Why are ticket providers giving Media info?
Seems to me if I buy something from a business, that’s between me and the business, even if that’s another school’s ticket office or StubHub, etc.
Why are these ticket offices, including apparently the SEC title game, freely providing this info to the Media?
Based on this precedent the Media can publish names of every sports fan who buys tickets at multiple venues across the country, if it makes for a story? Something’s not right about that.
Hope Sparty doesn’t rat me out for buying a foursome to see last week’s mauling.
October 25th, 2023 at 12:09 AM ^
Probably in the 8 pages of fine print that nobody reads.
October 25th, 2023 at 5:57 AM ^
That explains all the additional fees no one can figure out
October 25th, 2023 at 12:18 AM ^
It is expected that companies will cooperate with law enforcement whenever serious crimes have been committed in the interest of public safety and to bring the perpetrators to justice. Apple and others have been required to comply with state and federal official in cases like planned terror attacks or drug deals of a certain volume.
In this instance I believe they are supporting the investigation by the NCAA as formal complaints have been made that Michigan, with their sophisticated and malicious attempts to steal signs, is tantamount to attempted murder to Ryan Days’ Just For Men Beard and Mustache budget.
October 25th, 2023 at 12:21 AM ^
I mean those companies comply because it's the government coming at them, this is the NCAA that has 0 subpoena power. I would think there's a lawsuit here for Stalions no? Leaked private info?
October 25th, 2023 at 12:30 AM ^
This sounds like a leak from the ticket offices directly to the media. Why cooperate with Media?
October 25th, 2023 at 12:36 AM ^
If the tickets are bought through 3rd party apps like StubHub as they stated the ticket office wouldn't know.
October 25th, 2023 at 1:05 AM ^
My main question: is why didn’t these so-called reporters research to include the name of the university? They can serve you a half-baked cake and tell you it’s edible because it goes viral quickly. And the NCAA and University know that and exploit it.
October 25th, 2023 at 9:41 AM ^
I don't believe this is the case.
October 25th, 2023 at 7:55 PM ^
And if I'm going to trust anybody on a matter involving leaks, its Clarence Beeks.
October 25th, 2023 at 8:24 AM ^
It doesn't matter who at the ticket office did it. It is under the athletic departments control unless they have an institutional loss of same which would be unfortunate in review.
I would also depose all possible conspiratorial parties in this vast network for under oath testimony in the defamation case. I would naturally, as a member in good standing (and falsely accused), forward my findings to the appropriate NCAA dogged investigators for ensuing years of character muckraking.
Wouldn't want a bad example for the impressionable students the NCAA represents. Diligent release to sacrosanct news organizations should finish the job and put a bow on it.
October 25th, 2023 at 12:30 AM ^
Most companies like Apple try to resist government efforts to collect evidence because they want to protect your privacy. The idea that ticket companies freely give it up with no subpoena is definitely wrong.
October 25th, 2023 at 6:52 AM ^
This isn't quite accurate. Apple and others generally do provide information to law enforcement. Apple is notable in that it collects less data than others and it refuses to break encryption on behalf of the government.
However in this case I suspect the ticket data is coming from the school. The school probably has general data (name, ticket scan metadata) but not complete data (payment info, etc.). They have competitive motivation to release this data to a friendly media member.
October 25th, 2023 at 8:12 AM ^
NCAA. Not government. Not law enforcement.
October 25th, 2023 at 5:00 AM ^
it’s in the ticket companies’ best interest to cooperate with the ncaa. obviously.
October 25th, 2023 at 7:13 AM ^
Yeah, the NCAA is just some private organization - it's why they are so often ineffective investigating wrongdoing because people decide not to help them out. It's also why I'm amazed they did so little with the info they got from the FBI regarding the various basketball teams some years ago. That's way more info than they can even hope to get just by asking.
October 25th, 2023 at 8:49 AM ^
I wish one - just 1 - of these talking heads would admit that sign stealing is perfectly legal. Because, of course, they'd have to follow that up with the real gist of this complaint - your scouting department is better than mine.
That's all this boils down to - Michigan's scouts may have been better at determining your game plan than your scouts were at figuring out ours.
Your scouts are better than mine, and I don't like it. So WAAHHHHH...
October 25th, 2023 at 12:31 AM ^
Here's from ticktmaster, since it was easy to search.
"You agree that the event for which you purchase tickets is a public event, that your appearance and actions inside and outside the venue where the event occurs are public in nature, and that you have no expectation of privacy with regard to your actions or conduct at the event. You grant permission to us and the Event Provider(s) to utilize your name, image, likeness, acts, poses, plays, appearance, movements, and statements in any live or recorded audio, video, or photographic display or other transmission, exhibition, publication or reproduction made of, or at, the event (regardless of whether before, during or after play or performance) for any purpose, in any manner, in any medium or context now known or hereafter developed, without further authorization from, or compensation to, you or anyone acting on your behalf."
October 25th, 2023 at 12:44 AM ^
That doesn’t say, we’ll give your info to Pete Thamel should he call.
October 25th, 2023 at 12:49 AM ^
I swear I saw Pete's name in there somewhere. But, honestly, they put so much fine print with contractual agreement implications if you purchase a ticket. It'd be hard to sue for invasion of privacy or a libelous claim.
October 25th, 2023 at 12:57 AM ^
LOL. Were you born yesterday?
This literally applies to everything that requires your signature.
October 25th, 2023 at 1:43 AM ^
I'm not the OP, I completely understand the implications.
