The Big Ten wanted two teams into the playoffs...refs don't just pick a team to hose, they are told what to do and do it to keep their jobs.
UM wins no chance of two teams in, period...Only chance for more Money (it's always the motive) was just what we saw, ref's clearly forcing the issue in OSU favor all game and most obvious in the overtime calls (spot of ball and lack of PI against OSU)...This was another vote instance of Big Ten screwing UM...In my opinion even worse than putting OSU in Rose Bowl over UM
but not if you lose 2-3 of the overrated/non-performers due to "medical issues" every year, then you'd have a Bama style Oline with 3-4 good/great lineman per class.
Also, I meant 8 this year not so much 8 every year...but hey recruit them all and cut the ones that don't produce works for SEC
I was around for the "Great" Purdue run in the 90's, it was really based on them adopting a spread pass before anyone else had made the transition. If not for that, Purdue has never been able to line up man to man and effectively control the game (offensive/defensive lines), they simply never get that calibre of athlete to compete with the UM/OSU teams.
Baring Purdue adopting some new strategy that removes the effectiveness of superior athletes agan, I fail to see any reason to expect them to lift themselves out of the bottom of the Big Ten...And In turn any coach that wants to continue their climb up the coaching ranks, to chose them, perhaps at best they can get an older coach looking for one last chance (Briles)?
Other than Alumni, who out there with actual coaching exp would even look at Purdue, sure I understand paychecks and moving from DIV 17 to Big Ten ...but I cannot see any legit coaching search finding anyone of worth to man this spot, maybe Bree's will retire from NFL and come coach there?
"(he's likely going to be the guy for years to come)"-
He is the best option currently, but not by much, and this isn't the coaching that will keep you at starter because you were before...I'd be shocked if we don't have a different starting QB next year that is currently red shirting...
Mike Tyson, from punch out ... if you get lucky and hit every single button on time, you slightly win
or
Dracula Ultimate from castlevania legecy of darkness, lights go out, and you hit buttons and pray...the lights come on and you either barely won or were out right slaughtered
Not only does O'Conner stare down every throw, and have an average at best arm - but his accuracy is poor...
Even better, news out of MSU spring was he looked the BEST of all the QB's...about time Sparty went back to over hyped QB's who turned out to be deer in the headlights on game days!
Lord no, having been on that campus and living in that area - you do NOT want them in your conference...think OSU is obnoxious about beating us in sports, it's not even a drop in the ocean as to how Harvard alumni/students would act about academics.
They bring a negative attitude about athletics and scholarships for sports in general, it would be a fun/easy win but not worth New England Ivy league attitudes on every other aspect...
Indiana & Purdue and a natural fit to that side of our conference (geography). Also more realistic then thinking ND or Bama as many have posted...throwing out a different choice
Would bring some strong sports outside of Football, and align well with the current east geography and is a solid 133 in academic rankings.
I agree they think of themselves as southern, but that's pretty far from the reality - they are a midwest team with southern ideals :)
Kentucky, it's such a natural fit for us, but I'd 1st cut Rutgers/Maryland..
I'm a bit jaded, but given total conference control I'd do what UM wanted to originally, cut MSU and place them in MAC, drop Neb, Rut, MD, PSU and add in Univ Chicago (they can be our Vandy)
Think of it as a base, the more base you can run successfully, the better. Also, as the season progresses and teams know all your base sets, you can add wrinkles constantly to throw them off...
Oh stats say we run left tackle when in a 3 TE set split to strong side, oh look a counter to weak side.
Vanilla is just us focusing upon the base we will use this year and add wrinkles to over time as needed.
Not every play can be 5 WR streaks or triple option RB passes...Vanilla is GREAT and we should keep running it until we need to alter it.
Lofton was much older at that point, and reed was grossly overrated, he would just be a decent slot now days, he benefited from the spread pass against yet to change 3-4/4-3 schemes that still put LB's on 3-4th wr...
Their past 4 year history, including most of their returning players- is a good indicator of not good status, on top of that, although they beat lesser foes, when you examine the film they were playing slightly better than their opponent.
