Where will Michigan be ranked in the first CFP rankings?

Submitted by The Baughz on October 30th, 2018 at 10:54 AM

Tonight is the unveiling of the first CFP rankings on ESPN at 7. So where do you think Michigan ends up? Do they stay at 5? Does UGA jump them? 

Also, who is your top 10?

My prediction:

Bama, Clemson, ND, LSU, UM, UGA, Oklahoma, OSU, Wazzou, UCF.

Do not want to put OSU there but think the committee will.

What say you?

ijohnb

October 30th, 2018 at 10:59 AM ^

I think we should be 4 but will be 5, with a slight chance of 6. 

I also think that ND should be ranked ahead of Clemson.

Arb lover

October 30th, 2018 at 11:11 AM ^

The ND clemson comparison is interesting as based on the criteria the committee looks at, the two schools are nearly identical, 8-0, 6 wins vs P5  opponents, 3 wins vs quality teams with winning records*,  P5 opponents with winning records of .60 and .58, but differ only on P5 score difference, with clemson at 2.97 vs 1.77 for ND. However that 32 point spread points gained and 13 point spread points given can be explained by the fact that Clemson has played no top caliber teams, having played FSU instead of Michigan as its statement win. Also of note they both have close wins vs not great opponents, but the committee doesn't appear to break that out in itself, outside of "full body of work" through the score difference vs P5 teams. 

Long story short don't be surprised if Clemson comes out on top of ND given the point spread is the only one of their major metrics that separates the two teams.

*(the committee may actually look at teams with .500 rather than >.500 records but they haven't been consistent)

Arb lover

October 30th, 2018 at 11:02 AM ^

I wrote up a little diary about the composition of the committee as well as what they look for, and then compiled the data on those metrics into a chart here if you want more substance

We are probably 4th or 5th behind LSU but a very close 5th given our quality loss, P5 opponent record, record against quality teams, and score against quality teams. 

Caesar

October 30th, 2018 at 11:05 AM ^

I'm thinking 6th behind 'Bama, Clemson, ND, LSU, and UGA,though I could see 5th. The SEC will sort itself out, and Michigan will be fine if the team keeps winning. 

I'm concerned about a situation where 'Bama loses to LSU, however.

1464

October 30th, 2018 at 11:31 AM ^

I disagree.  They're not taking Bama over Michigan if Bama doesn't even make it to the SEC championship and Michigan wins out.  Not even the slightest chance.  And if LSU and Georgia play, one of them leaves with two losses.  I don't think we really care about Bama vs LSU.  In fact, I would be more concerned about Bama winning and then losing their championship game.  If anything, we should root for LSU.

Newton Gimmick

October 30th, 2018 at 1:22 PM ^

You are assuming, even if LSU miraculously beats Alabama, that they won't lose @ A&M later on.

But then, even if LSU somehow won the West, then Alabama would be left with zero wins of note. Their sheen of invincibility would be long gone, and Michigan would have just beaten a bunch of quality teams away from home, along with a 12-1 record and conference championship.  I just don't see it, but go ahead and worry about it if you must.

ijohnb

October 30th, 2018 at 1:47 PM ^

I don't understand why every says "worry" or "stress" about it.  If we went to and played in the Rose Bowl I would be completely cool with it.  I am not worried about it.  I just think that people who are telling themselves the CPF is a 100% sure thing if we win out aren't really looking at things clearly.  I think that is obviously an incorrect assessment.

WolverineHistorian

October 30th, 2018 at 2:02 PM ^

Alabama had zero wins of note last year unless you want to count Mississippi State (9-4) and LSU, who lost at home to Troy.  Bama didn't win the SEC.  Didn't make a difference. 

Alabama is going to the playoff regardless of what happens this weekend.  And people like me, who are so damn sick and burned out on them winning it every damn year, are forced to root for them against LSU, just to eliminate the Tigers. 

Needs

October 30th, 2018 at 2:27 PM ^

They were competing against 1) teams that had an extra loss or 2) teams with the same record that weren't conference champions.

