few players who traded their Buckeye trinkets for tattoos, gone. We are your rival, you will revel in our times of turmoil regardless of what happens.
Dude, just stop. They is no rally, the news picked up a story from some guy with 12 Twitter folowrs and ran with it. It’s lazy journalism and misinformation is rampant.
There is no need to obsess over preseason polls. Heck, many thought UM was shafted in last season’s pre season poll. At the end of the year, when the hopes, dreams and aspirations are crushed, you will be unranked again. We can call this 2018 or 2017 part II. The bottom line is win and you will be fairly ranked, lose and you will be as well.
That’s a really insightful post, it seems like you may have used this process before, good stuff. I don’t care how they release the information, but it d@mn sure needs to be released. Put it all on the table, be as transparent as possible and let the chips fall.
You didn’t file a request to see if Warinner contacted the compliance office? If Warinner knew and didn’t report it to the compliance office, he simply told his boss, isn’t that a problem?
They absolutely need to release those files. I’m hopeful there will be enough pressure on them that they are forced to do it. Even if they don’t, with every reporter in the country setting up shop in Columbus, they will get out.
According to police and court documents, Perry was accused of grabbing a woman by the groin and buttocks outside a bar, then fleeing when officers arrived.
He took a plea deal in June, one that saw two counts of fourth-degree sexual misconduct dropped in exchange for misdemeanor assault and battery and felony resisting arrest.
The actual facts you reference are part of a plea bargain, not what actually happened.
According to police and court documents, Perry was accused of grabbing a woman by the groin and buttocks outside a bar, then fleeing when officers arrived.
He took a plea deal in June, one that saw two counts of fourth-degree sexual misconduct dropped in exchange for misdemeanor assault and battery and felony resisting arrest.
There is a difference between his crimes and the crime he bargained in a plea deal. Of course acknowledging that it was sexual assault doesn’t fit your narrative. With your level of denial you should be on 11W, you are just as delusional
We can agree to disagree on some points. Meyer is fair game, it’s the self righteousness that is hard to swallow.
If you think I’m misrepresenting the treatment of your own issues, go back and read the thread that was posted on the issue. It was equal parts blaming the victim/Sparty conspiracy because it happened in EL and nothing to see here folks. It was literally as tone deaf and in denial as what you’ll read on 11W about Meyer. Hell, even in this thread is was minimized to simply grabbing her butt.
The accuser also told police that Gibbons's then-roommate, All-American tackle Taylor Lewan, threatened to rape her if she didn't drop the charges against Gibbons.
I think the difference is I’m not saying OSU has handled this well, they haven’t. I’m saying the outrage at osu is about football, not protecting women. As a fanbase there was no outrage on this board when Grant rejoined the team. Maybe there was for the other two, I wasn’t here at the time.
I don’t know about winning but you do have players like Grant Perry, Gibbons and Lewan. Where is the moral outrage about enabling these players? The cognitive dissonance as a group is mind boggling. Every one of those players was guilty and all were allowed to continue playing. It’s just rape, witness intimidation and sexual assault tho, ammirite? Maybe, just maybe you could come off your moral high horses just a little.
Que the hive mind defense of why these felons deserved to play and how wonderfully their offenses were handled.
The contractual language was designed to protect faculty and students. The ruling in Colorado would seem to indicate there is no obligation to protect the ex wife of a faculty member. The extension was signed in April and any events prior to April would fall under his 2015 contract. If it was reported it’s a mute point, we shall see.
Ok. So you’re having trouble distinguishing the difference between title IX and the title IX coordinator. For the purposes of his contact that is who he would need to report to but it is NOT a title IX issue. Do you see the difference? Now that title IX is set aside, let’s talk about the sexual misconduct policy that he would need to report and he would report that to the title IX coordinator. That policy only covers events that happen on campus or at campus sponsored events. Once again, not applicable to a private residence.
I’ve got the facts as to what it covers and title IX if that’s what you were asking by what else I have.
Why are people still citing title IX when it is not applicable in this case? Multiple attorneys for NCAA related items have been clear about that. I’m honestly curious.