Until CO can line up and move the ball on an established quality team, they are safe to be called what they have shown themselves to be - average at best more likely, not good
4 Super bowl's versus 0...I'd say no difference at all...
Both play is very cold weather regions (Detroit is smarter and has a dome)
Both play in a division they are historically the bottom of
Both have horrible draft histories and draft choices retention
Both wear shades of Blue/white
Both have loyal fans despite low percentages of playoff games played (last 20 years)
Both had superstar RB's from Ok St
Both have utterly failed at WR talent (Detroit has 1, 2 if you go back to Herman Moore -BUF you need to go back to early 80's for WR superstar Wr talent)
Both rarely place top 10 for jersey/merchandise sales
Both have extremely old owners and/or ownership within family of older owners
Both are pleasant surprises to win, but more commonly expected to lose
Think of it as an opportunity not a commitment made by the University when offering potential scholarships.
Much like a job offering, you still need to complete the process post offer - in the business world this may mean passing drug test, back ground checks, etc. For college sports it means continuing to remain eligible academically as well as growing skill set at the sport.
Regardless of how much the prospect remained loyal to the offer, the University still needs post offer analysis before finalizing the deal. I personally have no issues if an offer is made and later revoked, both sides must follow through on the process, just extending or receiving an offer isn't enough.
I also feel it extends both ways, in this case we are upset that the University may have cooled on completing the scholarship offer- but the athlete has the same power - so this isn't a case of abuse but a mutual power relationship that both sides can accept or end at any time.
With Desmond King being rated 1st team over Lewis...Not even close to the same competition and King rarely saw teams avoid his entire side of the field as many did to Lewis.
Why wouldn't these guys be a better option then 5th years grad transfers? Obviously grades could be an issue, but if JH got some into Stanford UM should be possible too?
Didn't JH talk about the need for UM to be more open to all types of recruiting? I don't think we should be focuing on 5th year transfers for LB, but instead JC LB's.
When you have a pressing need for immediate help, the best way to do that (besides finding Frosh superstar ready to instantly play) is junior college guys.
I know JC players coming to UM was as rare in the past, but I feel like this was something JH pushed as a change UM needs to make for Football.
Does anyone watch/track the best JC players, and wouldn't that be a better fit than a 5th year backup that transfers for one year?
You can get great recruiters without giving up D Coord position to do so, Randy was gifted supreme talent and ran a straight up D that depended solely on Canes winning 1-on-1 battles - and HoF type DT/NT.
13 years watching Canes (1999-2013 from living/attending UM) and only thing he ever did was recruit well...we do not want him as DC
You can get great recruiters without giving up D Coord position to do so, Randy was gifted supreme talent and ran a straight up D that depended solely on Canes winning 1-on-1 battles - and HoF type DT/NT.
13 years watching Canes (1999-2013 from living/attending UM) and only thing he ever did was recruit well...we do not want him as DC
You do not want Butch or Randy - Butch has NCAA baggae and 1st slip up we'll get NCAA sanctions - also no way JH want's a proven walking violation like Butch
Randy - listen having been on campus at practices - it was all about the supremem talent, you'd hate Shanoon because he is a Hoke clone - "give more effort" coaching, not tactical.
I highly doubt either are what UM/ JH want, but I feel compelled to cut off anyone who looked at the canes and thought their success was coaching related with Randy as DC or HC. Total good man, yes man to superiors (Donna had him on an acedemic goal instead of winning games - and he accepted that), and great recruiter for South Florida. Not the coach you need to out scheme superior teams or out wit equals.
I say after 5 years the blog no longer allows any previously beaten to death, clearly opinionaited topic, that doesn't allow for any conclusion to be made -to be necro'd from the dead.
OR- Shall we dig into such uninteresting former debates such as:
Why Gary Moeller wasn't retained after his incident...
Why Ad's shouldn't be allowed to take vacations without their cell phones...
or my Favorite - Does eating 1/3rd of a Lemon count as eating a lemon
"If Roger Goodell were CEO of a real company, he would be fired within a year"
With revenue values going up, expansion of coverage and market domination, he'd be rewarded the same he has as commish, raise, pats on back, and high fives from his board (nfl owners).