Alabama was 11-1, OSU was 11-2, USC was 11-2, and Wisconsin was 12-1, but lost in the Big 10 championship. If Wisconsin had defeated OSU, Alabama wasn't going. And they won't get in this year if the same scenario exists and there's a 1 loss Big Ten or Big 12 champion.

mfan_in_ohio

October 30th, 2018 at 2:33 PM ^

While it's true that Alabama's wins weren't great, who would you have put in their place?  Not two-loss OSU, that got crushed by both Oklahoma (at home) and Iowa.  Not 3-loss Auburn, that lost the SEC championship.  There just weren't any deserving conference champion candidates.  Not the 1-loss Wisconsin team that just lost in the B1G championship.  Alabama got in in 2017 for the same reason OSU got in in 2016: their better record and lack of bad losses outweighed another team's conference championship.

That wouldn't happen for a 12-1 Michigan team, with 3-4 wins over ranked teams and only one road loss to another CFP participant.  That resume is an order of magnitude better than any of last year's snubbed contenders.  

raleighwood

October 30th, 2018 at 11:35 AM ^

I don't think so.  I can't imagine that the CFP would consist of Clemson (13-0), ND (12-0), LSU or UGA (12-1) and Bama (11-1).....that didn't even win their division.  

Yes, I realize that it's happened before.  However, this scenario leaves out the Pac 12, Big 12 and B1G.  If 60% of your pool isn't invited to the party....the party won't go so well.  The committee would be faced with a huge dilemma (because everyone believes that Bama is a Top 4 team) but I just don't think that they could let them in at the risk of alienating over half of the conferences.  Particularly if you have multiple 12-1 conference champs in the mix (Michigan, Oklahoma....and OSU or Washington State to a lesser extent).

BTW.....I think that the OP's ranking is spot on for tonight.

 

GoBlueInNYC

October 30th, 2018 at 11:40 AM ^

OU is the team I'm most worried about jumping Michigan in the event that both win out and win their conferences.

That said, OU has zero top 25 wins (as of now, they have only two ranked opponents on their schedule: their loss to Texas and their upcoming game against WVU). In this situation, Michigan would have the better resume (more top 25 wins, better loss), but I'm still a little worried.

Newton Gimmick

October 30th, 2018 at 1:34 PM ^

OU's best win is ... @ Iowa St?  Sure, they still have @WV, but we have @OSU.

The other part is that Oklahoma has been in the playoff 2 of the past 3 years (and 0-2 thus far because they can't stop anyone).  Whereas Michigan/Harbaugh has yet to make the playoff and will be a ratings monster.  If the two schools are close, I think Michigan gets the nod.

Needs

October 30th, 2018 at 2:37 PM ^

fivethirtyeight's predictor has OU beating out Michigan in the "5 eligible teams" scenario. I'm not sure why, maybe it's that they're guaranteed a rematch against either Texas or WV if they make the Big 12 championship game while our best case scenario is a 2 loss Iowa? (though I guess either of those teams would have at least 2 losses as well)

Perkis-Size Me

October 30th, 2018 at 11:07 AM ^

I agree with your top 4, but am flip flopping between UM and UGa at the 5 and 6 slots. 

Georgia has the better win so far, but our loss is far better looking and to a higher ranked team.

My guess is we’ll be five, but by the slimmest of margins.  

Brhino

October 30th, 2018 at 11:21 AM ^

Somebody a few days ago mentioned that if we scheduled Akron instead of Notre Dame, we'd be undefeated and #4 right now.

Take it a step further - if Notre Dame played a patsy for the first game instead of us, where would THEY be ranked? ND vs. Stanford looked like a big win at the time but Stanford's 5-3 now.  Virginia Tech is 4-3.  And those are their best wins apart form us.

ak47

October 30th, 2018 at 11:46 AM ^

But there was upside for Michigan too. Let’s say Michigan beat ND but lost to northwestern. That win over Nd would allow Michigan to win a comparison with a 1 loss Oklahoma for the last spot. But if Michigan has a loss to northwestern (or Indiana or any other mid level big ten team) and the non conference is Akron, smu, and western we are in the same situation as Washington state is which is knowing that even being a 1 loss champ means you need help to get in. 