That is quite a leap but easily proven false if you’re Gene Smith. According to ZS, the Powell police department contacted Gene. If Gene was never told, the phone records would easily prove that call never happened and the call from Gene to ZS, calling him back from a recruiting trip would easily be disproven as well.
This is the most ridiculous post I have ever read. Does it excite you to troll and pretend to be an insider? Your facade is transparent, I’m embarrassed I bothered to reply.
I could not agree more, there were several incidents and he should have been fired. I can semi-understand a second chance in ‘09, but I can’t understand retaining him after that regardless of his guilt. You represent the university and if you can’t keep your personal life from impacting the university, you have to go. As cold hearted as it may sound, you HAVE to do this even if you think firing him will make it worse for the victim.
I completely agree with that vast majority of your post. It will come down to what the committee finds and the look that the university is willing to accept.
Where I find pause is the interview with Zach today on ESPN. He said the Powell police department contacted Gene and Gene called him back to Columbus from a recruiting trip. In that case Gene would have notified Urban, not the other way around so Gene was definitely in the loop. Gene is the same guy that fired Tressel, why didn’t he fire Zach if there was merit? I really want to hear his statement and I want the police department to say what they told him. What they told him isn’t protected by their BS “open case” excuse.
I think that if it is found that they knew he abused his wife, recruiting will suffer if they keep Meyer. PSU brought in a new coach and MSU is MSU. If however, it is found that the university relied on the police and had no evidence to fire Smith, the hit may not be as bad.
Crucify me of you choose, I have tried to put myself in a similar position and asked what I would have done. If the wife of a good friend called the police and claimed DV, there was no arrest, he swore it never happened, who would I believe? If I knew him well and the police didn’t find anything and he swore it never happened, there is a reasonable chance I would think we was not guilty. Maybe I’m just an immoral mysoginist.
As a head football coach however, after the first time it was alleged in 09 and I thought it would never happen again, I would have fired him at the first whisper of it the second time for not being able to represent the university regardless if it was true or not. The university is bigger than any one person, Meyer or a second rate position coach.
I’m not an expert on protocol, I just know that the victim had to be the priority and no party vested in the outcome should be asking the questions. I don’t feel like anyone wants to hear it but the police department is the proper entity to investigate, not the university. They are hiding behind BS about the case being open three years later.
I think both fanbases could agree that the mayor and/or city council need to apply the pressure it takes to release the records, all of them, no redactions. In OH, if the police are called for DV, the primary aggressor leaves in cuffs. They were called, why was there no arrest? Every reporter in the country has descended on Columbus. I am trying to stay optimistic that all of the facts will come out and it will take a response from the police about what their investigation revealed.
I respect your opinion that he should be fired. If abuse was known, I do as well. But again, this is a breaking story and the facts need to come out, starting with the complete police reports.
I would tell you to take your horribly misspelled “slimey” (it’s spelled slimy) and stick it, but I’d prefer to keep this civil.
Thanks for your response, as wrong as it may be. Nobody from the university should ever have contacted her, period. If you don’t believe me, and you clearly don’t, contact your local women’s shelter and ask them. The desire of the university to know does NOT outweigh the victim’s rights. Can we at least agree that the victim shouldn’t have been contacted by a party that is vested in the outcome of what she said? An independent body, trained in investigations, such as the police should contact her. The police need to release the full files to the university but OSU has no damn business talking to her. Put aside your bloodlust and remember what is important here. Hint, it isn’t football programs.
Yikes, I am going to get roasted for being a Buckeye but I hope your post is just venting with frustration at the entire situation, just as we are. I hope you’re not advocating for keeping a coach, IF he enabled, simply to help your program recruit. That is pretty messed up. For the record, I am going to wait until the investigation is complete before I grab my pitchfork.
So you are saying OSU should have contacted the alleged victim of DV? That’s not how it works and it damn sure never should work that way. Have you ever heard of Art Briles? Google it. The last thing a victim needs in those circumstances are AD’s or anyone else questioning them that isn’t 1. A law enforcement official 2. A trained counselor.
There are several good points to your post but this part was just wrong, no offense.