This guy is doing the boards/owners work, and well, you don't fire the guy making you more money.
PR is easy to overcome when you are swimming in uncle scrouge type gold piles...
Depends, originally they were human clones specifically engineered to do a job, my take it is they were exceptional at their job and the reason they missed so often- they realized their boss was bad and tried to help rebels win... so good guys put in bad roles...
Now we can also point out their future work (post clone use) conflicted with modern beliefs of their nature, i.e. they tried to uphold the laws agreed upon and in doing so were trying to do right...that the laws were manipulated by an evil leader, isn't their problem!
So in effect, yes they were good guys, not as good as UM as they lack winged helmets, but def. good guys trying to do good, just happened to fail...a lot...
to my college football game, it's me, and spoiler, I'll win 4 heismans and 4 straight NC's, it's a good time to root for UM if you follow my CFB season...
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The Big Ten wanted two teams into the playoffs...refs don't just pick a team to hose, they are told what to do and do it to keep their jobs.
UM wins no chance of two teams in, period...Only chance for more Money (it's always the motive) was just what we saw, ref's clearly forcing the issue in OSU favor all game and most obvious in the overtime calls (spot of ball and lack of PI against OSU)...This was another vote instance of Big Ten screwing UM...In my opinion even worse than putting OSU in Rose Bowl over UM
Used his pen name instead of his real name!
Chat was moderated?
Thought we just randomly lost red guys (should be blue)...
I vote WD get's that job...
Red dead will be happening in Nov!
FYI =Scarlet =Red
but not if you lose 2-3 of the overrated/non-performers due to "medical issues" every year, then you'd have a Bama style Oline with 3-4 good/great lineman per class.
Also, I meant 8 this year not so much 8 every year...but hey recruit them all and cut the ones that don't produce works for SEC
I'd love to see us get a "Fab Five" type offensive line recruiting pull, but my gut worries that 2 out of those 5 actually live up to the hype...
Call me a pessimist (or greedy), but I'd rather see a "Fab 8" when it comes to O-Line recruiting
I was around for the "Great" Purdue run in the 90's, it was really based on them adopting a spread pass before anyone else had made the transition. If not for that, Purdue has never been able to line up man to man and effectively control the game (offensive/defensive lines), they simply never get that calibre of athlete to compete with the UM/OSU teams.
Baring Purdue adopting some new strategy that removes the effectiveness of superior athletes agan, I fail to see any reason to expect them to lift themselves out of the bottom of the Big Ten...And In turn any coach that wants to continue their climb up the coaching ranks, to chose them, perhaps at best they can get an older coach looking for one last chance (Briles)?
Is the damage done to my car after we beat them on the field, their students must major in vandalism
Be available in a few weeks...
Be available in a few weeks...
it's Purdue which in reality is a MAC college (football wise)...
Other than taking another MAC coach, or Brady Hoke, I don't see how they will fill this role with anyone but a lottery ticket type choice...
Other than Alumni, who out there with actual coaching exp would even look at Purdue, sure I understand paychecks and moving from DIV 17 to Big Ten ...but I cannot see any legit coaching search finding anyone of worth to man this spot, maybe Bree's will retire from NFL and come coach there?
"(he's likely going to be the guy for years to come)"-
He is the best option currently, but not by much, and this isn't the coaching that will keep you at starter because you were before...I'd be shocked if we don't have a different starting QB next year that is currently red shirting...
Slap shot
North Dallas 40
Talladega nights (stunningly accurate)
Raging Bull
Shanghai soccer
As Godzilla...
The better football movie is North Dallas 40, which is still stunningly accurate to the current NFL...
ANYONE THAT DOESN'T LIST SLAPSHOT AS THE GREATEST SPORT MOVIE OF ALL TIME, is a communist buckeye fan! /s
sleep on his career just yet, he can be a super star O coordinator for a major program if he gave up on HC duties
sleep on his career just yet, he can be a super star O coordinator for a major program if he gave up on HC duties
for MSU being bad, is it Dame No for ND sucking?
