Winovich talks about the loneliness of being an NFL rookies
December 23rd, 2019 at 10:21 AM ^
celebrity is a weird thing, and it is not nearly the 'fun' or the 'blessing' that many think it is. when i lived in socal i saw the beautiful people all the time, and by that i mean the most famous rock/movie/TV/athletes of the day. i bounced at a club that was 'the place' to be and got to know some of them a bit. the problem is that they don't have any real friends, only sycophants, and if you are a grounded person there is the deflating feeling of false friendships - they only want to be your friend because you have $/fame, not because of you.
couple that with being alone in a city where you don't have a base of friends, where you are young and single and what are you going to do, party a lot and play with fire re: drugs, booze, women, etc? (hatter nods violently, 'yes!') . seriously, your choices are limited and you've got to get out and find fulfilling activities and friends, otherwise that loneliness could be crushing.
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:17 AM ^
That's where the hookers and blow come in to play
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:20 AM ^
looks like we found hatter's alt-account....
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:32 AM ^
Negative, I'm my own delinquent.
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:51 AM ^
Fuck that--take me to the club with you!
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:25 PM ^
clarence, it was a great education for a kid from michigan. the biggest lesson was this: all that glitters is not gold. those famous people paid a dear price for and with their fame - they were so messed up with drugs, broken families and marriages, kids all screwed up, criminal cases, you name it. some were pretty cool, for instance marcus allen, reggie theus, michael keaton, chaka kahn would be among my favorites and they were pretty normal. but by and large, it was not a healthy or sustainable lifestyle.
but yeah, that club was wild. it was like the studio 54 of los angeles. paid me great money though to get me through grad school. the beautiful people are pretty good tippers.
December 23rd, 2019 at 8:22 PM ^
So the blinds on Crazy Days and Nights aren't that totally around the bend?
Who knew?
December 23rd, 2019 at 9:06 PM ^
you wrote: So the blinds on Crazy Days and Nights aren't that totally around the bend?
i am so un-hip nowadays that i don't have a clue what that means.
December 23rd, 2019 at 9:32 PM ^
Crazy Days and Nights is a blog written by a supposedly extremely well-connected Hollywood lawyer:
https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/
The blinds are posts that drop hints about how certain celebrities went out and got into trouble. The commenters make it a game to guess who the celebrity was.
Some of the blinds get confirmed, most don't. I've read some of the confirmed ones, they seem to line up with your description of the folks at the club you bounced at.
December 23rd, 2019 at 10:09 PM ^
i'm old now, but the 80's and 90's celebs i can confirm re: getting into trouble and the details therein. it was also surprising to see how unattractive and/or completely meh some of the 'beautiful people' were in real life. but not all of them. there were some of the prettiest women to walk planet earth in that club. interesting time.
December 23rd, 2019 at 4:58 PM ^
XM, you are the second most interesting man in the world.
December 23rd, 2019 at 10:48 AM ^
If you ever get a chance to check out “Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind’’ by Yuval Noah Harari on Coursera, I highly recommend it. I don't see it on there right now, though.
It's absolutely fascinating, and Harari teaches it himself.
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:03 AM ^
I remember reading how Tom Brady's father had one of Tom's sisters move in with Tom when he was drafted by the Patriots. If I remember right it was to keep him out of trouble. But it would also have the affect of giving him a friend as he adjusted to life on his own.
There's just such great wisdom in that.
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:38 AM ^
Not sure how that played out, but I thought Tom first hired her as his assistant because he knew she'd look out for him. I could be wrong, the point is that his sister moved in as his assistant and kept him grounded. Good strategy, that!
December 23rd, 2019 at 9:35 PM ^
That actually is a terrific strategy.
The smartest NFL players are the ones who continue to drive their high school or college beater for several years into their careers while they live a modest lifestyle. Those are the guys piling up their savings to invest, start a long-term business, or simply because they know rainy days will come.
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:50 AM ^
It ain't football or fame, Chase. Welcome to having an early career.
I was an engineer in my 20s and this was our life. Get up, go to work, work all day, work late, pick up some fast food on the way home, go to bed, do it all over again. Sometimes we'd get together on weekends when we weren't catching up on sleep but we were already spending every waking hour together so while my colleagues were nice people, the lack of variety was as stale as my diet.
There are occasions when this kind of isolation is inevitable but designing widgets or entertaining crowds aren't solid justifications. Society is stupid.
December 23rd, 2019 at 8:23 PM ^
I just walked on a job where I was told I need to be working a minimum of 60-64 hours per week, from home if need be.
That weekly schedule wasn't mentioned in the initial interviews.
Life's too short.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:50 PM ^
Learn to play a musical instrument...you will never be lonely.
December 23rd, 2019 at 1:48 PM ^
I'm past-40, so I'm kind of old now. But looking back, the loneliest time of my life --- and I've had a few other peers tell me the same thing --- was that transition time in the first year post-college.
For one's ENTIRE life, up until that moment, there were always some combination of family, classmates & teammates (for athletes) around. There were always some other folk who were at basically the same point of life, trying to figure it all out as you were.
Then, after college that stops. College friends scatter about. New co-workers aren't necessarily at the same point of life, and they have their own stuff going on. Organized sports generally ends too. Perhaps there is a Tuesday night kickball league but it's not even close to the same.
Simultaneously, the responsibilities also increase by a factor of 100x (vs the carefree college days).
Within a year, you figure it out and reach a new "equilibrium point." But it's a process to get there, and often a lonely process.
December 23rd, 2019 at 8:54 PM ^
I'm past-40, so I'm kind of old now.
No, you're not.
You'd be surprised what you can still accomplish physically. Yes, I know finding the time for the gym is a huge challenge. My experience it that it's well worth it.
December 24th, 2019 at 1:31 PM ^
Same here.
You go from an environment where you literally have tens of thousands of people of people your age around you and the countless social opportunities that go with it. As well as a lifestyle where, to some extent at least, you can control your own schedule.
Then you enter the real world where finding those kinds of social opportunities are extremely hard and where you’re told to be at work for a certain number of hours a week.
December 23rd, 2019 at 2:51 PM ^
It's so hard making all this money
so so hard
December 23rd, 2019 at 5:06 PM ^
When you are a famous pro athlete with money, it adds even more to the loneliness. You don't know who you can trust, and who is latching on just to grab a piece of your fame, and perhaps your money.
That's why a lot of these guys have a posse that consists of the guys they grew up with, that they know well. Importing your old posse eats up a lot of money though . . .
December 23rd, 2019 at 6:04 PM ^
I read this last week.
If when you are alone you are bored and lonely you are in bad company.
December 23rd, 2019 at 6:07 PM ^
Such an interesting topic, featuring interviews from three players, and it's what a 2 minute read? 3 minutes?
WTF happened to journalism. I got to the end and I was like "that's it?" Why not go into the routines/hobbies that the veteran talked about? Why not dig into how/if this is addressed in the NFL rooking orientation thing? Why not just go into more detail with your three interviewees? What about digging into some situations where this lonliness had serious consequences (I'm sure there's plenty of examples).
December 23rd, 2019 at 7:29 PM ^
I can relate to this.
And Winovich continues to come across as a really excellent kid (man?) and a wonderful representative of Michigan.
December 23rd, 2019 at 9:25 PM ^
I have been retired from the Michigan State Police for 23 years and not a day goes by I don’t think of a few guys I worked with. We were so close because of the job. Probably couldn’t have made it for 25 years without them. Someone posted above about feeling important to other people. So true. Life is too short not embrace those around you.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:58 PM ^
OMG, I’m Soooooooooo lonely...?