Edit: PS. He didn’t lie about committing violations as citied in your closing paragraph. He blatantly lied to reporters, we will find out what else he may have lied about, but no lies were about NCAA rules which is the context of that statement. Not justifying lying, providing context.
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Lol, true. It’s time for me to sign out. For the record there is not one post defending him. Asking UM to look inside their own glass house, guilty. Saying that we should wait until all of the facts are out, guilty. Sarcasm and being a jerk, guilty and guilty. It would be great if we could stop the circus and wait for facts and a decision before we all play internet tough guys and espouse things we know little of, but hey, it just doesn’t work like that in the age of social media.
Since you asked nicely, I’m going to delete my account. Rest easy, if the facts are as alleged you will be losing to coach Day this year instead of coach Meyer. Just chill on the pitchforks until the very capable committee that has been appointed provides us all with their findings. Peace
Have you looked at this board??! Since the story broke every post, save 2 or 3, has been about OSU. Practice has started but the board is fixated on this topic and yes, reveling in the lose/lose proposition OSU faces. If I knew how to post a screenshot I would, just take a look. (Ps. I have way worse posts than this)
If you read the article, it’s super hard for technical reasons, but hey if some drunk homers found something nobody else could, power too them. It’s been the same excuses forever. Please, just please win against us soon. It used to mean something when we played the last game of the year. Being so one sided for such long periods of time isn’t good for the rivalry It wasn’t good under Cooper and it’s not good under Hoke/RichRod/Harbaugh/next up/...
The refs will always be to blame, not the miscues that contributed to the game being in overtime in the first place and so precariously perched the game on a referee’s spot.
Is there a better way to do this? Maybe, but it seems super hard.
Other sports, after all, have found precise ways to plot out ball movement. Tennis has the electronic line judge, and baseball has PITCHf/x tools that produce glorious strike-zone plots, like this one from Brooks Baseball, though it doesn’t actually use them in games:
You are saying exactly what I am saying, sans sarcasm. There is no need to get upset about the pre season polls. Beat ND and you crack the top 10 (maybe) by week 2. It’s not that far away.
I’m not your buddy, pal. I get you being upset but I’m not wrong.
I’m so sorry...because facts :(
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2016/11/29/13769308/ohio-state-jt-barrett-fourth-down-michigan-game-2016
It also opines:
Anyone pinning this loss squarely on the officiating would have to discount the fact that a crafty OSU blitz led to Wilton Speight giving Ohio State a touchdown with a pick-six. They’d gloss over the interception that got the Buckeyes to start a different drive in the red zone, before Harbaugh advanced them further with his own brand of histrionics. And they’d forget Michigan fumbled on Ohio State’s 2-yard line.
Stay or go, this won’t drag out for 2-3 weeks IMO. I don’t think it makes it through the next week either way.
The schism will be simple, if he stays or is fired there will be those who feel it was wrong. The only appropriate stance at this point is to put down the pitchforks, step back from the altar of worship (whichever side you are on) and wait to learn what we don’t know and what the committee finds.
While it’s not popular here, OSU has always and will always maintain that the brand is bigger than any coach. Their track record of firing coaches backs that up. $6,000 loan, gone. Cover for a few players who traded their Buckeye trinkets for tattoos, gone. We are your rival, you will revel in our times of turmoil regardless of what happens.
Dude, just stop. They is no rally, the news picked up a story from some guy with 12 Twitter folowrs and ran with it. It’s lazy journalism and misinformation is rampant.
https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/osu-fans-planning-rally-to-support-coach-meyer
If you want to know who Tennessee Jeff is, he is on Twitter as @HammsTenn. The media stories are bad and they should feel bad. Don’t be so gullible.
There is no need to obsess over preseason polls. Heck, many thought UM was shafted in last season’s pre season poll. At the end of the year, when the hopes, dreams and aspirations are crushed, you will be unranked again. We can call this 2018 or 2017 part II. The bottom line is win and you will be fairly ranked, lose and you will be as well.
That’s a really insightful post, it seems like you may have used this process before, good stuff. I don’t care how they release the information, but it d@mn sure needs to be released. Put it all on the table, be as transparent as possible and let the chips fall.