October 25th, 2023 at 1:00 AM ^
The Universities get the info too, that’s where this is coming from. The TOS on the site say they collect your info and share it with the “event sponsor” or “event location” or something similar. That’s the Universities (usually athletic department in charge of ticketing).
October 25th, 2023 at 6:11 AM ^
Exactly. Which is also why if UM has a spine they have someone cross referencing every staff member of every B1G school against our database.
October 25th, 2023 at 7:42 AM ^
The names of the OSU “quality control” staffers are known. Easy for B1G schools to run their names through databases.
October 25th, 2023 at 1:00 AM ^
They aren't. The schools (ticket sources) have access to all of the ticket data. They searched their records and leaked the info.
October 25th, 2023 at 1:02 AM ^
Don't. This is a bad look. This is something RCMB would come up with -- "how dare the media catch us?"
If you want to say that it's a silly rule -- fine. If you want to say that it's not technically a violation of the rules -- fine. If you want to say that Michigan doesn't appear to have gained any advantage, and actual football people are all saying 'meh' -- fine. But don't say "waah why did the school ticket office, or Ticketmaster or StubHub or whomever, narc on us?"
October 25th, 2023 at 6:36 AM ^
For the sake of general awareness, this could be a legit problem if the data was regulated like PII, CPNI, etc. If it’s just the buyer’s names then I would assume that list has already been shared or sold a bunch of times unless you opted out of that. And if you opted out then you know it can be shared.
October 25th, 2023 at 7:38 AM ^
Can't speak for OP, but for me when I read these headlines it's not "oh no the media caught us", it's "can we apply whatever techniques were needed to obtain this data to all the low level staffers at the other football programs of note?"
October 25th, 2023 at 1:03 AM ^
Go to bed
October 25th, 2023 at 1:45 AM ^
I'm not saying someone should register on StubHub as Ryan Day, attend a bunch of Big Ten games with their phone out the entire game recording the sideline, email the video to a random OSU staffer, and then leak that to the athletic departments. But that would be something, hypothetically speaking.
October 25th, 2023 at 4:57 AM ^
Better yet, why is a staffer using his own credit card to purchase tickets when I’m sure he realized it was illegal. I mean at least use the name Dirk Diggler and not Connor Stallions for shit sakes.
October 25th, 2023 at 6:16 AM ^
Because he had to use his credit card.
October 25th, 2023 at 6:05 AM ^
Do you think these ticket departments would withhold dirt against Michigan? It’s a feeding frenzy.
October 25th, 2023 at 6:37 AM ^
If this is a legit scheme by the coaches to cheat, or some higher individuals than Connor... How stupid can you be to purchase all these tickets on the same credit card and tie it back to yourself.
October 25th, 2023 at 6:45 AM ^
I am not convinced that info was legit yet. Unless ESPN had the info before the original story broke I don’t know how they could get that much in four days.
October 25th, 2023 at 7:14 AM ^
An insider leaking information or someone from the 'vast network' spilling the beans.
October 25th, 2023 at 7:33 AM ^
Still though. It would take a day to get through to an actual human being at Seat Geek or Stub Hub. And while I’m sure you could get the info from the provider or the athletic office of a school, it would not be at the snap of a finger.
October 25th, 2023 at 7:16 AM ^
Why does everyone need to know where everyone else is at all times? It's so fucking strange to me. Can you even still just walk up to a ticket office, hand over some cash, and receive a ticket? If not, why not? Why do you need to know my name, address, SSN, and sperm count for me to attend a sporting event?
Shit like this makes me want to buy a shack in the woods.
October 25th, 2023 at 7:36 AM ^
Confirmed. At least for a Pine Knob concert. Kids Bop night of with my son. Paid cash at box office for lawn tickets and it required no info and were not any fees.
Edit - I did have to give my email address because their are no paper tickets.
October 25th, 2023 at 8:22 AM ^
But I WANT A PAPER TICKET!
October 25th, 2023 at 9:55 AM ^
Seems like a good reason to have an email address like [email protected]
October 25th, 2023 at 7:50 AM ^
Besides the information from the ticketing agency, how did they get access to stadium security footage?
October 25th, 2023 at 8:02 AM ^
Once again, highly skeptical of the info until I see it. And finding two empty seats in Ohio Stadium via video? Those folks stand up the whole game. They did not say the tickets were unused, the said the seats were empty. Just does not sound legit.
October 25th, 2023 at 7:54 AM ^
This is why I legally changed my name to John Doe.
October 25th, 2023 at 7:55 AM ^
The Terms Of Service do state essentially that the fact that you purchased a ticket to a given event is shared with the team / sponsor / etc... so it is fairly straightforward in that respect. Of course, then that makes me wonder if they would pour through our own copies to find, shall we say, certain employees of other schools at our own games, because if I were in the athletic department, I would be taking advantage of every public employee database I could get into at the moment.
October 25th, 2023 at 8:11 AM ^
Egregious violation of ticket vendor-ticket buyer privilege.
October 25th, 2023 at 8:27 AM ^
Contrary to what coach Beard Dye says, it’s Michigan versus the World
October 25th, 2023 at 8:39 AM ^
its always been Michigan vs the world....
and we're tough!
October 25th, 2023 at 8:42 AM ^
From my understanding it was the schools that released that information about the tickets to the media to give context to the probably pixelated surveillance footage showing people sitting in the seats for the tickets Connor Stalions bought as some kind of deep throat smoking gun.
October 25th, 2023 at 8:43 AM ^
I think it's funny people still think they have any privacy rights.