Scheduling a hard game gives you a potential buffer win against an upset and the cost is a loss that won’t knock you out.

DCmissingAnnArbor

October 30th, 2018 at 11:23 AM ^

I agree with the sentiment that we SHOULD be in if we win out... but in reality, there is a scenario that could block us: if LSU beats Alabama on Saturday, and then LSU, Alabama, Notre Dame, and Clemson all win out, it is anybody's guess what would happen... I believe it would come down to us vs. a 1-loss Alabama, and most everyone would agree 'Bama is probably the best team in the country and couldn't be left out... so that is my danger scenario. So I am in the uncomfortable position of routing for Alabama this weekend, and if they do lose, we might need them to lose twice. A 1-loss Alabama could spell trouble for a 1-loss Michigan team.

MGoFunkadelic

October 30th, 2018 at 11:28 AM ^

i think Michigan will get screwed. 

should probably be 4th or 5th but think Michigan will get screwed because the Big10 is not as good this year.   i'm expecting a 6 but could see them dropping Oklahoma ahead of Michigan because they have a more exciting offense so possibly as low as 7.

once LSU loses to Alabama then MIchigan should jump up but don't see the playoff spot coming up until Michigan wins out.   maybe final ballot or the one just before the final rankings will see Michigan in the 4 spot.

1VaBlue1

October 30th, 2018 at 12:28 PM ^

I don't think UM will be actively screwed by the committee.  I base this on 2016 - I thought they did everything they could do to position Michigan to get in if the cards fell right.  That they didn't fall right is not the committee's fault.  I trust them to make the right calls - they have pretty much since 2014.

Leaders And Best

October 30th, 2018 at 11:28 AM ^

Michigan will be #5 or possibly #6 if Oklahoma slips ahead of them. The top 4 will be Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, and LSU. But does it really matter? This weekend has some of the best games of the year, and the rankings are going to change dramatically next week because of it.
 

Alabama @ LSU

PSU @ Michigan

Notre Dame @ Northwestern

Georgia @ Kentucky

West Virginia @ Texas

Oklahoma @ Texas Tech

Iowa @ Purdue

even Temple @ UCF is a sneaky good game for Group of Five on Thursday night.

 

Stanford @ Washington and Texas A&M @ Auburn didn't even make my list that is how loaded this weekend is.

O S Who

October 30th, 2018 at 11:32 AM ^

I just hope we win out, bama wins out, and notre dame wins out. That is best case scenario for us, regardless of rankings.

What if alabama loses 1 game (to LSU or Georgia), and GA/LSU wins out? If the game was close, who goes to the playoff? My guess is it would be a tough call for the committee between us and Bama. 

Also, what if notre dame loses? They might not put us in over notre dame because we would both be a 1 loss team and ND beat us. They put OSU in over PSU but PSU had 2 losses

ijohnb

October 30th, 2018 at 11:37 AM ^

If the question was between a one loss ND and a one loss Michigan, Michigan would get in it over ND.  Their win over us was the first game of the season, and they basically won the first quarter and nothing else.  Particularly if ND loses to NW (really the only game I see them with a chance at losing), the committee could use the Michigan win over NW later in the season, and likely a second one against them in the BIG title game to distinguish the teams now.

To me, the two SEC team scenario is the troubling one.  I don't even think Oklahoma is that big of an issue because I think they will lose again.

There is a lot of football to be played though.  Michigan just needs to win. 

StephenRKass

October 30th, 2018 at 11:33 AM ^

LSU won't be there for long. And Georgia won't beat Bama in the SEC championship game, so they're gone too. TOSU should definitely lose another game or two, including Michigan. Oklahoma is the only one I could see being rated higher. And they've got a couple games that will be tough.

But the honest truth is, Michigan needs to take care of business and not worry about what any other teams do.