Mike Tyson, from punch out ... if you get lucky and hit every single button on time, you slightly win
or
Dracula Ultimate from castlevania legecy of darkness, lights go out, and you hit buttons and pray...the lights come on and you either barely won or were out right slaughtered
I had a girl friend forfeit due to size once too...
I'll be here all week, try the veal and don't foget to tip the waitresses!
Last game he burned 5 redshirts, so although I agree with you on his normal behavior, this year it's all bodies on board!!!
I want it to be after we beat them in EL this year, so it looks like he is afraid of UM/JH...
But realistically, there is zero chance he leaves that couch fire
Not only does O'Conner stare down every throw, and have an average at best arm - but his accuracy is poor...
Even better, news out of MSU spring was he looked the BEST of all the QB's...about time Sparty went back to over hyped QB's who turned out to be deer in the headlights on game days!
Is what we thought they were...QB is inaccurate, RB's average and Wr's gaining zero distance on CBs...this is...GREAT
Lord no, having been on that campus and living in that area - you do NOT want them in your conference...think OSU is obnoxious about beating us in sports, it's not even a drop in the ocean as to how Harvard alumni/students would act about academics.
They bring a negative attitude about athletics and scholarships for sports in general, it would be a fun/easy win but not worth New England Ivy league attitudes on every other aspect...
Indiana & Purdue and a natural fit to that side of our conference (geography). Also more realistic then thinking ND or Bama as many have posted...throwing out a different choice
Would bring some strong sports outside of Football, and align well with the current east geography and is a solid 133 in academic rankings.
I agree they think of themselves as southern, but that's pretty far from the reality - they are a midwest team with southern ideals :)
Kentucky, it's such a natural fit for us, but I'd 1st cut Rutgers/Maryland..
I'm a bit jaded, but given total conference control I'd do what UM wanted to originally, cut MSU and place them in MAC, drop Neb, Rut, MD, PSU and add in Univ Chicago (they can be our Vandy)
Think of it as a base, the more base you can run successfully, the better. Also, as the season progresses and teams know all your base sets, you can add wrinkles constantly to throw them off...
Oh stats say we run left tackle when in a 3 TE set split to strong side, oh look a counter to weak side.
Vanilla is just us focusing upon the base we will use this year and add wrinkles to over time as needed.
Not every play can be 5 WR streaks or triple option RB passes...Vanilla is GREAT and we should keep running it until we need to alter it.
How many JoePa memorbilia do you have at home?
OSU is peaking at the wrong time, come last game in October and they will be spent!
Xwishful
Lofton was much older at that point, and reed was grossly overrated, he would just be a decent slot now days, he benefited from the spread pass against yet to change 3-4/4-3 schemes that still put LB's on 3-4th wr...
Their past 4 year history, including most of their returning players- is a good indicator of not good status, on top of that, although they beat lesser foes, when you examine the film they were playing slightly better than their opponent.
Until CO can line up and move the ball on an established quality team, they are safe to be called what they have shown themselves to be - average at best more likely, not good
4 Super bowl's versus 0...I'd say no difference at all...
Both play is very cold weather regions (Detroit is smarter and has a dome)
Both play in a division they are historically the bottom of
Both have horrible draft histories and draft choices retention
Both wear shades of Blue/white
Both have loyal fans despite low percentages of playoff games played (last 20 years)
Both had superstar RB's from Ok St
Both have utterly failed at WR talent (Detroit has 1, 2 if you go back to Herman Moore -BUF you need to go back to early 80's for WR superstar Wr talent)
Both rarely place top 10 for jersey/merchandise sales
Both have extremely old owners and/or ownership within family of older owners
Both are pleasant surprises to win, but more commonly expected to lose
MAC run down
Glad to see football tried to over throw the Admin code of conduct rules, and lost...
either they are B.S. about trying hard or school finally figured out letting sports coaches determine discpline on sports players was idiotic...
JH admitting he posts as UM111 on mgoblog board...
also, that Peter's will start as true frosh
Think of it as an opportunity not a commitment made by the University when offering potential scholarships.
Much like a job offering, you still need to complete the process post offer - in the business world this may mean passing drug test, back ground checks, etc. For college sports it means continuing to remain eligible academically as well as growing skill set at the sport.