You didn’t file a request to see if Warinner contacted the compliance office? If Warinner knew and didn’t report it to the compliance office, he simply told his boss, isn’t that a problem?
They absolutely need to release those files. I’m hopeful there will be enough pressure on them that they are forced to do it. Even if they don’t, with every reporter in the country setting up shop in Columbus, they will get out.
Nah, this is what he actually did.
According to police and court documents, Perry was accused of grabbing a woman by the groin and buttocks outside a bar, then fleeing when officers arrived.
He took a plea deal in June, one that saw two counts of fourth-degree sexual misconduct dropped in exchange for misdemeanor assault and battery and felony resisting arrest.
The actual facts you reference are part of a plea bargain, not what actually happened.
According to police and court documents, Perry was accused of grabbing a woman by the groin and buttocks outside a bar, then fleeing when officers arrived.
He took a plea deal in June, one that saw two counts of fourth-degree sexual misconduct dropped in exchange for misdemeanor assault and battery and felony resisting arrest.
There is a difference between his crimes and the crime he bargained in a plea deal. Of course acknowledging that it was sexual assault doesn’t fit your narrative. With your level of denial you should be on 11W, you are just as delusional
We can agree to disagree on some points. Meyer is fair game, it’s the self righteousness that is hard to swallow.
If you think I’m misrepresenting the treatment of your own issues, go back and read the thread that was posted on the issue. It was equal parts blaming the victim/Sparty conspiracy because it happened in EL and nothing to see here folks. It was literally as tone deaf and in denial as what you’ll read on 11W about Meyer. Hell, even in this thread is was minimized to simply grabbing her butt.
That’s my exact point....the glass house and all. No university is immune.
https://deadspin.com/former-michigan-kicker-expelled-for-sexual-misconduct-1511488287
And here
http://www.washtenawwatchdogs.com/university-of-michigan/the-cover-up-of-the-arrest-of-university-of-michigan-football-player-brendan-gibbons-for-rape
He was allowed back on the team. The process didn’t play out until the Feds investigated after both of them had used all of their eligibility.
The accuser also told police that Gibbons's then-roommate, All-American tackle Taylor Lewan, threatened to rape her if she didn't drop the charges against Gibbons.
Grant, not Gary. Thanks for pointing that out, I’ll edit the correction into the post.
I think the difference is I’m not saying OSU has handled this well, they haven’t. I’m saying the outrage at osu is about football, not protecting women. As a fanbase there was no outrage on this board when Grant rejoined the team. Maybe there was for the other two, I wasn’t here at the time.
I don’t know about winning but you do have players like Grant Perry, Gibbons and Lewan. Where is the moral outrage about enabling these players? The cognitive dissonance as a group is mind boggling. Every one of those players was guilty and all were allowed to continue playing. It’s just rape, witness intimidation and sexual assault tho, ammirite? Maybe, just maybe you could come off your moral high horses just a little.
Que the hive mind defense of why these felons deserved to play and how wonderfully their offenses were handled.
The contractual language was designed to protect faculty and students. The ruling in Colorado would seem to indicate there is no obligation to protect the ex wife of a faculty member. The extension was signed in April and any events prior to April would fall under his 2015 contract. If it was reported it’s a mute point, we shall see.
Ok. So you’re having trouble distinguishing the difference between title IX and the title IX coordinator. For the purposes of his contact that is who he would need to report to but it is NOT a title IX issue. Do you see the difference? Now that title IX is set aside, let’s talk about the sexual misconduct policy that he would need to report and he would report that to the title IX coordinator. That policy only covers events that happen on campus or at campus sponsored events. Once again, not applicable to a private residence.
I’ve got the facts as to what it covers and title IX if that’s what you were asking by what else I have.
Why are people still citing title IX when it is not applicable in this case? Multiple attorneys for NCAA related items have been clear about that. I’m honestly curious.
That is quite a leap but easily proven false if you’re Gene Smith. According to ZS, the Powell police department contacted Gene. If Gene was never told, the phone records would easily prove that call never happened and the call from Gene to ZS, calling him back from a recruiting trip would easily be disproven as well.