Regardless of how much the prospect remained loyal to the offer, the University still needs post offer analysis before finalizing the deal. I personally have no issues if an offer is made and later revoked, both sides must follow through on the process, just extending or receiving an offer isn't enough.
With Desmond King being rated 1st team over Lewis...Not even close to the same competition and King rarely saw teams avoid his entire side of the field as many did to Lewis.
And it looks like there are some good options at both inside and outside LB positions
http://www.scout.com/junior-college-football/topic/2016-football-inside-linebacker-prospects?type=players&league=JUCO&position=Inside%20Linebacker
(non-paywall)
Why wouldn't these guys be a better option then 5th years grad transfers? Obviously grades could be an issue, but if JH got some into Stanford UM should be possible too?
Didn't JH talk about the need for UM to be more open to all types of recruiting? I don't think we should be focuing on 5th year transfers for LB, but instead JC LB's.
When you have a pressing need for immediate help, the best way to do that (besides finding Frosh superstar ready to instantly play) is junior college guys.
I know JC players coming to UM was as rare in the past, but I feel like this was something JH pushed as a change UM needs to make for Football.
Does anyone watch/track the best JC players, and wouldn't that be a better fit than a 5th year backup that transfers for one year?
You can get great recruiters without giving up D Coord position to do so, Randy was gifted supreme talent and ran a straight up D that depended solely on Canes winning 1-on-1 battles - and HoF type DT/NT.
13 years watching Canes (1999-2013 from living/attending UM) and only thing he ever did was recruit well...we do not want him as DC
You can get great recruiters without giving up D Coord position to do so, Randy was gifted supreme talent and ran a straight up D that depended solely on Canes winning 1-on-1 battles - and HoF type DT/NT.
13 years watching Canes (1999-2013 from living/attending UM) and only thing he ever did was recruit well...we do not want him as DC
UM/Cane here (UM/UM YTM)
You do not want Butch or Randy - Butch has NCAA baggae and 1st slip up we'll get NCAA sanctions - also no way JH want's a proven walking violation like Butch
Randy - listen having been on campus at practices - it was all about the supremem talent, you'd hate Shanoon because he is a Hoke clone - "give more effort" coaching, not tactical.
I highly doubt either are what UM/ JH want, but I feel compelled to cut off anyone who looked at the canes and thought their success was coaching related with Randy as DC or HC. Total good man, yes man to superiors (Donna had him on an acedemic goal instead of winning games - and he accepted that), and great recruiter for South Florida. Not the coach you need to out scheme superior teams or out wit equals.
I say after 5 years the blog no longer allows any previously beaten to death, clearly opinionaited topic, that doesn't allow for any conclusion to be made -to be necro'd from the dead.
OR- Shall we dig into such uninteresting former debates such as:
Why Gary Moeller wasn't retained after his incident...
Why Ad's shouldn't be allowed to take vacations without their cell phones...
or my Favorite - Does eating 1/3rd of a Lemon count as eating a lemon
"If Roger Goodell were CEO of a real company, he would be fired within a year"
With revenue values going up, expansion of coverage and market domination, he'd be rewarded the same he has as commish, raise, pats on back, and high fives from his board (nfl owners).
This guy is doing the boards/owners work, and well, you don't fire the guy making you more money.
PR is easy to overcome when you are swimming in uncle scrouge type gold piles...
Depends, originally they were human clones specifically engineered to do a job, my take it is they were exceptional at their job and the reason they missed so often- they realized their boss was bad and tried to help rebels win... so good guys put in bad roles...
Now we can also point out their future work (post clone use) conflicted with modern beliefs of their nature, i.e. they tried to uphold the laws agreed upon and in doing so were trying to do right...that the laws were manipulated by an evil leader, isn't their problem!
So in effect, yes they were good guys, not as good as UM as they lack winged helmets, but def. good guys trying to do good, just happened to fail...a lot...
to my college football game, it's me, and spoiler, I'll win 4 heismans and 4 straight NC's, it's a good time to root for UM if you follow my CFB season...
All good guys wear white, and the wings on our helmets is just a reminder we are divinely good!
No one asked him his thoughts on bubble screens