Lol, fair point
This is the most ridiculous post I have ever read. Does it excite you to troll and pretend to be an insider? Your facade is transparent, I’m embarrassed I bothered to reply.
I could not agree more, there were several incidents and he should have been fired. I can semi-understand a second chance in ‘09, but I can’t understand retaining him after that regardless of his guilt. You represent the university and if you can’t keep your personal life from impacting the university, you have to go. As cold hearted as it may sound, you HAVE to do this even if you think firing him will make it worse for the victim.
I completely agree with that vast majority of your post. It will come down to what the committee finds and the look that the university is willing to accept.
Where I find pause is the interview with Zach today on ESPN. He said the Powell police department contacted Gene and Gene called him back to Columbus from a recruiting trip. In that case Gene would have notified Urban, not the other way around so Gene was definitely in the loop. Gene is the same guy that fired Tressel, why didn’t he fire Zach if there was merit? I really want to hear his statement and I want the police department to say what they told him. What they told him isn’t protected by their BS “open case” excuse.
I think that if it is found that they knew he abused his wife, recruiting will suffer if they keep Meyer. PSU brought in a new coach and MSU is MSU. If however, it is found that the university relied on the police and had no evidence to fire Smith, the hit may not be as bad.
Crucify me of you choose, I have tried to put myself in a similar position and asked what I would have done. If the wife of a good friend called the police and claimed DV, there was no arrest, he swore it never happened, who would I believe? If I knew him well and the police didn’t find anything and he swore it never happened, there is a reasonable chance I would think we was not guilty. Maybe I’m just an immoral mysoginist.
As a head football coach however, after the first time it was alleged in 09 and I thought it would never happen again, I would have fired him at the first whisper of it the second time for not being able to represent the university regardless if it was true or not. The university is bigger than any one person, Meyer or a second rate position coach.
I’m not an expert on protocol, I just know that the victim had to be the priority and no party vested in the outcome should be asking the questions. I don’t feel like anyone wants to hear it but the police department is the proper entity to investigate, not the university. They are hiding behind BS about the case being open three years later.
I think both fanbases could agree that the mayor and/or city council need to apply the pressure it takes to release the records, all of them, no redactions. In OH, if the police are called for DV, the primary aggressor leaves in cuffs. They were called, why was there no arrest? Every reporter in the country has descended on Columbus. I am trying to stay optimistic that all of the facts will come out and it will take a response from the police about what their investigation revealed.
I respect your opinion that he should be fired. If abuse was known, I do as well. But again, this is a breaking story and the facts need to come out, starting with the complete police reports.
I would tell you to take your horribly misspelled “slimey” (it’s spelled slimy) and stick it, but I’d prefer to keep this civil.
Thanks for your response, as wrong as it may be. Nobody from the university should ever have contacted her, period. If you don’t believe me, and you clearly don’t, contact your local women’s shelter and ask them. The desire of the university to know does NOT outweigh the victim’s rights. Can we at least agree that the victim shouldn’t have been contacted by a party that is vested in the outcome of what she said? An independent body, trained in investigations, such as the police should contact her. The police need to release the full files to the university but OSU has no damn business talking to her. Put aside your bloodlust and remember what is important here. Hint, it isn’t football programs.
Yikes, I am going to get roasted for being a Buckeye but I hope your post is just venting with frustration at the entire situation, just as we are. I hope you’re not advocating for keeping a coach, IF he enabled, simply to help your program recruit. That is pretty messed up. For the record, I am going to wait until the investigation is complete before I grab my pitchfork.
So you are saying OSU should have contacted the alleged victim of DV? That’s not how it works and it damn sure never should work that way. Have you ever heard of Art Briles? Google it. The last thing a victim needs in those circumstances are AD’s or anyone else questioning them that isn’t 1. A law enforcement official 2. A trained counselor.
There are several good points to your post but this part was just wrong, no offense.
Edit: PS. He didn’t lie about committing violations as citied in your closing paragraph. He blatantly lied to reporters, we will find out what else he may have lied about, but no lies were about NCAA rules which is the context of that statement. Not justifying lying, providing context.